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[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

This is likely my last thread about the 1PV/3PV broken promise, I only ask that you read it and think about what I say in it.

Why would PGI (Russ and Bryan) totally break one of the pillars of the game as promoted and promised by PGI to the people who paid the first money to them, the Founders? Why would they promise a 1PV mech based simulator only to completely break this promise and turn it into an arcade game feeling deviation from what they actually sold the Founders? Well I've thought about it from a business stand point and the only conclusion I've come up with is greed, that's right the love of money.

Think about it this way, you as PGI promised a 1PV Mech simulator and you have a very narrow audience that this appeals to. It's one of the reasons the Founders bought in, keep out the Arcade players and Console boys, make it a Mech game for REAL Mechwarriors. The problem is that this limits your audience and your money machine to a select group of people which really inhibits your future profits. So looking at maybe loosing half of the Founders group that started you out, but maybe doubling your player base by appealing to a much broader audience from WoT and many other online games which would you choose? Well in PGI's case they chose to break the biggest promise made to the Founders and part of the reason a lot of the Founders bought into this project. Why did the Founders buy into this project, because finally we'd have a Mechwarrior Title that didn't cater to the people who wanted to turn our game into some perverted arcade version of what we had hopes of being a hard core Mech title! Instead PGI (Russ and Bryan) just decided that the money that they could make off dumbing down MWO to appeal to a broader audience was just to hard to pass up. Instead of remaining loyal to the people who gave them the start based on the promises they laid out before the Founders, PGI went into full on Publisher mode about making the Title as Arcade like as possible to appeal to the bigger cash cow and just deal with the loss of a chunk of it's original player base in the hopes of attracting larger numbers from the Arcade crowd, sad but true.

Strangely enough this is what Chris Roberts was told about his Space Sim games by Publishers, "too narrow of an audience" and that he'd have to dumb it down to appeal to a "broader audience" so that the Publisher could make more money off the titles. Chris being Chris said no and eventually walked away until things had come about to enable him to create his vision of the perfect Space based MMO and he got to do it his way. So far Chris has held firm to his word, and PGI hasn't.

PGI committed the cardinal sin by breaking one of the pillars of the game, and they did it for the money.

[DeadlyNerd]

Inb4 all the white knights defending PGI and claiming that their choices are justified and noble.

Tin foil hats? Nah. I'm just surprised a couple Canadians could act in such a way.








HEY RUSS, THAT "SORRY" IS NOT BIG ENOUGH.

Edited by DeadlyNerd, 03 September 2013 - 04:02 PM.

[C0VVB3LL]

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[Hauser]

DeadlyNerd, on 03 September 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Inb4 all the white knights defending PGI and claiming that their choices are justified and noble.

https://en.wikipedia...soning_the_well

edit: Actually implies you're making an argument. You're just ranting.

Edited by Hauser, 03 September 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[xxREVxx]

The devs and beancounters at PGI never gave a ratsass about that "promise" the mw community, hate to burst anyones bubble but they lied when they made that statement.
An unmamed PGI employee, "Hmmm, alright guys. Should we cater to the "purists" or follow the money?"

What did you guys think they were going to do?

and no, I do not condone 3pv....it is for those who require help in the first place.

[Vas79]

Check out the tag under my name, I bought into this knowing next to nothing about Mechwarrior. I saw an add for the game online, plunked my money down and over a year later here I am still playing away.

At this point I guess all that can really be said is if 3 PV causes you that much heart ache, if you really feel that lied to and mislead pack up your wallet and don't drop a dime again. Those of us who still enjoy playing the game will make purchases and keep the ball rolling.

Every tear that has flowed in the last two weeks, every shriek of off with someone's head has just confirmed to me personally that the staff at PGI will do their best to do what they want and not what the "community" wants because the "community" for the most part can't and won't be civil.

I'll throw this in as well for the following **** storm. Yes most of my posting history on these forums in the last year has been in the recruiting hall because to me personally it's not worth throwing 2 cents into most of the conversations because the internet hero's have all the answers. I think some of the decisions that have been made are questionable however I am adult enough to understand that this is a video game and as long as I am having fun at the end of the day I call it a win.

[Star Captain Obvious Kerensky]

I have pretty much given up on pgi and MWO. 3pv is not the biggest problem with the game, but rather the cherry on top following months of bad decisions. Nearly all of the people i play with quit, and quite simply I cannot tolerate this game when forced to play with random Teammates; Most of whom boast in chat before getting cored les than 2 minutes into the match.

Its fine that some people are still having fun, but MWO is not the competitive sim it set out to be. What we are getting at launch is a shooter for casual players that does its best to punish anyone with eye-hand coordination or the desire to play with an organized team.

