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[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Removed my yes vote, moved my vote to the one and only unbiased poll:

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/133594-3pv-community-poll/

You better all remove your YES votes and turn them into a sound NO in case you still want separate queues!

Edited by Quax1102, 29 August 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[RainTuga]

You are true of course by voting YES i am basically saying that Hardcore mode will be removed AND allowing 3PV on the public queue.
But as i said i think that is already going to happen no matter the results of this or any other poll.

My believe is that PGI is going to keep the public queues with the 3PV to attract a bigger audience ( i think the asian market loves mechs from 3PV) and come up with this idea to please the "competitive core" audience.

[StandingCow]

Yep deleted my selection as well until we get a little more clarification on what PGI is intending..

[Vullum]

Whats the point voting, the first poll on 3pv had 91% against it and they did it anyway. 1pv in 12 v 12 still isnt enough for me to come back to this game. needs to be an option for all players.

[Frenchtoastman]

stjobe, on 29 August 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

I'm not trying to tell you how to vote, I'm just trying to tell you what you're voting about:

• Yes, 12v12 should be 1PV only AND all other game modes should be mixed 3PV/1PV AND Hardcore mode will be removed.
  
• No, 12v12 should not be 1PV only, like all other game modes it should be mixed 3PV/1PV AND Hardcore mode will be removed.

See, those two are the options; either way you vote, you're saying you want all other game modes to be mixed and Hardcore mode to be removed.


If you're not okay with this, your only option is NOT to vote, optionally making a post stating that you've abstained because the options don't describe your feelings on the matter.

When a poll is bias and/or missleading, it should be reported via the "report" button at the bottom right of the offending post. If you feel this particular post has been bias and/or missleading, I encourage you to politely make use of the report feature.

I understand it may seem silly, but it's the proper way to communicate (in addition to not voting) if you feel that this poll is flawed. Be polite, give information, have a voice.

Edited by Frenchtoastman, 29 August 2013 - 01:29 AM.

[Tolkien]

Vullum, on 29 August 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Whats the point voting, the first poll on 3pv had 91% against it and they did it anyway. 1pv in 12 v 12 still isnt enough for me to come back to this game. needs to be an option for all players.

Yes it did and it's important to remind them of this. Also keep in mind that just a few days ago they had their spindoctors post up that the 3pv had seen 'great acceptance by the playerbase', if that is what they call a ~280 page threadnaught railing against it.

You can call the people like me who have actually forced a refund on our Phoenix packages to send a message the "vocal minority" but the truth is that this poll existing shows PGI/IGP has just blinked in this particular poker hand.

Keep getting people to request refunds based on their failure to deliver on a promise and they will fold.

We just have to make it economically the better choice and their lack of values will ironically force them to follow their word.

[Revorn]

Just an unfair manipulative Poll. No is the only Option here. Imho.

[grayson marik]

Lame excuse for a compromise.
If you bring in all kind of other premade match options like 4v4 3v3, 6v6 etc... and all those to be selectable for 1stPV only or 3rd PV only or "mixed" ...THAT would bring you a yes vote from me.

Seems like you did not understand the complains.

We do not want to limit other peoples fun, as you did when you imposed 3rdPV on us.
If there are people who like 3rd, fine let em play so all the day in and day out, even in 12v12 matches.

The point is that your implementation just left no space for those, who want to PUG in 1st person only matches or even in 3rd person only matches... and all other personal tastes of gameplay....

You know what?

You could kill all this elo, queue, matchmaking grief with one single blow:

Implement a MSN gaming zone like lobby for your game, that provides selectable options for "droplimits, map and allowed views"

EVERYONE could play like he/she wants to play and you would have saved a LOT of development time that already went into a lot of lame mechanics you had to invent for those queues to work... and a lot of dev time you still have to invest, as the latest debacle shows.

Also well, let the PUG random everything queue exist for a fast game during lunch break, next to the lobby.

THAT would cater to all kind of audience you might have in mind. no matter if vocal minority, silent majoritiy or any other ghostish target audience....

[skill gap]

stjobe, on 28 August 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

To those voting yes:

I sincerely hope you realize that by voting yes, you're also voting yes to

• The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes
  
• Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

If you don't agree to this, the only way to show it is to remove your vote.


This is the sneakiest, most underhanded way of doing a poll imaginable; it's quite common in politics, where an unpopular or divisive question is (usually at the last minute, after debate) added to a popular or non-divisive vote as a "rider", so that anyone voting yes to the easy, popular, and straightforward question is also voting yes to the more divisive or unpopular option.

Shame on you PGI for not just asking the simple question.

This is probably the best post in this thread and the reason I refuse to take part in this poll. I instead voted in the poll in my sig. I want separate queues.

