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[Kenaris]

BDU Havoc, on 14 June 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

IMO, it's not cheating. It might be unethical but not cheating. You're using the system exactly as it was designed.

Right now I have 3 accounts. I opened the first under the name I have always used in every MW incarnation that has been out (except for MPBT: 3025 where the special characters weren't allowed).
I opened another account under this current name so someone wouldn't try and claim it under a unit they didn't belong to, and opened another under DC_Havoc which was the name I went by while playing MPBT:3025 and several members here may or not remember me by.

If by some stupid fluke all 3 accounts get invited to beta (none of them have BTW, damnit.) am I cheating because I have more that 1 account opened

RedDragon, on 14 June 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Well, you don't have to register all accounts for Beta, do you?

Yes it is cheating if you made three accounts for just the names i can see that but if you registered all three accounts for beta you knew what you where doing.. not like you would get ''lucky'' and get three beta keys on accident.

But since you where so kind to list all three of your accounts it wouldn't be hard for the Devs to disqualify all three from beta access and i hope that's what they do.

So good luck with the 4th account you open up cause i am sure that's what you will do now.

[GHQCommander]

Someone said they have 3 accounts.

Any takers on 4?

[Havyek]

GHQCommander, on 14 June 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

So in your eyes Unethical and Cheating are not the same thing?

That is very interesting actually, there is a debate in there I think

I think it is cheating, ye its cheating. The forum offers no service that would require anyone to make more than one account and so the only reason for more than one is to try to beat others. However this is not a game or a competition.

I would really have to question if you want to get beta access because you are very keen on writing a lot of bug reports or do you just want to play the game badly?

Ok, using myself as an example, I signed up with all 3 accounts back in Nov 2011 when I found the forum for the reasons specified (not wanting others to use a name I have used and made a reputation for. Maybe selfish, but whatever).

I signed up for Beta under the account that I was primarily using. Then the devs renamed many account names due to the fact that you could originally register with characters that the game would not support.
Not being satisfied with that, and having seen the devs state that they would NOT be renaming accounts, I started using another that I had created. Then signed up for beta under that account (I didn't activate or sign up using the third).

Did I knowingly create 3 accounts for this forum? Yes.
Did I create them to increase my chances for getting into a beta that had not yet been announced? No.

[Lightfoot]

I would imagine your IP is logged. I wouldn't do it anyway though, doesn't seem honorable and all true MechWarriors understand honor. I can wait, heck I just waited 10 years.

Edited by Lightfoot, 14 June 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[GHQCommander]

Nairdowell, on 14 June 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Cheating, hacks, etc were what drove me aware from a number of online games (including MechCommander) in years past... For a skill based game, I would rather have someone buy superior equipment from the game inself rather than use hacks and cheat codes... even using a glitch for benefit, especially if not reported, is cheating....

And if you check the definition (Wikipedia used below):

Cheating

Cheating refers to an immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process.

I would not want a cheater in my ranks were I leading a House, in my company leading Mercs, or even on my team in a pickup. In other games, when the cheat in question does not one-shot me, I will target that player to destruction even if on my side....

Having a "back-up" account, for experimenting and such, is an accepted practice... loading up the account servers with bogus accounts because someone is too impatient to join a Beta test group? Ridiculous!

I would also agree that cheating is within the wider concept of ethics. Someone said that it may be unethical but not cheating, interesting and also scary in a way. Someone said it may be unethical because they made 3 accounts, but they did not think it is cheating to do so.

Ethics out of the window there.

BDU Havoc, on 14 June 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

Ok, using myself as an example, I signed up with all 3 accounts back in Nov 2011 when I found the forum for the reasons specified (not wanting others to use a name I have used and made a reputation for. Maybe selfish, but whatever).

I signed up for Beta under the account that I was primarily using. Then the devs renamed many account names due to the fact that you could originally register with characters that the game would not support.
Not being satisfied with that, and having seen the devs state that they would NOT be renaming accounts, I started using another that I had created. Then signed up for beta under that account (I didn't activate or sign up using the third).

Did I knowingly create 3 accounts for this forum? Yes.
Did I create them to increase my chances for getting into a beta that had not yet been announced? No.

