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[DeathofSelf]

Belorion, on 05 September 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Actually its quite the opposite. The businesses with the best ethical principles, and the highest moral values are typically that ones that do the best, have the highest margins, and the greatest longevity.



Greed isn't necessarily the driving factor for making money. If the venture isn't a money maker, then they won't be able to continue making it.

Don't let your hate of 3pv blind you to the need to widen the MWO audience. The more players the richer an experience for everyone.

You sir, are delusional. Enjoy your fictional world.

[-Muta-]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

You sir, are delusional. Enjoy your fictional world.

And you take this game way too seriouly big boy, I believe that you are the one living on a fictional world of pixels.

And once again... can ONLY and ONLY be exploited by sneaking on corners a little bit, missing all the usefull information you could gather from the map, including team mates and enemy position other than seismic information.

And Belorion is right on what he said about more players online... The more players the better experience for all of us.

On the other hand... dividing the community on 3PV and 1PV would not work at all.

The purpose was to satisfy current customers and get new players not to divide the comunity

[DeathofSelf]

Mutaroc, on 05 September 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

And you take this game way too seriouly big boy, I believe that you are the one living on a fictional world of pixels.

And once again... can ONLY and ONLY be exploited by sneaking on corners a little bit, missing all the usefull information you could gather from the map, including team mates and enemy position other than seismic information.

And Belorion is right on what he said about more players online... The more players the better experience for all of us.

On the other hand... dividing the community on 3PV and 1PV would not work at all.

The purpose was to satisfy current customers and get new players not to divide the comunity

Again with the insults... I take the game too seriously because I love the Mechwarrior IP and want the game to be what PGI originally promised? I don't think so, but you are entitled to you opinion.

Once again, please read this carefully, I do not care if 3pv is in the game, I do however care that I am being forced into the same que as people who want it. Please provide the evidence that splitting the ques wont work.

[-Muta-]

Insults, where?!

What are you talking about mate?

I have been playing MW for over 11 years already have seen soooo many changes and adapted to them. They did promise 1PV that has not been removed in any way. They simply implemented 3PV and in regards to the que split

Bryan Ekman has already posted the official answer for that

just here >>>http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

Edited by Mutaroc, 05 September 2013 - 08:29 AM.

[DeathofSelf]

Mutaroc, on 05 September 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Insults, where?!

What are you talking about mate?

I have been playing MW for over 11 years already have seen soooo many changes and adapted to them. They did promise 1PV that has not been removed in any way. They simply implemented 3PV and in regards to the que split

Bryan Ekman has already posted the official answer for that

just here >>>http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

Calling me "big boy" is a little condescending, especially from someone who was telling other players to "grow up"

No sir, again you are choosing to ignore important points. We were first told that ONLY 1pv, no 3pv at all, would be in the game. Then they told us that they were adding 3pv but we would NEVER have to drop against anyone playing in 3pv. And now we are stuck with mixed ques.

That is not evidence, nowhere in that post are there any numbers or logic as to the reason behind not splitting the ques.. And in fact, if we are to believe PGI about new player retention, their numbers are continuing to grow. So I ask again why can't the ques be split? Why not even try it? Edit: and as for the part about it "providing no significant advantage", that is a flat out lie. There are plenty of screen shots and videos show that it does.

Edited by DeathofSelf, 05 September 2013 - 08:48 AM.

[-Muta-]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

Calling me "big boy" is a little condescending, especially from someone who was telling other players to "grow up"

No sir, again you are choosing to ignore important points. We were first told that ONLY 1pv, no 3pv at all, would be in the game. Then they told us that they were adding 3pv but we would NEVER have to drop against anyone playing in 3pv. And now we are stuck with mixed ques.

That is not evidence, nowhere in that post are there any numbers or logic as to the reason behind not splitting the ques.. And in fact, if we are to believe PGI about new player retention, their numbers are continuing to grow. So I ask again why can't the ques be split? Why not even try it? Edit: and as for the part about it "providing no significant advantage", that is a flat out lie. There are plenty of screen shots and videos show that it does.

I use 3PV to sneak on corners or look over hills and then I go back to 1PV when I am going to brawl. That is how I take advantage of it.

You need tolearn to go with the flow and take advantage of those resourses that are available to you instead of trying to swim upstream.

In regards to why not even try spliting the ques, is because having both queus together in a single queu increases the match maker options when it comes to form 12 vs 12 teams.

[Belorion]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

You sir, are delusional. Enjoy your fictional world.

I suppose you think PGI should be a charity to produce a game that YOU like for free?

[DeathofSelf]

Mutaroc, on 05 September 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

I use 3PV to sneak on corners or look over hills and then I go back to 1PV when I am going to brawl. That is how I take advantage of it.

You need tolearn to go with the flow and take advantage of those resourses that are available to you instead of trying to swim upstream.

