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[GMAK]

I got none when I look. Is it the engine? A bug?

thanks.

Edited by Mak54291, 24 August 2013 - 04:47 AM.

[Zullo]

No bro, it is not a bug.
Your engine comes with some heatsinks and some engines (ie: std 280 engine) have extra slots for more heatsinks.

[scJazz]

All mechs with a engine rating of 250 or more get 10 "free" heat sinks contained in the engine. No tonnage is required for them. Engines higher than 250 are able to place extra heat sinks in the engine as well though you do need to spend tonnage. You get one free slot for every 25 engine rating so 275 (1), 300 (2), 325 (3), etc. Engines under 250 require spending tonnage and must place Heat Sinks in Crit slots. So 225-245 engines require 1 additional ton for a heat sink and must place that heat sink in Crit slots.

[GMAK]

I see

[EyeDie I]

you can upgrade those 10s to 10 double and not add weight and double their efficiency, but doubles not in your enginge are really 1.4 efficiency.

[Corison]

scJazz, on 24 August 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

All mechs with a engine rating of 250 or more get 10 "free" heat sinks contained in the engine. No tonnage is required for them. Engines higher than 250 are able to place extra heat sinks in the engine as well though you do need to spend tonnage. You get one free slot for every 25 engine rating so 275 (1), 300 (2), 325 (3), etc. Engines under 250 require spending tonnage and must place Heat Sinks in Crit slots. So 225-245 engines require 1 additional ton for a heat sink and must place that heat sink in Crit slots.

Minor clarification, you don't spend any "extra" tonnage for heat sinks outside of the engine. Their weight is deducted from the base weight of the engine. So engines under 250 will be lighter than they should be.. For example a 225 is 1 ton lighter than normal, because you have to place one external heat sink.

[scJazz]

Corison, on 24 August 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Minor clarification, you don't spend any "extra" tonnage for heat sinks outside of the engine. Their weight is deducted from the base weight of the engine. So engines under 250 will be lighter than they should be.. For example a 225 is 1 ton lighter than normal, because you have to place one external heat sink.

But you do spend extra tonnage!

In a MWO to TT comparison accounting for the Cockpit and Gyro and Heat Sink weight they are equal. The engine is the same weight as you'd expect.
Still in MWO you do have to spend a ton to add a heatsink, or two, etc for each 25 engine rating under 250.

While correct Corison you did insert unneeded complexity.

[Grrzoot]

Corison, on 24 August 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Minor clarification, you don't spend any "extra" tonnage for heat sinks outside of the engine. Their weight is deducted from the base weight of the engine. So engines under 250 will be lighter than they should be.. For example a 225 is 1 ton lighter than normal, because you have to place one external heat sink.

This is actually incorrect according to the wiki and what notes i can find. The engines are not lighter, you have to spend the extra tonnage in heat sinks i.e. a std 200 is 11.5t but you have to spend 13.5t to make it usable. by contrast a std 225 is 15t (3.5 tons heavier than the 200) and you still have to add a heatsink for a total of 16 tons. Each .5 pt of rating (205,210,etc) costs you .5 tons for standard engine no matter how many heatsinks it can hold.

[scJazz]

Grrzoot, on 24 August 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

This is actually incorrect according to the wiki and what notes i can find. The engines are not lighter, you have to spend the extra tonnage in heat sinks i.e. a std 200 is 11.5t but you have to spend 13.5t to make it usable. by contrast a std 225 is 15t (3.5 tons heavier than the 200) and you still have to add a heatsink for a total of 16 tons. Each .5 pt of rating (205,210,etc) costs you .5 tons for standard engine no matter how many heatsinks it can hold.

***FACEPALM***

In the interest of clarifying things the last 2 posts have muddled things up!

I'll try to un-**** stuff now!

In BattleTech Table Top rules the Standard 200 engine weighs 8.5 tons. In order to build any mech you also need a Cockpit which weighs 3 tons. With a 200 rated engine you need a Gyro weighing Engine/100 rounded up tons or in this case 2. If we add all these things up we get a total of...

8.5+3+2 = 13.5

In MWO the weight of the Cockpit and Gyro is added into the weight cost of every engine. That way new players don't have to add those things while building since AT THIS POINT IN THE TIMELINE we don't have light weight Gyros or Small Cockpits. However, since it was also noted by a very large number of players we also don't want Atlai with 100 or 200 rate engines (or other equally gamey designs) roaming around using similar rules to TT (not the same but similar) all mechs using Engines under 250 must account for Heat Sinks in WEIGHT and on the CRIT LOCATIONS!

This means the Standard 200 Engine in MWO weighs 11.5 tons! TT Rules 8.5 + 2 Gyro + 3 Cockpit - 2 HS. Then the 2 missing heat sinks must be added back and placed on the Crit Table in MWO! Thus bringing us back to the 13.5 tons all this would have required in TT rules to begin with and forcing people who need to de-clarify the clarifications to write a WOT.

In other words... my answer was right and we didn't really need the last few posts to confuse Mak who never played TT at all.

TYVM for playing

EDIT: I would however like to thank everyone for getting me closer to 1000 posts

Edited by scJazz, 24 August 2013 - 03:19 PM.

[LauLiao]

scJazz, on 24 August 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

***FACEPALM***

In the interest of clarifying things the last 2 posts have muddled things up!

I'll try to un-**** stuff now!

Actually, since this isn't actually relevant to MWO nor does it answer the OP's question, you are, in fact, "muddling" things up further, but "Thank you for playing"

[scJazz]

LauLiao, on 24 August 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Actually, since this isn't actually relevant to MWO nor does it answer the OP's question, you are, in fact, "muddling" things up further, but "Thank you for playing"

Yeah except I answered the question at post #3 and then Corison and then Grrzoot and now you added unnecessary complication.

Thanks for playing AND READING THE WHOLE THREAD

[LauLiao]

This isn't a thread, it's an e-peen, "I know more about TT than you" arguement.

[Grrzoot]

yeah sry, i just meant to say you didn't need to think of it that way. Just realize you need to add heatsinks if under a 250 engine rating.

[101011]

Now I have to wonder what an Atlas would look like with a STD-100 engine...

[Corison]

101011, on 24 August 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Now I have to wonder what an Atlas would look like with a STD-100 engine...

A fixed weapons emplacement that is slowly falling over, and has two hamsters helping it turn.

[Hammerfinn]

To finalize the clarification:

ScJazz is right, he just put a little bit TMI for non TTers in.

At the engine rating of 250, there are ten, automatically counted and weighted, heat sinks. Below this rating, for every 25 lower in rating, you will be required to add one outside heatsink. The outside heatsinks do have weight and are not accounted for in the engine weight.