Now that serious groups have dropped out, I cannot help but laugh at those who boast about how well they do with their table top inspired chimera mechs.

[DeadlyNerd]

Hauser, on 03 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

https://en.wikipedia...soning_the_well

edit: Actually implies you're making an argument. You're just ranting.

Ranting? Umm ok... Here's a little definition for you:
http://www.thefreedi...ary.com/ranting

Arguments? Mkay... Here's some more definition for ya:
http://www.thefreedi...ry.com/argument

Now that you've been educated(probably for the first time in your life), ask yourself : Am I ranting? and Am I making an argument?
That's correct, I'm not doing either! Here's your cookie!

And here's a cookie for your 2 roomates. Unfortunately they'll have to fight over it.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Eldragon, on 03 September 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

I have pretty much given up on pgi and MWO. 3pv is not the biggest problem with the game, but rather the cherry on top following months of bad decisions. Nearly all of the people i play with quit, and quite simply I cannot tolerate this game when forced to play with random Teammates; Most of whom boast in chat before getting cored les than 2 minutes into the match.

Its fine that some people are still having fun, but MWO is not the competitive sim it set out to be. What we are getting at launch is a shooter for casual players that does its best to punish anyone with eye-hand coordination or the desire to play with an organized team.

Now that serious groups have dropped out, I cannot help but laugh at those who boast about how well they do with their table top inspired chimera mechs.

I couldn't agree with you more Eldragon! This game has deteriorated into something most of the original players did not back or want. Now we have an influx of players that truly don't understand our point because they are happy with the product PGI is putting out as it appeals to the masses instead of the people PGI conned into investing in this poor excuse for what they promised us when we bought into it. I also hate that MWLL got shut down for this, it's sad!

[Belorion]

Werewolf486, on 03 September 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

This is likely my last thread about the 1PV/3PV broken promise, I only ask that you read it and think about what I say in it.

I certainly hope so.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Belorion, on 04 September 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

I certainly hope so.

Oh shut up troll

[Belorion]

You do realize that business maximize for profit right? To ask them to do anything else is to ask them to fail at being a business.

If people didn't want 3pv they would lose money putting it in. If they do want it then they will make money.

Its really quite simple.

I disagree with the way they way they pulled the fast switch, but other than that, I think the decisions they have made with 3pv have been very sound.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Belorion, on 04 September 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

You do realize that business maximize for profit right? To ask them to do anything else is to ask them to fail at being a business.

No it wasn't, asking them to stick to a pillar that they promised the Founders and many others is simply asking them to continue business in good faith. Had they never put it in they'd still have made money. It's not "just" about 3PV though, it's about dumbing down the game and making it appeal to the broader audience as more of an arcade game feel then what they promised in the begining, 3PV is just the biggest example of a breach of trust.

Belorion, on 04 September 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

I disagree with the way they way they pulled the fast switch, but other than that, I think the decisions they have made with 3pv have been very sound.

Then they should not have promised that they would "Never have 3PV" in the first place, and they could have stuck to the promise made.

In my opinion PGI really doesn't know what to do with this game since they got it off the ground. We have two very bad and repetitive modes that are won in the same way with no real direction in sight. So they create a few or 100 new maps with the same exact game modes, still just bland. I have no faith in what PGI is doing and the lack of trust coupled with band-aid fix after band-aid fix instead of truly fixing the problems has resulted in that lack of faith.

[DeathofSelf]

Belorion, on 04 September 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

You do realize that business maximize for profit right? To ask them to do anything else is to ask them to fail at being a business.

Yay! Lets all lie, cheat, and steal to get every penny we can!.... What you said there, that way of thinking, is why we can't have nice things.

Edited by DeathofSelf, 04 September 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[xxREVxx]

Werewolf486, on 04 September 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

I couldn't agree with you more Eldragon! This game has deteriorated into something most of the original players did not back or want. Now we have an influx of players that truly don't understand our point because they are happy with the product PGI is putting out as it appeals to the masses instead of the people PGI conned into investing in this poor excuse for what they promised us when we bought into it. I also hate that MWLL got shut down for this, it's sad!

Just so you know SJ Beta Galaxy put the Huntress server back up.

[Belorion]

DeathofSelf, on 04 September 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Yay! Lets all lie, cheat, and steal to get every penny we can!.... What you said there, that way of thinking, is why we can't have nice things.

I don't think that lying was ever their intention. As far as I am aware, they haven't cheated or stolen anything...

You are mixing up immoral qualities and sound business practice.

[DeathofSelf]

Belorion, on 05 September 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

I don't think that lying was ever their intention. As far as I am aware, they haven't cheated or stolen anything...

