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[Earl White]

But I'm not sure which to get, I want something Heavy or Assault, and preferably cheesy as hell as far as weapon possibilities go.

I liked the look of the Pretty Baby, but I see a lot of negative opinions on the Awesome chassis. I am not too keen on missiles either, so that's another reason why I was put off getting it.

[Dalziel Hasek Davion]

Ilya Muromets and the 3xUAC5, 2xML "chainsaw" build. http://www.mechspecs...php?topic=424.0

And.. erm... that's it.

Edited by Dalziel Hasek Davion, 28 August 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[BoPop]

ilyas about the most used/popular hero from what I see, and can cheese out I think, don't have one so never looked into them. seems like they are the most played hero, I think the heavy metal can cheese out nicely too, and plays some soft death metal for ya when ya get a kill, pretty funny.

[Royalewithcheese]

Ilya is the best hero mech. Misery can be pretty scary too, and Firebrand can run some fun loadouts.

[I C Wiener]

It's certainly a question of preference. I personally am not to keen on any of them (except maybe the Firebrand).

If you're looking for something cheesy (I guess your drawing to not too many different weapon groups), I'd recommend the Firebrand, which heavily relies on ballistics - a good thing IMO) or the Flame, which I like despite of it's giant center torso.

Edit: I see a lot of people recommending the Ilya. I suggest testing another Phract first, It's the only Mech I sold despite of completely mastering 3 chassis of it, because I hated it so much. Not saying, it's a bad mech, it's just not a Mech everyone will enjoy.

Edited by I C Wiener, 28 August 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Pastor Priest]

Dalziel Hasek Davion, on 28 August 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

Ilya Muromets and the 3xUAC5, 2xML "chainsaw" build. http://www.mechspecs...php?topic=424.0

And.. erm... that's it.

This. I run it, and a decent match nets me 500-750 damage, 2-4 kills, and a ton of assists. If I don't kill my targets, I tend to leave them pretty maimed.

[Redshift2k5]

Heavy? Cheesy? Hero?

Ilya Muromets currently fits the bill. The Firebrand is good too, though! And the Dragon Slayer is solid.

Ilya is certainly the "cheesiest" with it's strong focus on ballistic weapon type with room enough for three large ballistic weapons.

Also keep your eye open for whatever mech comes up for September, since the pattern now is "Hero mech first, regular variants later"

[Mike Getsome]

You can't go wrong with Misery Gauss, 2ERPPCs, 3MLas + aimbot streaks pay2win master race :3
#REKT

Edited by Mike Getsome, 28 August 2013 - 07:53 AM.

[Wintersdark]

As others have said, the Ilya's probably the best option, followed by the Misery and Firebrand. The Heavy Metal's a favourite of mine, too, but it doesn't offer anything that can't be done with the other variants.

The Pretty Baby is arguably the worst Hero, though. The Death's Knell is probably technically worse, but it's very cheap at least. The PB is expensive and terrible.

[Aym]

Heavy metal with 2 or 3 ppc's and a guass, XL 325 and JJ's. Learn to Jump Snipe your way to victory and wealth.

[Koniving]

Earl White, on 28 August 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

But I'm not sure which to get, I want something Heavy or Assault, and preferably cheesy as hell as far as weapon possibilities go.

I liked the look of the Pretty Baby, but I see a lot of negative opinions on the Awesome chassis. I am not too keen on missiles either, so that's another reason why I was put off getting it.

Lots of people want brawlers, and the Pretty Baby makes a very awkward brawler. It relies heavily on its missiles to soften its targets long before it reaches them or before they reach you, and then it can take the enemies out with ease.

Awesomes are no wider than an Atlas, but given its lower armor and 'drooping side torsos' it does take hits more. Funny everyone complains about CT hits, which happens because it's easier to just take out the center than to strip its sides off. The Awesome chassis itself requires a common skill from closed beta that is completely lost on new players in this high alpha non-sense. In CB people couldn't fire all their weapons at once due to major heat issues. Thus it was common practice to try and twist between shots to take hits into the sides and arms when possible as you cool off.

Now, sadly, it's all "ZOMG I got to stare at the enemy until I die!"

Personally I love the Pretty Baby. It's a mech that only works with one or two play styles, and sadly neither style is popular.