In regards to why not even try spliting the ques, is because having both queus together in a single queu increases the match maker options when it comes to form 12 vs 12 teams.

And I'm done try to communicate with you, it's like talking to a brick wall

Belorion, on 05 September 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I suppose you think PGI should be a charity to produce a game that YOU like for free?

Not what I said and you know it. There is a difference between being compensated for your work and trying to get every penny you can regardless of the consequences

[Belorion]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Not what I said and you know it. There is a difference between being compensated for your work and trying to get every penny you can regardless of the consequences

Just like there is a big difference between maximizing profit, and taking the consumer for everything they are worth. We all want MWO to be a success, and a healthy player base is what will bring us there. Strict adherence to early design goals that could very well not draw in a big enough crowd to be viable isn't good for anyone.

Like I said, their handling of the situation quite simply sucked. I am saying that as a supporter of 3pv, I will agree with the other side on that. However, I don't think that their intent was malicious. Ill conceived, yes, but not malicious.

Hopefully for everyone they learned from their faux pas, and will have better lines of communication in the future.

TBH I trust them more than Roberts, because Roberts comes across a little too slick, and a little too polished. I have a much more wait and see attitude about Star Citizen than I do about MWO.

ETA: If there was ever a company that is taking the make money at the expense of the player approach, its them, not PGI.

Edited by Belorion, 05 September 2013 - 09:48 AM.

[DeathofSelf]

Belorion, on 05 September 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

Just like there is a big difference between maximizing profit, and taking the consumer for everything they are worth. We all want MWO to be a success, and a healthy player base is what will bring us there. Strict adherence to early design goals that could very well not draw in a big enough crowd to be viable isn't good for anyone.

Like I said, their handling of the situation quite simply sucked. I am saying that as a supporter of 3pv, I will agree with the other side on that. However, I don't think that their intent was malicious. Ill conceived, yes, but not malicious.

Hopefully for everyone they learned from their faux pas, and will have better lines of communication in the future.

TBH I trust them more than Roberts, because Roberts comes across a little too slick, and a little too polished. I have a much more wait and see attitude about Star Citizen than I do about MWO.

ETA: If there was ever a company that is taking the make money at the expense of the player approach, its them, not PGI.

Well that was a bunch of baseless accusations in regards to Star Citizen (which I didn't even bring up)....

I am sooooo tired of saying this... I DO NOT CARE IF 3PV IS IN THE GAME, I DO CARE THAT I AM BEING FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST PEOPLE USING 3PV. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

All they had to do was split the ques

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

It's not about them being a charity, or crying over 3PV. IT IS about them ripping us Founders off who bought into the game with the promises that they gave us, which they have broken by dumbing down the game for a broader player base instead of bringing the play base up to the standards on which the game was promised.

In the end they broke their promises, they ripped off the founders in so many ways, and they seem to be destroying the game for those that bought into it.

Why am I still playing, why don't I just leave, why don't I unlike their FB page etc? Because I paid money for this, and I was hopeful it would become the MW game we've craved for years. Now I'm left with a lack of hope in Russ and Bryan to keep their word, a lack of hope this game will go in a good direction and only feel it will get worse. In my opinion every attempt they've made to quell the community over boating (Mostly by those of you who generally are into a more Arcade game feel) has resulted in a really bad system of band-aid fixes on band-aid fix that seem to quell those of you who want the game to be easier for you instead of learning how to play the game you want the game to cater to you. This is not what I paid for!

[Belorion]

DeathofSelf, on 05 September 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Well that was a bunch of baseless accusations in regards to Star Citizen (which I didn't even bring up)....

I wasn't accusing SC of anything. I said I am more wary of their intentions than of PGIs.

Aren't we getting fpv only 12 v 12 matches at this point? While not a perfect solution for those not wanting to fight against 3pv it is an option.

I still don't think the little beacon saying here I am offers players much of an advantage, but to each their own opinion.

[Belorion]

Werewolf486, on 05 September 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

It's not about them being a charity, or crying over 3PV. IT IS about them ripping us Founders off who bought into the game with the promises that they gave us, which they have broken by dumbing down the game for a broader player base instead of bringing the play base up to the standards on which the game was promised.

In the end they broke their promises, they ripped off the founders in so many ways, and they seem to be destroying the game for those that bought into it.

Most of their statements were intentions not promises. The only time I know of that they told the user base something definitive we will not/will do was to not force people to play against 3pv, which I stated before I think was wrong of them to do.

[DeathofSelf]

Belorion, on 05 September 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

I wasn't accusing SC of anything. I said I am more wary of their intentions than of PGIs.

Aren't we getting fpv only 12 v 12 matches at this point? While not a perfect solution for those not wanting to fight against 3pv it is an option.

I still don't think the little beacon saying here I am offers players much of an advantage, but to each their own opinion.

