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[Stunner]

Sadly your team is deleted posts of constructive feed back where there is no bashing but only if they disagree when your point on 3pv. I'm also saddened that people that support this game is known as the minority and on an island. I purchased two founders packs and 2 overlord packages plus multiple hero mechs and MC to swap out XP. Am I not the player you want in the game? To unleash your mods to act as the Chinese government to censor everything even when it's civil is just not right. You are now officially killing this game. .

[CarpetShark]

drunkblackstar, on 27 August 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

The only evidence I believe in is my own eyes

Really?

So, since your leg has never been blown off by a landmine and you've never seen someone's leg get blown off by a landmine with your own eyes, no-one's leg has ever been blown off by a landmine?

Because you cannot make a Fabergé Egg and you've never seen someone make a Fabergé Egg with your own eyes, no-one ever made Fabergé Eggs?

I think you might want to rethink your 'logic' there, Bunky.

[Corwin Vickers]

Refund request submitted.

Stupid thing is I didn't need the Overlord pack. I have around 60million cbills, unspent MC, and 28 mechs. I have everything I want.

I bought the Phoenix pack because I wanted to support the game. I bought a founders pack, $99 worth of MC, a Sarah's mech, and the Overlord Phoenix pack. I was not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.

I had also recently recruited 3 new friends after a year and a half of trying to get them to play.

You think they are going to stick around now that PGI has royally pissed me off? Not to mention the friends who have been playing for a while now but who have been following these threads as well.

[Devils Advocate]

Are you seriously suggesting that you guys are doing things for the silent majority? If they're silent how do you know what they want?

Edited by Devils Advocate, 28 August 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[Kyrie]

In my previous post I said I had nothing to add to the discussion, save for praising the awesome comic-pic of the player chasing the CW carrot while the giant PGI guy is doing questionable things with a rocket.... er, anyway.

However, I would like to take this opportunity to offer some serious real-world $$$ advice to PGI. The lack of information on CW to date was the only thing stopping me from buying the top tier phoenix package. This September Creative Update is now the second thing making me quite happy I held back. This has cost you my money for certain, and it is hard to say how many thousands more from this "vocal minority".

In business, mistakes cost money. I am hoping that this will change the way you do business -- honestly, I really would like to give you my money. You are making it difficult...

[vijil]

The "silent majority" will be far better served by Titanfall, Hawken, etc.

MWO is in no state to compete with those short of a ground up rewrite. Going for that market with the current game will be a failure. I'd bet money on it. Perhaps the hardcore market is too small to make a profit - in which case this whole venture was doomed from the start.

Me? I'm not a BT fan. I don't care that much either way about 3pv or how simmy the game is. I do care about devs that don't know how to dev, don't bother with community managers, demonstrably don't understand the core principles of marketing or running a business, and lie repeatedly and then justify it with "that's what we thought at the time" and "you're not our market".

This is just spectacular to watch though. The popcorn... omnom.

If the game is still around in a year then I may give it another go. For now I've uninstalled on principle.

Edited by vijil, 28 August 2013 - 09:44 PM.

[JorDash]

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[color=#CCCCCC]After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention![/color]

How is it even possible to determine that player retention when it's only been a week?

[vijil]

Let's get hypothetical. What if it works? What if PGI are onto something and this makes them wads of cash?

In business this is what we call a "bait and switch". You may have heard of it. Here's how it goes:

The hardcore market stump up the cash for initial development on grand promises of hardcore BT gaming (bait) because they are the easiest to convince to give to a BT project. Good luck kickstarting this with average joes, might as well get the money from the BT fans.

Then, with cash in hand, you make the switch. "Oh, ackchully we're going for the generic action gamer market now, you gais don't matter k". And laugh all the way to the bank.

Ethical? Heck no, even if it wasn't the plan from the start. Financially rewarding? Naturally, scams often are. Next they'll be saying "yeah, that's what we did, but hey guys it's just bizniz!" Just business. Because unethical behaviour is ok when it's just business.

In a perfect world, government regulators would now be called in to shut PGI down. And IGP while they're at it. Yeah, fine, you've got families to feed and yada yada. So does the mafia. That doesn't make it right.

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Turook, on 28 August 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

3pv was put into the game to make things easier for newbs to learn how to torso twist while moving backwards and forwards.
I don't understand why this wasn't confined to the training grounds. Surely some time using 3pv in there is more than adequate to learn how to handle a Mech.

Because the "help new player"-argument is not what PGI really wanted to achieve, but just the lie they told us instead. Basically it seems that PGI just wants to make the game attractive to the 10-year-old-cannot-understand-tank-type-control-concole-era crowd.

