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[Syllogy]

Jakob Knight, on 28 August 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

In short: What good is this 'Update' when we know nothing in it can be believed or taken as what is truely intended by the Devs?

So you have a problem when they give you information that's changed.

Then you have a problem when they don't tell you anything.

Now you have a problem when they try to inform you of what's going on?

When does it end, dude?

[W A R L O R D]

DCM Zeus, on 28 August 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

I was never able to put my finger on why I preferred to pilot the Atlas vs the Stalker.....now I know....the Stalker is a ****.

Edited by SAYF, 28 August 2013 - 08:44 AM.

[WarHippy]

DCM Zeus, on 28 August 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

I think PGI/IGP has some reading to do. That's if they get their head out of their *** first.

http://www.gamasutra...nt_.php?print=1



Also

Wow that gamasutra article is so very fitting to what has been going on here. Everyone should be linking that everywhere they can here, twitter, and any other place the devs like to hide. I think it is safe to say the devs failed every rule.

Edited by WarHippy, 28 August 2013 - 08:43 AM.

[Frost Lord]

Riptor, on 28 August 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

The problem is that hero mechs and premium time also got devalued in that nerf.

They did not "adjust" the cbill gain to be the same as 8 vs 8 wich would have been fine, no they lowered the amount of cbills BELOW that.

So no the MC and hero mechs are not a good argument because PGI has shown that they nilly willy lower the value of allready purchased goods at their leisure and without former warning.

Try to pull that stunt in any other industry and you would be head over heels in class action lawsuits...

its bata things are meant to change you should be thankful you get to keep the cbill you have earned so far, most games reset when they go live.
and company's make changes to there products all the time change of flavor removal of a perticuler line only to come back as as a special offer, its not like they sead c bills would be fixed at the value they were at its also not the first time they have been adjusted.

[Bilbo]

Silent, on 28 August 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

As the official silent majority spokesperson I would just like to say on behalf of the silent majority that this game is bad and you should feel bad for still playing it in its current state.

That is all.

I don't feel bad at all. Not only am I playing but I'm enjoying it as well.

[Zeus X]

I was reading Online Community Management: Communication Through Gamers and came across these two rules.

This is a great read that PGI/IGP should consider.

http://www.gamasutra...nt_.php?print=1

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Rule III: Be Honest
This rule is simple: if you're not honest, you're not reliable, and if you're not reliable, everything you say has no value at all. If a community manager doesn't earn the trust of her community, or loses it by lying or favoring certain players over others, then it's useless to communicate, because her own community will prefer trusting other sources -- most of the time unofficial -- instead of the official one.

If you're thinking about lying about an unpopular patch applied into the game, or hiding it, realize that you're better off communicating about it than risking losing the trust of your community. The companies who lie to their customers are the ones that underestimate the power of community, and it never brings anything good.

Rule IV: Don't Underestimate Your Community
The power of a community is both huge and impressive. A common mistake is to underestimate what a community can do for you or against you, and therefore not invest enough in community tools and community personnel.

Making this mistake can lead you to miss some of your biggest support when it comes to media, testing, moderation, and many other things. It can also lead to an angry community. You don't want to see 5,000 angry players posting in all the gaming forums they know that you don't care about your community.

Underestimating community also means underestimating players, which can lead to other mistakes, like hiding some of your game's modifications because you think the players won't see it, giving information to a foreign magazine and thinking that the European players won't hear about it, not protecting your game files enough because you think the players won't be able to view (and modify) them, and a number of other problems. The history of video game development is full of mistakes made by people who underestimated their players.

If something is possible, then there will be at least one player within your community who will do it.

[Corvus Antaka]

John McFianna, on 28 August 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

This pic....hurts.

Nope. Go lose in the realworld. you dont get paid at all.

lucky losses even pay imho.

[Deathlike]

Since 3PV has been implemented, I don't have an exact count of how many times it has been asked to "turn 3PV off". It's almost like 1 of every 4 games, I read this... and that's not a good sign of success (neither is forcing arm lock or throttle decay on a newbie). Forcing options by default is only going to exacerbate the newbie experience.