Yes 12v12 is 1pv only, and that's all well and good, but it is really hard to get 12 people together.

[-Muta-]

Well...

sorry for all that you have typed and all the time you have invested on this topic but



DEAL WITH IT

You will have to play vs 3PV like it or not hahahahahahaha


PRAAA


OWNED


OKTHXBYE

Edited by Mutaroc, 05 September 2013 - 12:10 PM.

[Belorion]

I don't think that's helping...

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Mutaroc, on 05 September 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Well...

sorry for all that you have typed and all the time you have invested on this topic but



DEAL WITH IT

You will have to play vs 3PV like it or not hahahahahahaha


PRAAA


OWNED


OKTHXBYE

aaaannnnddd...you liked your own post, how pathetic that was, you seemed to have owned yourself on that one! LOL Duh!!

[Warblood]

omg just stop it alrdy... does 3pv really up set u that much..? did u truly buy in to the founders pack just because they said this will b a 1pv mech sim? or cause u got a ton of mechs for doin so? which if u add it up.. if u had to buy them all right now wit mc... u'd prob over pay by a lot more.. and besides most ppl who know of MechWarrior, know it from back in the day an prob played most if not all of them(which had 3pv).. and for most of us.. the sound of a new MechWarrior game after 15 long yrs... well.. were just gonna jump on it.. regardless if its only 1pv or not.. I really don't see the prob. its a P4F game, that's still in the beta's... an ur sayin that it having a 1vp holds a grater value then the ton of mechs/primetime/paints,ect. that u got with ur founders pak..? even if u say: "this is a mech sim it must n only have a 1pv.", n id say y? if itsa sim., don't u think if it was a 1000yrs from now.. we could prob make something like that.. a lil drone that pops out of ur mech to get a diff vantage point view? I don't see y not? it is a 1000yrs in the future.. if they couldn't .. id question how they ever got that far out in space if there drone tech never left the 20th century..

Edited by Warblood, 06 September 2013 - 12:14 PM.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

omg just stop it alrdy...

Nope

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

does 3pv really up set u that much..?

It's upsetting that PGI broke a pillar/Promise made to us in the beginning, it's also a tactical advantage in the hands of players who know how to exploit it.

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

did u truly buy in to the founders pack just because they said this will b a 1pv mech sim?

Partially, yes.

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

or cause u got a ton of mechs for doin so?

A ton of mechs? Um...no...I got one mech, one. I got Premium and MC with it too, but I didn't care about that at that point. The Phoenix pack should make the Legendary Founders very mad since for $40 less you could get 8 more mechs, bays, premium time, but that's a different subject.

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

most ppl who know of MechWarrior, know it from back in the day an prob played most if not all of them(which had 3pv).. and for most of us.. the sound of a new MechWarrior game after 15 long yrs... well.. were just gonna jump on it

I've played every MW title including Mechwarrior Living Legends, I played TT, and that was why I jumped on it too, until they kept breaking their word.

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

.. regardless if its only 1pv or not.. I really don't see the prob. its a P4F game, that's still in the beta's... an ur sayin that it having a 1vp holds a grater value then the ton of mechs/primetime/paints,ect. that u got with ur founders pak..?

I say you don't see the problem because you have 3 posts, and are not a Founder, but most of all because you likly don't care if a promise from PGI gets broken. BETA can't be used as an excuse anymore, it's just a poorly done release. Again, ONE mech, ONE, don't care about premium time (not primetime) and what unlocked paints as we recieved NO unlocked paints. I can't put Founders blue, white, or gold on anything.

Warblood, on 06 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

even if u say: "this is a mech sim it must n only have a 1pv.", n id say y? if itsa sim., don't u think if it was a 1000yrs from now.. we could prob make something like that.. a lil drone that pops out of ur mech to get a diff vantage point view? I don't see y not? it is a 1000yrs in the future.. if they couldn't .. id question how they ever got that far out in space if there drone tech never left the 20th century..

Then it should be distructable, jammed by ECM, disrupted by PPC's, and we should have the ability to hack it. After all don't u think if it was a 1000yrs from now.. we could prob Hack into it?

Look again, it's mainly about the money grab attitude of PGI and the constant broken promises. I especially love Russ saying how 3pv helped his kid, yet you can't see the legs or feet, blatent lie on his part. If you want to be ignorant to the ways of PGI and go blissfully on your way throwing money at them for such a lackluster product go ahead, but after seeing what MWLL's team did with no money I find MWO to be a poor excuse for a MW title and frankly, I along with many are sick of the lies from PGI. As I stated I will continue to play since I have friends and family on here still, but they'll never get any real sums of money out of me again, and I dooubt I will be playing nightly as I use too.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Thay should show some respect to the founders. And make the game thay promised or offer full refound at least.