The shift away from seperate queues also is a hint for the game developing into this direction.

"Thinking man's shooter" has been dropped a long time ago ..

[Lance425]

JorDash, on 28 August 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

How is it even possible to determine that player retention when it's only been a week?

It's been a week. You are correct in this statement.

Which brings me to my next point. 3pv has been around a week. 1 week. Una semana. Одна неделя. 一週間。 Eine Woche. أسبوع واحد. 一個星期。

If you expected them to have all of the repeated "suggestions" implemented already, then the ignorance I've already spoken of is even more blatantly apparent.

[Sasha Volkova]

Quax1102, on 28 August 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Thanks for not contributing anything useful, but instead insulting everyone. Already reported you.

I am not sure you are allowed to outright say those sort of things :b

[Stalephreak]

JorDash, on 28 August 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

How is it even possible to determine that player retention when it's only been a week?

The only way I know of is to have REALLY low retention standards.

[Mechwarrior0311]

Whelp, I'd bet money that everyone here saying that they will leave, will be back. I think everyone who refunded their Phoenix pack will end up regretting it. I think that PGI is going to wow us all sometime inthe future. And I think PGI meant that the casual gamers who juat want to blow up mechs are their target demographic. I think 3pv beats the hell out of mechs walking on top of each other during travel, 1st person is still superior for fighting, this argument is old and tired, and ill see you on the battlefield.

[MustrumRidcully]

IceCase88, on 28 August 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Well played, PGI. After all the bitterness and discontent sewn by 3PV and Bryan's horribly worded announcement, you throw candy at the kids to divert attention from it. Well played. 3PV still sucks, your reasoning for creating it is horrible, the time and resources diverted to create it instead of making other fixes or other content is **** poor judgment, and alienating your player base as well as telling the paying player base they are not part of your target demographic was beyond idiotic. I will still buy the Sabre package because I still enjoy playing the game but doing other unpopular things like creating 3PV will make me vote with my wallet.

Personally I think you should vote with your wallet right now. Remember that you don't need the sabre package to actually buy those mechs, you only need it to get the special variants with custom skin.

But if you don't vote with your wallet now, PGI will not learn the lesson, and the next thing "like 3PV" will happen. Better to have them learn the lesson early.


But I suspect they learn their lesson. "We just need to sell more mechs".
I suppose what worked in Startrek Online works in Mechwarrior Online, too.

They only need to add lockboxes.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 28 August 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Devils Advocate, on 28 August 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Are you seriously suggesting that you guys are doing things for the silent majority? If they're silent how do you know what they want?

Possible explanations:
1) Wishful thinking
2) People actually buy MC to get mechs or overcome the C-Bill reduction and as long as that still happens, everything is good.

[Corwin Vickers]

I don't like the good squad either but I don't really see what you're referencing.

Also I don't think you understand the goons. When you have a huge mass of people with little organization they don't need to "move from eve," they are in both places with different players as well as some of the same players. They are just freaking huge.

[Novakaine]

Corwin Vickers, on 28 August 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

I don't like the good squad either but I don't really see what you're referencing.

Also I don't think you understand the goons. When you have a huge mass of people with little organization they don't need to "move from eve," they are in both places with different players as well as some of the same players. They are just freaking huge.

Yeah keep thinking that.

[Unbound Inferno]

InnerSphereNews, on 27 August 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

We continue to see a steady increase in online players, with more new MechWarriors joining us every day. Registrations continue to be strong with a very nice increase during the month of August. Our Phoenix program was a big success and we’re very excited to deliver the Phoenix `Mechs in October!

Registrations does not mean retention. I hope someone at PGI will get that. Just because you have enough new players joining doesn't mean you have many staying with the obvious direction of things coming out. Eventually you won't be able to keep them long enough to have that illusion of enough active players to say this is successful.

And I have a bad feeling that'll a far shorter time than you'd think, especially with what you've called "balance" here.

Edited by Unbound Inferno, 28 August 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[Mechwarrior0311]

Those two new Mechs in the Sabre Package look amazing! No wonder everyone is buying it! 6 new mechs by December 17th wooot.

[ryoma]

Unbound Inferno, on 28 August 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

Registrations does not mean retention. I hope someone at PGI will get that. Just because you have enough new players joining doesn't mean you have many staying with the obvious direction of things coming out. Eventually you won't be able to keep them long enough to have that illusion of enough active players to say this is successful.

And I have a bad feeling that'll a far shorter time than you'd think, especially with what you've called "balance" here.

PR spin man. Their goal is to make everything sound positive even when **** is hitting the turbine.