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[Kattspya]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Yeah, did you even read the reasoning behind 3PV? It was in the design tanks much longer than people thought. The purpose of this beta to test. We guinea pigs that are asked to test features whether they work or not. In this case I do agree that 3PV is something that should only be used in a tutorial.

Am I going to ask for a refund and blatantly spit in the face of PGI by saying they are liars and are incompetent? No.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. Not a single thing they say ever unless it is in a legally binding contract is prone to consumer suits.

When League of Legends cancels a champion are you allowed to pull for a refund on every penny you spent?

If you want to remove a feature then add simple, objective, and constructive criticism. They aren't lying because for them they only say whats on their mind and not what they will decide is best for the game. In this case the dev team found that 3PV was important enough to be developed. I won't be happy until they either remove it or delegate it to a tutorial only feature. I will not act like a spoiled angry child.

The purpose is evidently not to test. The 3pv that went live incorporated none of the feedback given from the test server run. It was unchanged.

There are so many features that haven't been changed from feedback given before or after implementation that one must conclude pgi cares or understands little. They are indeed incompetent.

[Ravensshadow]

Xendojo, on 27 August 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Correct to a point.

PGI understands that if they enabled hardcore now, nobody would be playing anything else. Kind of makes a point in and of itself.

This *feature* is so unwanted and unnecessary that if they did not force us to play with it it would go entirely unused, except for people who wish to abuse it for advantage.

But please stop with the 3PV discussion, there are enough threads for that already.

They have stated that if they allowed 1pv it would split the community and in thier eyes hurt it. There was alos the implication they have no intention on honoring thier word and not having us be forced to play against 3pv exploiters.

Edited by Ravensshadow, 27 August 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Ravensshadow]

Tichorius Davion, on 27 August 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

If I remember correctly the only reason why there aren't separate queues is because they wish to TEST, reason why we are here, the effect of 3PV.

Did anyone else even bother too look at the game modes to see Hardcore mode?

Nope.. You are remembering wrong......

They have stated they that if they implimented 3pv it would split the community and it would hurt the game more than going back on their word to the mwo community.. he talks about it in one of the sections were we cannot post... command chair i think tho i could be wrong.

[Kattspya]

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

They have stated that if they allowed 1pv it would split the community and in thier eyes hurt it. There was alos the implication they have no intention on honoring thier word and not having us be forced to play against 3pv exploiters.

Bac then more than one person said it was a bad idea to split queues back when they promised to never force 3pv. I think the argument was that everyone would play 1pv anyway, queue times would suffer and that the time not spent might be more profitably employed elsewhere.

I know who came closer to reality.

[Ravensshadow]

Kattspya, on 27 August 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Bac then more than one person said it was a bad idea to split queues back when they promised to never force 3pv. I think the argument was that everyone would play 1pv anyway, queue times would suffer and that the time not spent might be more profitably employed elsewhere.

I know who came closer to reality.

I could care less if 3pv ques suffered. It would be their choice to play the game that way. My choice to play only 1pv is not an option because they went back on their word to the community. Now i can say i think my money for founder was wasted because at the time they didnt make that statement..... I do feel that my money for phoenix is wasted and i will probably request a refund for that.... No i lied i do feel my mondy for founder is wasted because the phoenix mechs that will come out are better than the founder one with the loyalt point bonus.... Pgi is starting to build a very big negative reputation with the stunts they are pulling.... and we the vocal ones will spread the word if we are contuinued being ignored.

[DeadlyNerd]

Murilo Specht, on 27 August 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Everytime someone says "it's not about 3pv, it's about the lies", I picture a child banging his head against the wall and crying loudly.

edit: is actually pointed towards everyone defending PGI on this one.

Edited by DeadlyNerd, 27 August 2013 - 11:00 AM.

[Ravensshadow]

OnLashoc, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I think people need to stop with the inflammatory behavior towards PGI and it's staff.

You don't want 3PV, I think they get it. Can you guys be a little more mature and stop attacking their character? I am surprised they haven't been banning people for using their forums and services they provide to bad mouth and spread down right lies about the company and their product. Regardless if you like the product or not, I think there is a more mature and rational way to respectfully disagree with PGI and their products / services they provide us free of charge.

OP i have yet to see you give a single example if where posters have lied.....

Edited by Ravensshadow, 27 August 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Kattspya]

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

I could care less if 3pv ques suffered. It would be their choice to play the game that way. My choice to play only 1pv is not an option because they went back on their word to the community. Now i can say i think my money for founder was wasted because at the time they didnt make that statement..... I do feel that my money for phoenix is wasted and i will probably request a refund for that.... No i lied i do feel my mondy for founder is wasted because the phoenix mechs that will come out are better than the founder one with the loyalt point bonus.... Pgi is starting to build a very big negative reputation with the stunts they are pulling.... and we the vocal ones will spread the word if we are contuinued being ignored.

