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[JagerShots]

I own a HGN-HM, HGN-733C, JM6-FB, JM6-DD, JM6-S, DGN-5N©, SDR-5K, oh and a KTO-18.

I've mastered the Jager and I rarely rank below top 3 with either of my variants, I stated playing about a month ago. To keep a long story short between my Jagers and my highlanders I have the most experience in those mechs, having said that, I do well in my spider, my Dragon (yes Dragon) and what prompted me to post this the most, my relatively new, post patch Kintaro.

When I say "I do well," I mean avg of several kills, 7+ assists and ~500 dmg minimum, I have begun to believe that my strength and survivability lies with my piloting ability and knowledge of the game (I play forza 4, SC2, BF3 and other games which require a respectable "learning curve" in order to be satifyingly rewarded (own everyone). I say that because I didn't find this MWO learning curve surprising, I think it makes a lot of sense.

My KTO is a 5 SSRM 2MLS roadster with a 360xl

My Jagers are dual LBX10 + 6MLS, 3UAC5, and a wildcard I do what I want with,

My Heavy Metal was a brawler turned ALRMS40 boat and it can do 900+ on a good day.. I'm not a huge fan of the passive play however..

I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference between me and you? Truly to the point, I bought the KTO-18 out of curiosity, I asked is it really as bad as they say it is? My findings say no, I move a lot (and fast) already at 106kph with few tweaks.. with the speed tweak it will be running at 122kph, thats a few clicks slower than my spider, I think that sounds like a lot of fun.

By that logic, and what I found doing my own research.. I have to ask.. are any of these mechs truly as bad as you all say they are? I bought a QKD on my first acct because it had a high appeal: fast, JJets, decent tonnage, (I didn't know what most of it meant at the time) but whenI bought it I still SUCKED as a pilot, therefore my QKD sucked and I hated it, I'm almost tempted to buy one again to see how I can do with my current skill level.

Anyway, I emplore you all to believe in a build and practice with it, don't expect to win every game because you made the best mech, you're basically just another COD team member at the end of the day so act like you are as vulnerable as a human on the battlefield, learn how to optimize your engagements.. THEN and only then.. should you post complaints to the forums.

o7

[JagerShots]

Forgot to clarify..The KTO doesn't just go fast it kills big guys and small guys too..

[Astrolux]

JagerShots, on 05 September 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Forgot to clarify..The KTO doesn't just go fast it kills big guys and small guys too..

No it doesn't. If you're killing big guys with a streak kintaro you're playing in a abysmally low ELO bracket.

[Wintersdark]

Astrolux, on 05 September 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

No it doesn't. If you're killing big guys with a streak kintaro you're playing in a abysmally low ELO bracket.

In an "even" (read: I'm not wrecked already at the start of the duel) fight, piloting a Heavy or Assault, if someone killed me in a Streak Kintaro I'd be deeply, deeply ashamed.

A Streak Kintaro chainfiring SSRM's, supporting someone who can actually do focused damage is dangerous (much like a streak A1 supporting someone else); but then, two of any mech working together are dangerous. The cockpit shake is annoying, but only particularly effective against newer players who don't understand that while it's hard to see, the shake is purely visual and does not impact your aim.

Streaks simply are not a threat to large mechs - they do little damage, and it's spread randomly. Two ML's will takes *ages* to burn through torso armor, and while the XL360 Kintaro is speedy, it's not going to stay in any reasonable heavy/assaults rear.

Edited by Wintersdark, 05 September 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[mike29tw]

First giving examples showing that OP is an experienced gamer and a fast learner that excels at many different skill-based games. Then I read this.

JagerShots, on 05 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

My KTO is a 5 SSRM 2MLS roadster with a 360xl

If you need to boat SSRM to do good in Kintaro, you're not very convincing.
I'm disappointed.

[Wintersdark]

Anyways, more on point:

There are four primary factors to your performance on the battlefield.

1) You. Your skill, teamwork, leadership, etc. This is not just how good you are at stomy robots, but how well you work with others even when it's not easy.
2) Your team. I never, ever blame my team - that's the epitome of terrible sportsmanship - but the reality is that all teams are not equal. If you've got a team that just can't work together, it's going to affect how well you can play.
3) Your mech. There are good chassis, and there are bad chassis. This isn't really up for debate - while the particulars will vary depending on playstyle and objectives, the reality is that some mechs are simply objectively poor choices, either because they are downright terrible, or just a poor selection in a weight class with far better options (you take a Dragon, opposing team gets an Ilya).
4) Your build. There are good builds, there are bad builds, and there's a whoooooole huge world of grey in between.

Now, with that said, what most people tend to get all hung up on is that these four factors are not created equal. #1 probably amounts to 50% of your total performance; and impacts other things (Good leadership can improve your whole team's teamwork, for example).

Aside from taking leadership upon yourself - and being good at it, not swearing at people who **** you off - there's really nothing you can do about #2 other than cooperating with them as much as possible.

I'll skip #3 for a moment, and go to #4. So long as you have a decent build, the actual gameplay difference between a decent build and a highly optimized build is very small, everything else considered. Minor player skill differences are vastly more influential than minor build flaws.