However, I've found the perfect vid that explains most of the CDU:

[Corvus Antaka]

Longjedge, on 28 August 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

What the update really says. As long as people sign up and spend real cash, we're just going to keep doing what we've been doing. All those who don't like it can leave because we don't really need you..

Good.

[Jakob Knight]

Syllogy, on 28 August 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

So you have a problem when they give you information that's changed.

Then you have a problem when they don't tell you anything.

Now you have a problem when they try to inform you of what's going on?

When does it end, dude?

It ends when they do what they say they will do. Not what I say they should do, not what demographics say they should do. But what -they- say they will do.

This is the issue, as I said had you bothered to read before posting what you wanted me to say instead of what I actually said, not a matter of communication. The Devs were the ones who stated how 3PV would be implemented, and it was the Devs who then deliberately violated their own statement that no one would be forced to play in a 3PV environment.

Miscommunication never happened. Willful disregard for being truthfull and following through on their promises is (and it is not even debatable that they did make promises...they were not 'miscommunications' simply because they changed their minds later on and wish it had been).

[tuffy963]

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WarHippy, on 28 August 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Wow that gamasutra article is so very fitting to what has been going on here. Everyone should be linking that everywhere they can here, twitter, and any other place the devs like to hide. I think it is safe to say the devs failed every rule.

Yeah, I especially like this part....

Rule III: Be Honest
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This rule is simple: if you're not honest, you're not reliable, and if you're not reliable, everything you say has no value at all. If a community manager doesn't earn the trust of her community, or loses it by lying or favoring certain players over others, then it's useless to communicate, because her own community will prefer trusting other sources -- most of the time unofficial -- instead of the official one.[/color]
[color=#000000]
If you're thinking about lying about an unpopular patch applied into the game, or hiding it, realize that you're better off communicating about it than risking losing the trust of your community. The companies who lie to their customers are the ones that underestimate the power of community, and it never brings anything good.[/color]

Rule IV: Don't Underestimate Your Community
[color=#000000]
The power of a community is both huge and impressive. A common mistake is to underestimate what a community can do for you or against you, and therefore not invest enough in community tools and community personnel.[/color]
[color=#000000]
Making this mistake can lead you to miss some of your biggest support when it comes to media, testing, moderation, and many other things. It can also lead to an angry community. You don't want to see 5,000 angry players posting in all the gaming forums they know that you don't care about your community.

Underestimating community also means underestimating players, which can lead to other mistakes, like hiding some of your game's modifications because you think the players won't see it, giving information to a foreign magazine and thinking that the European players won't hear about it, not protecting your game files enough because you think the players won't be able to view (and modify) them, and a number of other problems. The history of video game development is full of mistakes made by people who underestimated their players.

If something is possible, then there will be at least one player within your community who will do it.[/color]

[Silent]

Syllogy, on 28 August 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Now you have a problem when they try to inform you of what's going on?

When does it end, dude?

What exactly did they inform us about? I don't see anything in this 'update' that updated me on anything going on with the game beyond 'CW might be talked about after launch at the launch party maybe', and they've been saying 'We might talk about CW at some point maybe in the future if you're lucky honest' since closed beta.

[Gregory Owen]

Silent, on 28 August 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

What exactly did they inform us about? I don't see anything in this 'update' that updated me on anything going on with the game beyond 'CW might be talked about after launch at the launch party maybe', and they've been saying 'We might talk about CW at some point maybe in the future if you're lucky honest' since closed beta.

they were supposed to give us some info this month but that never happend. looks like they've decided to save it for the release party.

[Warge]

I loved this game... reasons? Mech models (MWO's mech designer - just god damned genius!) and... community. Year ago it was most friendly community I ever seen (MV Agusta forum exclusion). From August 2013 - things changed: I've added to my ignore list 20 times more persons than I added through 1.5 year been here.
As for game itself... I could accept all: ECM-abomination, heat thershold [censored], ghost heat, Gauss delay. But not absence of 1PV-only queue. Now I just can't force myself to play MWO cause I have no feeling that this game for persons like myself: hadcore BT-fans.
Thank you PGI! You just ruined the dream! So no more money from me too...