Sorry, I am unclear even when I'm not typing on a touchscreen. Now at least I have a proper keyboard and fewer excuses.

What I/they meant was that both queues would suffer because the player count is low. Even if only 10% left for 3pv it would still impact the 1pv queue. Which is why no effort should have been spent on 3pv. I very much agree with you, I just added some old recollections for your consideration.

Edited by Kattspya, 27 August 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[Ravensshadow]

Kattspya, on 27 August 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

Sorry, I am unclear even when I'm not typing on a touchscreen. Now at least I have a proper keyboard and fewer excuses.

What I/they meant was that both queues would suffer because the player count is low. Even if only 10% left for 3pv it would still impact the 1pv queue. Which is why no effort should have been spent on 3pv. I very much agree with you, I just added some old recollections for your consideration.

Sir thank you for the clarification...

MY opinion is they are wrong.... 1pv would not suffer in any way.... not in the slightest...

3pv will how ever suffer.... You will have two groups playing, new player (if pgi is correct) and exploiter ganking noobs and wiping them out so quickly they will either quit or swithc to 1pv and learn to play the game properly. Pgi should have use the mmoney they wasted on 3pv and created a proper tutorial teach the basics of mech operation to new players so when they first entered a real match they would be slightly better prepared.

Also a poitn i keep forgetting to make is the o guy in 3pv scouting while not being able to hit while he communicates with the rest of his lance vie chat or even better via vent or ts3 letting them know what is over the ridge or around the corner. While all the enemy sees is a single red dot. If you dont beliver me there is a video here in one of these posts showing exactly that.

[OnLashoc]

Well some of you have proven my point.

The behavior and blatant disrespect of PGI, IGP, Dev Staff, Moderators, other players is just disturbing to think most people here are 20-40+ years of age.

I'm just saying, and for those of you wanting direct quotes, I'll let you read back through 140+ pages and various threads of people being malicious and pick the poison. You can call me what ever you want, but I like MWO and some things I can't stand, some things I think are spot on. The difference is, if I'm not going to play the game, I'll just stop playing the game. If I want a refund of my money (which I've put up as much and more as everyone else here) I'll put in the ticket and be off into the abyss.

You won't see me here posting vulgar insults and spread lies to do as much damage as I can before I go. So fine, you want your money back, you want to uninstall? Buh bye! Why are you still here using their services?

It's called being mature, try it, you might like it. I know I'd sure appreciate it!

[Corvus Antaka]

Taxxian, on 27 August 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

If you didn't attack someone personal and you expressed your opinion in a modest manner thats absolutely fine, and this thread is not about you...

To the lies:

"I will unstall the game..."
"I NEVER EVER pay one dollar again"
"I will buy Hero Mech X immediately once you fix Y ASAP!"
"I will nerver play a PGI game again!"
"Premium time is completely useless now, I will never buy Premium again!"
"By, by the game is over for me!"

You think they ALL really meant and did what they wrote?

+1

If they really meant it, they wouldnt still be here posting

[Jacmac]

OnLashoc, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Can you guys be a little more mature and stop attacking their character?

Yes, you are correct. Going forward I shall endeavor to send praise to liars instead of attacking the character of liars.

[OnLashoc]

No one said you need to praise them.

The best alternative would be to uninstall, and stop posting like a rational thinking adult would do.

[Jacmac]

OnLashoc, on 27 August 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

No one said you need to praise them.

The best alternative would be to uninstall, and stop posting like a rational thinking adult would do.

So who is throwing disrespect around? Not you? Is posting an opinion an irrational act? If I consider other alternatives and continue posting, I'm an irrational, non-thinking human in your opinion?

Edited by Jacmac, 27 August 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Asmosis]

The forums are getting absurd

they need to start locking all those soapbox threads, theres a discussion thread for 3rd person.

[Thermidor]

OnLashoc, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

PGI and their products / services they provide us free of charge.

lol tell that to the many many people that have dumped hundreds into this game only to get sh|t by PGI's lack of communication with the community, turning the game into a grind-or-pay-money-to-have-fun (cbil nerf), complete disregard to testing changes for bugs before releasing it (movement patch, completely broken borderline ret@rded mech designs), etc etc.
and don't give me that "it's a beta" BS.. retreating to the whole beta thing is something that nutthuggers and incompetent developers use as a cop out for going full ret4rd.

The majority of eff ups that PGI is guilty of are development 101 things. PGI's mistakes are the equivalent of a software developer making software designed for a windows platform but the completed product is not compatible with any windows OS, all while being advertised to work on any and all versions of windows.

P.S. being a PGI nutthugger wont get you on the mod list. Stop trying, it's pathetic.