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[Shadowscythe]

Why would anyone want a Cicada other than looks?
(in BT TT) you can get the same speed on a 35 ton mech and save 3 tons..(you save even more with XL engines). (throw endo internal on both. it goes down to 2.5 difference)

You are basically paying 3 (2.5 with endo) tons for 9 internal points total (not crit slots..hit points) and you can get 16 armor points for 1 ton (and you choose where armor goes). and you save even more if you try to go any faster..

Even the default Jenner has more weapon hardpoints (exept for one of the varients, Just 1 energy mount)..and Jenner has jump jets....

Unless you plan on slowing down the Cicada quite a bit then you get more weight available

Just something to throw out there

Edited by Shadowscythe, 13 June 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

Well, you can slow it down to a Jenners speed and have full armour ie
Cicada CDA 3A

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-E
Production Year: 3049
Cost: 3,817,893 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,199

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 ER PPC
1 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 67 points 2.00
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 9 LT, 2 LL, 1 RL
Engine: Fusion Engine 280 16.00
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 136 8.00
Armor Locations: 12 RT, 1 RA, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 12 17
Center Torso (rear) 6
L/R Torso 10 15
L/R Torso (rear) 5
L/R Arm 6 12
L/R Leg 10 20

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser CT 3 1 1.00
ER PPC LT 15 3 7.00
Free Critical Slots: 15

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 12
7 2 2 1 0 2 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SOA

Seems like reason enough to me.

[Kanatta Jing]

Because the Cicada is the fastest stock Mech that has been released so far?

[Major Tom]

From everything we have heard game-play wise the Cicada will be a colossal flop. As it's high speed and lack of arm mounted weapons will prevent it from accurately targeting enemies on strafing runs. However do not be overly concerned as the Jenner offers a 188% improvement in all applicable performance statistics and will be available at launch.
The grandiose failure of the Cicada mech will not be held against PGI staff members, since no one could have anticipated that a nearly identical mech 5 tons lighter and released 10 months earlier could have over shadowed, and made moot the release of the Cicada.

[Insidious Johnson]

Shadowscythe, on 13 June 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Why?

Why not! If the TRO fits (the timeline) wear it. So FEW mechs are available in 3048 compared to BT as a whole. Take what I can get.

[Full Metal Monte]

It's the fastest mech available. I'm not sure how the mechlab will work but if you can't get a jenner, raven, or commando up to this speed, there's our answer.

[CeeKay Boques]

When you absolutely, positively must get to the objective on time.

[Shadowscythe]

Nik Van Rhijn, on 13 June 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Well, you can slow it down to a Jenners speed and have full armour ie
Cicada CDA 3A

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere

Chassis: Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 67 points 2.00
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 9 LT, 2 LL, 1 RL
Engine: Fusion Engine 280 16.00
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 0

So basically to slow it down?

Hmmmm. yep the Cicada does go back to + 1 ton (with endo steel on)
Yep gets more tons the slower you take the Cicada compared to the jenner

[Vulpesveritas]

What about it's variants, such as the one pictured?

• CDA-2B - The -2B variant of the Cicada is a simple upgrade that exchanges the Small Laser for a Flamer. This modification makes the Cicada effective against infantry. BV (1.0) = 523, BV (2.0) = 626 ^[2]

• CDA-3C - The -3C Cicada is an attempt to allow the 'Mech to have a much greater reach with devastating results. To do this, the maximum speed has been reduced to 118.8 kph and the Medium Lasers have been replaced with two Machine Guns and the Small Laser has been replaced with a PPC. BV (1.0) = 656, BV (2.0) = 771 ^[2]

• CDA-3F - The -3F Cicada is one of the most advanced versions of this 'Mech and was designed following the Clan Invasion. The chassis has been constructed using Endo Steel construction techniques and the 'Mech is protected with six and a half tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor. The -3F is powered by an extralight engine, can jump up to two hundred and forty meters, and carries a weapons loadout that appears to be a cross between the -2A and -3C models. The primary weapon is an ER PPC, which is backed up by two Medium Lasers. BV (1.0) = 1,202, BV (2.0) = 1,329^[3]

