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[Straker]

While I dislike the idea of 3pv in principle. I sort of understand the feeling that it helps new players. So here is a thought.

Link it's use to a module, call it overhead drone or whatever. Make the module free as part of the tutorial. Because new players don't have the xp or cbills to get modules, they can use it fine. However, advanced players would need to not use another module. Which from what I am hearing is probably not worth it. Keep the current features on test the same.

[Cherry Darling]

I think a lot of people misunderstand how this is going to work.

There are going to be TWO separate queues; one that has 3PV and 1PV enabled. And then there's going to be another queue for 1PV only. If anyone doesn't like the advantages afforded by having access to 3PV, then they should play in the 1PV queue.

Here's a thread on the topic:

http://mwomercs.com/...hardcore-modes/

Edited by Cherry Darling, 02 August 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[Zack Esseth]

Why split the ques. It takes long enough sometimes just to pug at the right time of day. And if it is to be a learning tool for new pilots, why not make it a module and put it on all the trial mechs and still drop them with everyone else. As a module you can maintain having a large pool to pick players from to pit against one another and not just get ROFLSTOMPED cause you want use 1pv without only getting pitted against the ultra hardcore, or from cheesy players just wanting a complete edge over the others with hill and corner peaking. You will have to give up a useful module slot for it as compromise to getting the view.

Also to top it off, I think you should be able to shoot down the camera if someone pokes it into view.

[Corvus Antaka]

I so agree with this. something that lasts maybe 30 seconds, 1 shot only, great for checking your mech out, a little scouting ability, like a 3PV UAV.

[Bhael Fire]

Zack Esseth, on 02 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Why split the ques. It takes long enough sometimes just to pug at the right time of day.

It's the price for implementing 3PV. PGI is smart enough to know they'll lose a HUGE portion of their players if they force skilled players to play in dumbed down matches with 3PV enabled. That's a fact that there's no way around.

That is why there's going to be a Hardcore mode for 1PV only (it's already in the public test, just disabled).

Edited by Bhael Fire, 02 August 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Straker]

I fully understand how it will work with the seperate ques. I just think it is a bad idea to try and segregate the player base. The whole point of 3pv was presented initially to help new players and for the small minority of others who want to use it.

From what Is being seen on test server, there is a small advantage from 3pv of being able to see around stuff. Yet what do most modules do? They give you a small advantage.

It just seems perfect to implement this exactly like it is on test, but make it a module. It should be a free module that everybody gets so new players (who 3pv) is for don't need to grind for it. It should also be on all trial mechs. Regular players will have the option to use it, but they will need to give up a different module to do so.

[Bhael Fire]

Straker, on 02 August 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

I just think it is a bad idea to try and segregate the player base.

I do too, but if they have to implement 3PV it's the only way they can without losing the majority of their players. That's why I offered up some suggestions to balance these two queues to make them both appealing for all players so that there's at least an equal amount of players in both queues at any given time.

It beats the alternatives (e.g., one queue goes extinct, 3PV is gimped to point of being useless, veterans are forced to play in matches with 3PV enabled, etc.)

[Appogee]

It's clear to me from reading their posts they will introduce it initially as a second queue, then within weeks recombine the queues.

Look at their (very carefully worded) statements. They only commit to introducing it as a separate queue. They have convinced themselves that 1PV fans won't be too bothered by it after a while.

[Bhael Fire]

Appogee, on 02 August 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

It's clear to me from reading their posts they will introduce it initially as a second queue, then within weeks recombine the queues.

Look at their (very carefully worded) statements. They only commit to introducing it as a separate queue. They have convinced themselves that 1PV fans won't be too bothered by it after a while.

No. Have you played in the public test? There's a separate queue listed as Hardcore (for each game mode).

Like it or not, there's going to be two "difficulty" settings for the game: Standard ("easy") and Hardcore. 3PV will be available only in Standard mode.

[Appogee]

Bhael Fire, on 02 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

No. Have you played in the public test? There's a separate queue listed as Hardcore (for each game mode).

Yes. And I'm predicting that separate queue will be removed sometime after the new UI is launched, and the queues recombined.

Excuses will be given, and one of them will be ''we only ever said we would 'introduce' 3PV as a separate queue''.

Edited by Appogee, 02 August 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[Bhael Fire]

Appogee, on 02 August 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Yes. And I'm predicting that separate queue will be removed sometime after the new UI is launched, and the queues recombined.

Excuses will be given, and one of them will be ''we only ever said we would 'introduce' 3PV as a separate queue''.

From Bryan:

• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

[Appogee]

Bhael Fire, on 02 August 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

From Bryan:

• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Thanks I have bookmarked that quote. Hopefully it will not join the ranks of PGI's other broken commitments on 3PV.

[Bhael Fire]

I'm with you there. They are treading on dangerous ground right now.

If they do this correctly, it could work out for everyone. Let's just hope they do.

Edited by Bhael Fire, 02 August 2013 - 08:05 PM.

[Straker]

I truly dislike that their will be longer ques due to this. Yes nobody will be "forced" to play against people with 3pv, but that is easily circumvented by saying nobody is "forced" to play the game. By doing it as a module, it circumvent a lot of arguements against it.

Edited by Straker, 03 August 2013 - 11:14 PM.

[Straker]

I wonder if they ever considered making it a free module that comes stock on trial mechs.

[Cherry Darling]

Straker, on 03 August 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

I wonder if they ever considered making it a free module that comes stock on trial mechs.

Split queues are happening. Sorry it's sad but true.

Denial is the first stage...

[Straker]

I am not denying that split queues are happening. I'm just pretty sure that eventually they will need to be merged somehow, for example when CW comes out. This is a step towards solving that problem.

[VasilyZaitsev]

A free module is a perfect idea. That's -1 to any advantage it could give.

[Jungle Rhino]

Bhael Fire, on 02 August 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

From Bryan:

• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Is that the same Bryan who told us that 3PV would never be in the game period? Or that coolant flush would never been in the game because it breaks heat mechanics?

There will be no seperate queues - if there are they will be temporary and disappear at some point in the not too distant future

[Straker]

Resurrecting this old post, because as I thought seperate question did not happen.

I really think that the minor advantage that 3pv can give is less then other modules such as seismic. Make this module free to all, and stock in trial mechs and a lot of the complaints will go away. Call it a camera drone.