You are mixing up immoral qualities and sound business practice.

The point I was making is that when you put money before anything else you end up on a path that leads to cheating people, in this case that equates to providing a product/service far below what they said it would be and what we expected it to be.

Sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but often "sound business practices" and "immoral qualities" are often the same thing.

[-Muta-]

Wait a minute there ANOTHER QQ thread?!


And you blame them for being greedy?

If there was not greed at all this game would have never existed.
The love or need for money or call it whatever you want is what motivated these guys to start this game.

I used to be one of the biggest haters of 3PV of all times. I realized that like it or not they were going to implement it. What colud I possibly do?

- Well I made a thread just like this.
- Started another thread as a poll again... about this
- Sent them an email
- Trolled everyone who wanted 3PV

And at the end of the day realized that this is a game intended to make people have fun. (NOT TO ONLY SATISFY MY THOUGHTS AND DEMANDING IDEAS)

They are not 3 people working in an office making decisions based on a 2 out of 3 voting. Believe me that there is a whole lot of research done previously both market wise and money wise.

I checked your profile and notice that you are not a kid at all. (almost 40's) And it was surprising that you made so much drama about something that has already been implemented and is not going to change just because you dont like it.

There are others customers that like to use 3PV (I don't personally) and it is fair and a good move the implementation of that feature. That way a different game experience is offered for those who want to see their mechs.

I am a nobody, just another customer that is trying to enjoy the game just like you are. I should not be saying this but....

If 3PV ruined you game experience just move on and go play elsewhere but PLEASE stop acting like a little kid and act like the grown up person you are.

Try pressing F4 if 3PV bother you so much or even better ALT+F4 if the issue persists.

With Love,

Muta

Edited by Mutaroc, 05 September 2013 - 06:10 AM.

[DeathofSelf]

Mutaroc, on 05 September 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

Wait a minute there ANOTHER QQ thread?!


And you blame them for being greedy?

If there was not greed at all this game would have never existed.
The love or need for money or call it whatever you want is what motivated these guys to start this game.

I used to be one of the biggest haters of 3PV of all times. I realized that like it or not they were going to implement it. What colud I possibly do?

- Well I made a thread just like this.
- Started another thread as a poll again... about this
- Sent them an email
- Trolled everyone who wanted 3PV

And at the end of the day realized that this is a game intended to make people have fun. (NOT TO ONLY SATISFY MY THOUGHTS AND DEMANDING IDEAS)

They are not 3 people working in an office making decisions based on a 2 out of 3 voting. Believe me that there is a whole lot of research done previously both market wise and money wise.

I checked your profile and notice that you are not a kid at all. (almost 40's) And it was surprising that you made so much drama about something that has already been implemented and is not going to change just because you dont like it.

There are others customers that like to use 3PV (I don't personally) and it is fair and a good move the implementation of that feature. That way a different game experience is offered for those who want to see their mechs.

I am a nobody, just another customer that is trying to enjoy the game just like you are. I should not be saying this but....

If 3PV ruined you game experience just move on and go play elsewhere but PLEASE stop acting like a little kid and act like the grown up person you are.

Try pressing F4 if 3PV bother you so much or even better ALT+F4 if the issue persists.

With Love,

Muta

Wow,

First of all, greed is not the driving factor for creating something you love. This game did not need a greedy developer to be made. If you are only motivated by money then you might want to re think your priorities.

Second, Just saying "oh well" to something you don't like/don't agree with is again why we can't have nice things... Seriously if you bought something from a store and found out it was defective do you just say "oh well"?

Saying someone is acting like a child for voicing their concerns, and then telling them to "alt-f4" if they don't like the way it is, is in itself pretty childish, don't be a hypocrite.

Now more to the point, you have obviously missed all the valid points brought up by the people who oppose 3pv. It has been shown time and time again with screen shots and videos that it can be exploited and used to gain an unfair advantage. Not to mention we were sold a game as founders that would be 1pv only. Lastly the fact that they did not split the ques is the straw the broke the camels back. I don't really care if there is a 3pv/1pv que as long as I can play in a 1pv only que.

[Belorion]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

Sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but often "sound business practices" and "immoral qualities" are often the same thing.

Actually its quite the opposite. The businesses with the best ethical principles, and the highest moral values are typically that ones that do the best, have the highest margins, and the greatest longevity.

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Wow,

First of all, greed is not the driving factor for creating something you love. This game did not need a greedy developer to be made. If you are only motivated by money then you might want to re think your priorities.

Greed isn't necessarily the driving factor for making money. If the venture isn't a money maker, then they won't be able to continue making it.

Don't let your hate of 3pv blind you to the need to widen the MWO audience. The more players the richer an experience for everyone.