Yes that is a good point.

Blow up anyones mech who copies my name, can't see that happening though "GHQCommander" Games-HQ.com Owner in otherwords lol

[Nexx Nisshoko]

GHQCommander, on 14 June 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Is it alright to have 25 accounts in the hope one will get a beta key or should I close 24 of them?

Seriously, i don't have 25, I have one. But I'm curious to how many have more than one and what percentage of this forums users are duplicates. I have more than one computer, I'm a web developer so can use an endless number of domains for email address and so on.

Care to speculate?

Also, what are the chances of someone having getting 2 x beta access, I'm thinking low but still, not impossible right?

Is it cheating? (I think so, i think it is an abuse of the service)

I have two accounts, I plan to pay for and use both of them. I wanted to keep my two pilots / factions separate in a house, so creating multiple accounts is not necessarily cheating. I have two PCs so I also posted one of each for BETA with different specs in the event that one does not meet the hardware requirements.

If i did happen to receive two keys (yea right) I would simply give one to someone else, most likely someone who isn’t making a fuss.

I do find all this drama over this quite hysterical though, I mean really all this is really about is people can’t wait one more month to play a game they have already waited a decade for. It’s not like anyone here is going to make the game saving discovery that changes the game forever, have a little patience peeps and try to have a little fun while we wait for pure epic awesomeness next month!

[CharonJr]

As mentioned before I agree that creating multiple forum accounts is not cheating, but registering more than one of them for beta is since it DOES give an unfair advantage over everybody not doing this.

Due to this I hope that IP and system specs are taken into consideration when handing out keys.

[Nexx Nisshoko]

Jade Kitsune, on 14 June 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Holy mother of god?

W..what kind of self entitled, ******* are you? I mean seriously, I'm not one to attack a person generally, but 25 accounts in the hopes of getting a beta key? I'm just as desperate as anyone, but that's a clear abuse of resources, AND quite frankly, shows you have NO regard for the community at large.

I honestly, hope that the Devs IP block and ban you for bs like this.

He doesn’t have 25 accounts, it is a hypothetical.

[Major Tom]

CharonJr, on 14 June 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

As mentioned before I agree that creating multiple forum accounts is not cheating, but registering more than one of them for beta is since it DOES give an unfair advantage over everybody not doing this.
Due to this I hope that IP and system specs are taken into consideration when handing out keys.

...but registering more than one of them for beta is since it DOES give a statistical advantage over everybody not doing this

There is nothing unfair about it. It is just like buying a lottery tickets, buying 2 doesn't give you an unfair advantage.

And if they only granted 1 beta per IP, they would be unfairly excluding people who share and IP, like people who registered from a computer cafe, or work, or roomates, or anyone sharing the same internet connection.

Edited by Major Tom, 14 June 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[pursang]

Jade Kitsune, on 14 June 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Holy mother of god?

W..what kind of self entitled, ******* are you? I mean seriously, I'm not one to attack a person generally, but 25 accounts in the hopes of getting a beta key? I'm just as desperate as anyone, but that's a clear abuse of resources, AND quite frankly, shows you have NO regard for the community at large.

I honestly, hope that the Devs IP block and ban you for bs like this.

You may want to re-read the OP.

[Kaskelotti]

I have 2 accounts, but the other one i'm not using.

Kinda accidently made this one and noticed I already have an account, that I didn't remember making.

I don't use the other account though and haven't updated it for beta either, so it just sit's here unused...

Might start playing though, when the clan invasion starts.

[CharonJr]

Well, it is part of the business model for the lottery to SELL more than one ticket to a single person, but this is not true for a beta.

But I agree that IP should not be the only stat checked, that is why I said IP AND system specs.

And yeah, I know that if people really want to, they can find ways around this, too, but it is at least making it harder - at least to create a large number of beta applications.

[RedDragon]

Major Tom, on 14 June 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

There is nothing unfair about it. It is just like buying a lottery tickets, buying 2 doesn't give you an unfair advantage.