Edited by Warge, 28 August 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[Demos]

After reading the 'Update' I didn't know, if I should laugh or cry.
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I cried.

3Pv a success. A lot of new players?
I guess that due to the CBill nerf many players, especially new ones with a bleak outlook for the future, simply opend new accounts to farm the Cadet bonus...

Then this:

InnerSphereNews, on 27 August 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

[...]
Economics

As for the economics, we’ve heard some talk about the reduction in C-Bill rewards. As previous replies to the community in the latest ATD have stated, we needed to rein in some of the rewards a bit as they had grown beyond our original thresholds by about 16%. This is normal and common as a game evolves and players become more efficient. The addition of 12v12 also required a tuning pass to lower the earning by around 13% to account for an additional 8 players on the battlefield. The future vision for CB and XP rewards includes a more granular, role based approach currently in design and development. These expanded earnings will reward players directly for performing specific roles, allowing them to distinguish themselves.

Some economic math from our telemetry data:

• Average match time is 8.4 minutes.
  
• Average CB/match is 79,069.
  
• Average CB/hour is 564,778 if you only have 1 BattleMech to use.
  
• New players can earn 7,981,686 in cadet bonuses during their first 3.5 hours in addition to between 1-3 million in regular game earnings.

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[/color]
Oh really? Where is the time for waiting for a match, after match, switching mechs etc.? Even with 8.6 min it isn't 7 games per hour, it is 5 to 6 only, which drop the average income per hour to app. 450.000 CB. 20% less than your numbers.

I'm not impressed and stop any further spending money...

[Ngamok]

Hollander Burial, on 27 August 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Ironically, with this being the first thread that Ive even read here, it seems to be true on both sides of the argument.

I hope so, Member since today.

DemonRaziel, on 27 August 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Something just occured to me. How many of you guys created new accounts, or hopped to their alternate ones they weren't using for a while just to check out the 3PV and see whether it's being used at the lower ELO bracket? Because statistically, that might actually seem to PGI like the 3PV has brought them new players/caused some players to return to the game.

Also, I believe Russ said something along the lines of "Let's give 3PV a week and see what happens". So the week has passed... will we get a separate 1PV queue now?

I made one yesterday to check things out so my new account doesn't count since it was after this was written.

[Franchi]

Pendraco, on 28 August 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Well, I have taken a step back, took a good deep breath and read Bryan's post twice. Emotions are high and I must be taking it wrong......But I'll be damned! Every time I read that I feel like I am being punished, marginalized, threatened and shown the door, and all this because of YOUR communication shortcoming?

Please PGI tell me this is NOT what you wished to convey to me!

Your post was the last post I was allowed to like today, if I could I would take back all the other likes and use them ALL on your post. no offense to the other posts I liked but this perfectly sums up what just happened..

To everyone who is posting here

Edited by Niko Snow, 28 August 2013 - 11:51 AM.
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[codynyc]

If this game would have been mw4 with current graphics and physics they would have a gold mine on their hands. ..such a miss opportunity.

[Sagedabluemage]

I dun mind it , they are doing pretty good work on the game. the attempt so far is 1000 times better than what i could have thought up in a million years or dreamed. I kno delays happen, not all promises are kept but its a changing dynamic its a business. you have the hardcores and the casuals, each one fickle in what they want. so far i have enjoyed playing. I like the idea and im willing to support that. What i dun like as a player is some things are a lil hard to obtain with out real grind but thats expected of a game about skill. The better you do the more you get. I can see its hard to do i just hope the momentum starts to picking up.

tho i cant wait for warfare role bonuses for scouting, flanking, support fire ,stuff like that would make me a happy mechy

[Lugh]

Warge, on 27 August 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

So what's about our 1PV-only? If there is grouth of 3PV-players can we finaly have our own hardcore league?

There isn't and no you can't.