That said, moving on... Muromets is pretty iconic. Dragon Slayer is about average. The Misery is a lot of fun but works best in pairs. If you got a friend, run them side by side for pure epic awesomeness. Mine runs AC/5, twin PPC, triple smalls. Super heat efficient. Back when there wasn't a penalty on alpha strikes, the same build using a UAC/5 and triple mediums went up against a 4 ER PPC Stalker and 4 PPC + Gauss Atlas and nearly won at a fighting range of no more than 90 meters with both of them hammering on me.

You will want to avoid the twin Dragons; they won't fit your playstyle.

Wait until the month changes, there will be another hero mech. Orion's also around the corner at some point.
In the mean time, enjoy this read which is a true story of a real match in MWO. Twin Miseries -- where the first one falls quickly -- against the Atlas Stalker cheese rigs before Paul's penalty system.

Spoiler

Koniving, on 11 June 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

Yesterday me and another guy were piloting Miseries on voice comms. We've been brawling enemies in two on one battles when they are isolated. Finally it boils down to two enemies left. Both of them had 4 ER PPC rigs (one a stalker, one an Atlas RS with a Gauss Rifle on the side). They had just killed the 6th player, leaving only the two of us.

My teammate had been soaking most of the damage up to this point. When we charge them, he dies in the first volley of 8 ER PPCs. The enemy stalker shuts down. The Atlas is still moving. Since the enemy stalker was the weakest of the two in terms of armor, I went for him. With both of them pelting me from different angles at every opportunity that they could, I had my twin standard PPCs, 3 Medium Lasers, UAC/5, and Streak SRM-2 loaded up. I tore through the side of the stalker. He began to panic and move behind the Atlas.

I whirl around to give chase -- all of us repeatedly powering down because every single one of us are running hot on Tourmaline. With the Atlas between me and the other stalker while it cooled down, I began using only the streak and the UAC/5 to help facilitate my own cooldown while still doing damage but the damn thing keeps jamming! I cut to just the cannon as I push past the Atlas; I was going to disable that stalker altogether. When the stalker peeked to shoot at me from behind the Atlas, I let off an alpha strike. PPCs at 89 meters, 3 ML, streak and a UAC/5 into his surviving shoulder. Cherry red but I shut down. The Atlas just did another alpha strike into my side and powered down. I hear sparks. I've lost my side. It's now or never. I power up prematurely. "Override shutdown." Another alpha! Power down immediately. The stalker lost his other side torso. He's effectively weaponless.

The Atlas is panicking, powers up to give off another alpha just to shut right back down. Since I lost a laser, a PPC, and a streak, I now had better heat efficiency. Though I lost a few heatsinks as well. Still I was able to power right back up. My CT armor is gone thanks to that last strike. I whirl around counter-clockwise, not giving him any more chances to hit the weakened side. If he's gonna hit me he's gonna hit armor. I go for the gauss rifle. He's within 60 meters, so that PPC won't do jack here. Twin ML, UAC/5 barrage (when the thing doesn't jam), his armor shreds on the right torso. The Gauss Rifle explodes on him. His internals go to dark orange immediately. His last alpha with the gauss and 4 ER PPCs went into my arm and armored side torso; both went red in armor only. I'm still pumping UAC/5s into it and follow up with a PPC though I've been circling and not backing away (staying this close makes his ER PPCs imprecise and spreads the damage). His arm falls off, his shoulder is gone. My heat's doing so much better now. He's down to two ER PPCs.

But now I have a problem. His good arm is on the same side as my weak torso. There's no getting around this, he's got me pegged. By this time he'd been stripped of armor all along his back and on his center torso, but it's still bright yellow. My CT's become dark orange. We tussel a bit more. Ramming each other even though knockdowns are gone. Targeting each other's weak spots. We still occasionally get shut down but nowhere near as often now. The enemy stalker, now just a walking phallus on legs, attempts to interject by ramming me and getting between me and my enemy in seemingly coordinated attempts to soak up my fire and then hit me when my weapons are recycling.

Ultimately he becomes cherry red. A shot or two would kill him. I've lost my other side torso leaving me with only a medium laser in the center torso. I line up my shot. He lines up his. I fire and cutting into the beam is that damn stalker! The stalker dies. As he falls over I'm stuck waiting for the laser to recharge. The Atlas fires two ER PPCs into my center torso. From my perspective it may as well have been to my cockpit.