Nah, it's more like going to a homeless shelter, and after getting food for the first time, you get in line for a second serving. It's not forbidden, but it's generally accepted that you don't do it.
Following your logic, we should all make multiple accounts, the number only limited by the time and effort we want to put in it.
Making other accounts may not be cheating and it's not forbidden, but there is a general consensus of not doing it. So it's less "unfair" to do it (since we all could in theory), but rather "ethically wrong". If we all would do it, this would frekk up the whole forum and beta process, so the "normal" people refrain from doing it.

[predxen]

cw roy, on 14 June 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

I figure they can tell which accounts have the same IP addresses logging in to the to check on beta status, so I'm betting having multiple accounts usually ends up in the person being removed from the drawing. Or I hope this happened to at least one cheater.

Unless they only check the email accounts.

[Major Tom]

RedDragon, on 14 June 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Nah, it's more like going to a homeless shelter, and after getting food for the first time, you get in line for a second serving. It's not forbidden, but it's generally accepted that you don't do it.
Following your logic, we should all make multiple accounts, the number only limited by the time and effort we want to put in it.
Making other accounts may not be cheating and it's not forbidden, but there is a general consensus of not doing it. So it's less "unfair" to do it (since we all could in theory), but rather "ethically wrong". If we all would do it, this would frekk up the whole forum and beta process, so the "normal" people refrain from doing it.

I'm not sure if this is your first MMO, but most other games allow mutiple characters per account. MWO does not. So if plan on playing multiple factions and want to reserve names the only option is to create multiple accounts.

And do you know why PGI hasn't comment or shut this thread down? because they know that some people making multiple accounts will also be making multiple cash shop or founders pack purchases. It would be stupid to turn away potential sales, just because someone else feels those people have an unfair advantage in the beta lottery.

[Azantia]

Nairdowell, on 14 June 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Cheating, hacks, etc were what drove me aware from a number of online games (including MechCommander) in years past... For a skill based game, I would rather have someone buy superior equipment from the game inself rather than use hacks and cheat codes... even using a glitch for benefit, especially if not reported, is cheating....

And if you check the definition (Wikipedia used below):

Cheating

Cheating refers to an immoral way of achieving a goal. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation. The rules infringed may be explicit, or they may be from an unwritten code of conduct based on morality, ethics or custom, making the identification of cheating a subjective process.

I would not want a cheater in my ranks were I leading a House, in my company leading Mercs, or even on my team in a pickup. In other games, when the cheat in question does not one-shot me, I will target that player to destruction even if on my side....

Having a "back-up" account, for experimenting and such, is an accepted practice... loading up the account servers with bogus accounts because someone is too impatient to join a Beta test group? Ridiculous!

Well spoken.....welcome to the reason why I hate a majority of people. At their very core, most people make me sick.
Welcome to the new world. You can thank all the worthless parents of the world for re-producing too many times and polluting society with degenerates.

[RedDragon]

Major Tom, on 14 June 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I'm not sure if this is your first MMO, but most other games allow mutiple characters per account. MWO does not. So if plan on playing multiple factions and want to reserve names the only option is to create multiple accounts.

And do you know why PGI hasn't comment or shut this thread down? because they know that some people making multiple accounts will also be making multiple cash shop or founders pack purchases. It would be stupid to turn away potential sales, just because someone else feels those people have an unfair advantage in the beta lottery.

Again, you don't have to register every account for the beta. Having multiple accounts is fine (and not restricted by the Code of Conduct). But registering more than one for beta is morally questionable IMO.

[Major Tom]

RedDragon, on 14 June 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

Again, you don't have to register every account for the beta. Having multiple accounts is fine (and not restricted by the Code of Conduct). But registering more than one for beta is morally questionable IMO.

immoral? I suppose it is probably inappropriate to purchase multiple founders packs from your narrow perspective as well.

[Rougeskra]

Anyway there is always those looking for the edge, (cheating) weither it be have a ton of accounts or writing macro's to hack the game for advantage. It's the later that I hate the most. I hope the DEV'S have really tighten the net to prevent this. But all know the old saying, "If you don;t want your system hacked for sure, DON"T PLUG IT IN!!"

[alben5k]

What about people who have the same first and last name? What about the John Smiths of the world? You can't use real name and count it as one person, you have to count each account as a unique entity and assume it's a different person. Even if you took the middle name into account, there are a lot of people that share all three names.