Now, #4. This is, in my opinion, one of the lowest contributing factors. A skilled pilot in an Awesome will beat the pants off of an average pilot in any other mech, any time. That's just a cold, hard fact. Player skill is critically important in MWO. While there are good mechs, and there are bad mechs, even the worst mechs modify your overall performance by a small margin compared to how much skill matters.

With that said, if you and your opponent are equally skilled, with equally optimized builds? The guy in a Stalker is going to roflstomp the guy in the Awesome into the dirt. (Un?)fortunately players are almost never equally skilled.

[Hans Von Lohman]

The Kentaro was bad before this last patch.

Now it is a decent mech, and seems to be an SRM or Streak boat as it has all of those missile launchers on it.

It is still a bad mech, though. I know it is bad. You know how I know?

It is ugly as hell.

Seriously, if you give me a free Kentaro as a gift I will go to your house and <censored> <censored> <censored> <censored>, and then I will <censored> <censored> <censored> <censored> until the handle breaks off.

[Effectz]

Streak Kintaro,

Lol.

[Corvus Antaka]

A mech is only as bad as his pilot.

Every mech has strengths and weaknesses.

[Royalewithcheese]

Good or semi-good players will demolish pugs in basically anything. That doesn't mean their pug-demolishing tool was necessarily the most efficient thing they could have used to do it with.

[General Taskeen]

"how many missiles can i haz on ma mech? 6?"

"All of the streaks!"

Point, Click, Shoot. Easy.

[JagerShots]

Again, I made the streaky KTO as an experiment, (is it really as bad as they say it is). My findings were that it is as capable as any other mech I have as far as balance is concerned.. People think JG6 and HGN mechs are top tier and even OP sometimes.. So since I do really well (in PUG, i assume most of the forum balance tears come from PUG players) with top tier mechs, I should not be able to do as well in a substandard mech like the KTO right? I found that to be wrong. I don't think its OP, I just used words like capable, sustainable, you can't run into a team of 12 mechs all gung-ho even in an Atlas without being gunned down in 10 seconds.

Let me reiterate, I used to cry about my QKD, the first mech I purchased, but now I know it's because I sucked back then, If I came running to the forums and blaming PGI then, I'd probably be blaming them for my poor play still.

[Hillslam]

OT:

[Suko]

For having only played for 1 month, you sure do have a good understanding of all the nuance terms and acronyms we use here in this game. I have a difficult time believing most of what you say, but I do agree that people overall do need to get better at this game.

Edited by ShadowVFX, 06 September 2013 - 12:07 PM.

[Tezcatli]

He's just saying people should really try to acclimate themselves to a mech before griping about it or a particular weapon.

[BillyM]

JagerShots, on 05 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

I own a HGN-HM, HGN-733C, JM6-FB, JM6-DD, JM6-S, DGN-5N©, SDR-5K, oh and a KTO-18.

I've mastered the Jager and I rarely rank below top 3 with either of my variants, I stated playing about a month ago. To keep a long story short between my Jagers and my highlanders I have the most experience in those mechs, having said that, I do well in my spider, my Dragon (yes Dragon) and what prompted me to post this the most, my relatively new, post patch Kintaro.

When I say "I do well," I mean avg of several kills, 7+ assists and ~500 dmg minimum, I have begun to believe that my strength and survivability lies with my piloting ability and knowledge of the game...

500dmg/game minimum-average?

Sweet, take a screenshot of your stat page if you would, I'd love to see it.

(AKA, no... you don't...)

--billyM

[ExplodedZombie]

My Kintaro-18 rocks 2 ALRM15s and does usually 350-700 damage in a match. I think it's a fine mech for this purpose, especially when they put in drop weight limits. I rarely get more than 1 kill but that's ok.

Also, people who do mega-high damage in games aren't necessarily good. Maybe they just suck at aiming. Should take little damage to kill someone.

[Gremlich Johns]

And how many of us can claim that our kills are the result of only our damage -- all the damage coming from your one mech. It happens, but how often. I cannot count how many mechs I've "stolen" (not my intent, mind you, just happenstance).

OP, those 7 kills are pretty good, but you had some help getting them.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowVFX, on 06 September 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

For having only played for 1 month, you sure do have a good understanding of all the nuance terms and acronyms we use here in this game. I have a difficult time believing most of what you say, but I do agree that people overall do need to get better at this game.

my thoughts exactly.

Apparently, we are not just dealing with a badazz, but a regular prodigy. Someone should start taking notes!

[JagerShots]

What I am is a fan, plain and simple. It's been all MWO since day 1, I love this game, it feels like it jumped straight out of my imagination. I want to protect it, I guess that's why I'm here.. also I'm not an *****, pardon me if I sound pretentious but with all the whine in the forums why bastardize the one anti-whine discussion and cast it off as an attempt to massage my ego.

I don't have all the perspectives, I have a good rig to play on and a decent router, maybe some of you truly are experiencing some game breaking technical issues that i'm not. Maybe you old timers are jaded, i notice a lot of comments about my only having played for 1 month like a bunch of 'nam veterans telling the wet behind the ears rookie that he hasn't seen anything yet.. Anyway, all I'm really saying is that the KTO has a bad rep here, I bought one, it's not terrible.. what gives??

Discussion points

- Has anyone else experienced this with a KTO?

- has anyone had success with a different chassis that has a bad rep like the QKD?

- offer insights/relative stories

- say something interesting

Not-discussion points

- OP

- OP's badassness

- OP's hairstyle