Defeat.

The enemy Stalker: "OMFG why won't you just die!?!?!?!?!?" came his response over the chat. "Holy ****!"
The Atlas: "You were one pain in the *** to put down."
Koniving: "Good fight."

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My partner said if I went with an AC/5 instead, I never would have jammed and I would have won that since I spent most of the fight with the thing jammed. I have to agree.

[Liquid Leopard]

Earl White, on 28 August 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

...I want something Heavy or Assault, and preferably cheesy as hell as far as weapon possibilities go.

I liked the look of the Pretty Baby, but I see a lot of negative opinions on the Awesome chassis. I am not too keen on missiles either, so that's another reason why I was put off getting it.

The Awesome is shaped like a barn door, and presents a very large target to the enemy. Better still, the Pretty Baby might be the hardest of the Awesomes to learn. I think the use of Awesomes has dropped off a lot now that the Victor is out. The Victor isn't as big a target, and you can have jump jets on it.

But, if you want "cheesy as hell" you can always get a Firebrand and fix it up with dual AC/20s.

[NineTails]

Muromets. If not Muromets, Heavy Metal. If not Heavy Metal, Misery. If not Misery, then I got nothin'.

[Razuko]

Absolutely positively Firebrand

[NineTails]

Razuko, on 28 August 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Absolutely positively Firebrand

Does the Firebrand do anything that you can't already do on one of the Cataphracts? (genuine question, I don't drive JN6s or CTFs)

[Joe Kid]

NineTails, on 28 August 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

Does the Firebrand do anything that you can't already do on one of the Cataphracts? (genuine question, I don't drive JN6s or CTFs)

Yes! Shoot over ridges without exposing your entire Mech. The CTF has a really low arm hang making it very difficult to shoot over a hill.

[NineTails]

Joe Kid, on 28 August 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Yes! Shoot over ridges without exposing your entire Mech. The CTF has a really low arm hang making it very difficult to shoot over a hill.

Fair point.

[Ewigan]

actually most heroes are good mechs in itself, despite of the Pretty baby that is. it is weird, even for an awesome....

if you are looking for a hero "to farm", i would definitely advise for a heavy or assault.
Ilya is a really great mech, but so are misery and heavy metal.
you can earn tons and tons of cash with those.

but, and that is a big but, not everyone likes the playstyle that those mechs have.

if you are familiar with commandos, the Deaths Knell is an awesome variant, but it still is an commando. if you can't handle them, you can't handle the Knell.
same goes for the X-5 and the Wang: if you are not familiar with Cicadas, or not know how to use a shield arm, both heroes aren't for you.
i own all those 3, and am doing very well with all of them. probably best with the wang... it truly is an awesome mech if you know how wo handle it. one of the best mechs in the entire game actually, if you know how to keep your ac/20 alive.
the golden boy right now is in a BAD state because of the "damage magnet" that is its CT. do not buy it.

fang and flame are okish... one of them is far superior to the other, i can't remember which one. the reason for that is simple: it are dragons anyway, they die quickly. like with the mediums: if you are not familiar with dragons do not get one of those.
skilled people wreck havoc with those things, but well... dragons :S
THE go to heavy heroes are the firebrand and ilya. firebrand is an awesome mech to ridge hump, and ilya shreds other mechs really quick, especially cause UACs are so good right now.

the assaults earn good money anyway, so every assault makes a good hero.
the heavy metal is awesome because of JumpJets and those two weapon arms. poptarting and generally fighting is really great with that mech.
the misery is great for the ridge humping thing again, BUT the ballistic weapon is a bit low hung, so you have to expose yourself for that. the plus is that it is a stalker, and stalkers are generally great.
the dragon slayer is a bit weird... it is not a bad mech, but the other victors are mostly plain better.
and well the pretty baby is like i said a bad mech. awesomes are in a bad state anyway, and that mech has it's hardpoints ALL over the place... do not get it!

[Mycrus]

Agree with com-tdk

Cheapest hero mech and if you are half decent with medium lasers, you can do 300-400 dmg no sweat..

It is also cheap to fully upgrade with needing just an xl210 to reach top speed..

[Racklesnack]

Can't go wrong with this http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e2712792a60d726