[Frack the System]

stjobe, on 28 August 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

To those voting yes:

I sincerely hope you realize that by voting yes, you're also voting yes to

• The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes
  
• Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

If you don't agree to this, the only way to show it is to remove your vote.




This is the sneakiest, most underhanded way of doing a poll imaginable; it's quite common in politics, where an unpopular or divisive question is (usually at the last minute, after debate) added to a popular or non-divisive vote as a "rider", so that anyone voting yes to the easy, popular, and straightforward question is also voting yes to the more divisive or unpopular option.

Shame on you PGI for not just asking the simple question.

Removed my to hasty YES-vote for exactly that reason
If getting new players with 3PV is so successful then just give us hardcoremodes and you will win back A LOT of goodwill/players/money everybody will be happy and this can finally end !!

http://mwomercs.com/...93#entry2704893

This is the poll we need !
Separate Queues and all is good !

Edited by Frack the System, 29 August 2013 - 01:38 AM.

[Lancer Deistler]

PGI you stole my idea. XD

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2705086

[Ilwrath]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

So all solo players get shafted? What the hell is wrong with you?

[Thaar]

I only play in 1PV and don't have time for 12-man matches! What should I do?
I like the game, but I don't have the time for 12 vs 12 matches.

[Solis Obscuri]

I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO PLAY IN 3PV MATCHES, INCLUDING NEW PLAYER WHO MAY BE HARMED BY IT.

[John MatriX82]

As I said it earlier we'll probably have to deal with 3PV until the end of the days, with the option to turn it off completely for competitive games and CW.

Until then I can accept to get it live in PUG games only if:
-the drone is a module
-the drone can be shot down

OR

-LIMIT 3PV VIEW RANGE TO 750 meters, LIKE HEAT OR NIGHT VISION ARE LIMITED TO.

[MustrumRidcully]

See, this is what the "communication failure" did. People don't even trust voting in a poll anymore, because they fear it might have implications they don't agree with.

What if PGI really wants to figure out how much the demand for 1PV is, and not trick us into limiting pure 1PV for an extreme subset of play?

Well, we don't know.

[Nebelfeuer]

Actually I am not totally against a 3PV option though I think the current implementation a bad one, BUT:
This poll is outragious! You really try to **** people off don´t you? You hit us straight in the face a few times, said "sorry, I thought i woud miss" afterwards, tell us that our pain is statistically irrelevant and then dare to ask us if we want a piece of chocolate or not? At least give us propper choices like
This:

Tolkien, on 29 August 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

And this:

Quax1102, on 29 August 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

Removed my yes vote, moved my vote to the one and only unbiased poll:

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/133594-3pv-community-poll/

You better all remove your YES votes and turn them into a sound NO in case you still want separate queues!

And live with the results.

[Wolfways]

Tolkien, on 29 August 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

Also keep in mind that just a few days ago they had their spindoctors post up that the 3pv had seen 'great acceptance by the playerbase', if that is what they call a ~280 page threadnaught railing against it.

If you are going to post please at least get your facts straight....

It was 283 pages

[Squid von Torgar]

Look, the situation is this. 3PV is here to stay. Furthermore PGI say that splitting the players into separate queues is not going to happen.

This is a concession from them and the first gilmour that their standpoint on 3PV might be changing. If you oppose 3PV in any form, you have to vote yes. Why?

Although the result of this poll seems to be a forgone conclusion, they other important number is the amount of votes. If there are 4000+ votes for yes, PGI know full well that this is far above the number of 12 man competitors. It represents a wider demographic of players.

Once this is in we can continue to lobby for queues in other groups and even a solo queue. But if this doesn't go in PGI will just say "Hell there isn't even enough demand for in amongst 12 mans". They would never consider other options.

PGI has created this poll and not another player. They obviously intend to stand by its results. Because they are actually going to pay attention to this one, every single player that hates 3PV should vote because at least this time you know they are paying attention.

Calm down and vote yes. We will get there in the end, but not with negativity.

[Sam Slade]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

So this is your answer? A confirmation that the 'first person view is a pillar of the design' and 'never forced to play with 3rd person view' statements where blatent misrepresentations of the companies position?

I had previously said I'd wait two weeks before moving ahead to reclaim monies spent. That was one week ago; is this 'question' your statement on the future of MWO?

I have sent the same questions to support and been ignored. I shall take future failures to respond as it is customarily seen... (you know where it is).

AriannaPwnographic, on 28 August 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Where is the refund everyone their founders pack price? I think that is a good solution! I want to play the game as advertised!

It would appear that this question is in fact going to a higher power. Futher details to follow though probably not on this forum.