• CDA-3G - Based off of the same chassis as the 3F, the 3G trades in the PPC for an ER Large Laser, a Beagle Active Probe, and additional armor. BV (1.0) = ??, BV (2.0) = 1,270 ^[3]

• CDA-3M - The -3M upgrade of this older BattleMech uses some of the newest technology available in 3050. The engine has been upgraded to an extralight engine and the extra space has been used to upgrade the Small Laser to a Small Pulse Laser and also to add an Ultra Autocannon/5, as well as CASE to protect the 'Mech in the case of an ammunition explosion. BV (1.0) = 664, BV (2.0) = 812 ^[3]

• CDA-3MA - This variation of the 3M swaps the autocannon for a Snub-Nose PPC and additional armor. This version helps to introduce new technology to cadets. BV (1.0) = ??, BV (2.0) = 1,158^[3]

• CDA-3P - An upgrade of the 3M, the 3P lowers the 'Mech's top speed to 119 km/h to upgrade the autocannon to a Heavy PPC. The lasers are replaced with four ER Medium Lasers. Additional armor is added, though not as much as with the 3MA. BV (1.0) = ??, BV (2.0) = 1,502 ^[3]

Note that the 3M variant has already been confirmed by the devs.... so yeah. Can you put an AC on a Jenner?

[Shadowscythe]

confirmed where?

[Vulpesveritas]

Shadowscythe, on 13 June 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

confirmed where?

3M variant is the concept art...
And from here; http://mwomercs.com/...a/page__st__100

Alex Iglesias, on 09 May 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

it is the 3m

triple barreled weapon is the uac-5

[Kanatta Jing]

The Cicada in the artwork is the 3M with the Ultra AC/5 and the XL engine.

The most advanced version of the Jenner Variant in this Era looks like it's just a Ferro Fibrous upgrade.

Depending how this game is designed the Jenner could be a bit of a suckers bet for the long haul.

[Shadowscythe]

so you are basing "confirmed" on concept art?

[Vulpesveritas]

Shadowscythe, on 13 June 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

so you are basing "confirmed" on concept art?

And from here; http://mwomercs.com/...a/page__st__100

Alex Iglesias, on 09 May 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

it is the 3m

triple barreled weapon is the uac-5

[Shadowscythe]

edit YAY!

had to scroll down a bit

at first all it did was go to a reply that had a sarna link lol

then I thought. "I can post a link to sarna, doesn't mean it is in the game" lol

I really do want there to be balance in the game

there is some hope yet

Edited by Shadowscythe, 13 June 2012 - 11:28 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Shadowscythe, on 13 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

edit YAY!

had to scroll down a bit

at first all it did was go to a reply that had a sarna link lol

then I thought. "I can post a link to sarna, doesn't mean it is in the game" lol

I really do want there to be balance in the game

there is some hope yet

Part of me wants to turn it into a heavier, faster hollander.
The rational part of me wants to remove the UAC/5, run 1 PPC and 2 mlas, and upgrade to DHS.

[Shadowscythe]

hollonders can be fun Gauss is by far my favorite balistic weapon of this time in the timeline

[Karl Streiger]

Don't want to troll...but it is the same question as Why a Centurion -> you have a Hunchback on the short end and a Dragon and the mobile long end.
Why the Commando - in comparison with the Jenner
Until you see how it perform on the MWO battlefield we should stop finding reasons why a mech is worthless or why not

maybe the Cicada can turn 180° with topspeed of 120 kph in less than a seconds - while the Atlas may need 5s to do so - so you have overall 4s to pump the broad back of an Atlas with high velocity AP rounds

[Hayden]

"Variety is the Spice of Battle"

Edited by Hayden, 13 June 2012 - 11:36 PM.

[Vander StarStrife]

http://mwowiki.org/i...title=Main_Page ............ has a list of all 12 confirmed mechs