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[Godimas]

Any word on a Raven hero mech yet? As its an already released chassis, it doesn't really fit into the current mech release strategy (hero, mc, cbill)... but it would still be nice to get one! I'm hoping its a SR myself.

• RVN-SR - This variant is a field upgrade made by Capellan March forces who captured many Ravens during Operation Sovereign Justice. This modification of the -3L replaces the lasers and TAG with four Machine Guns linked to a Machine Gun Array to protect it from the infantry assaults that resulted in the capture of the 'Mechs to begin with.

Edited by Godimas, 08 September 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[Foxfire]

They need to fix the non 3L variants before they do a hero variant... and this coming from someone who is a main Raven pilot.

While I'd love to have a Raven hero mech.. I think it'd be better if they fixed the 4X(which is closer to what you are talking about anyways) and 2X by removing the arbitrary engine limitation.

[Jin Ma]

[Godimas]

Foxfire, on 08 September 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

They need to fix the non 3L variants before they do a hero variant... and this coming from someone who is a main Raven pilot.

While I'd love to have a Raven hero mech.. I think it'd be better if they fixed the 4X(which is closer to what you are talking about anyways) and 2X by removing the arbitrary engine limitation.

Whats the engine limitation? Im a 3L pilot myself, so don't use the others at all.

[FupDup]

Godimas, on 08 September 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Whats the engine limitation? Im a 3L pilot myself, so don't use the others at all.

The 2X and 4X can't mount engines higher than 245.

[Foxfire]

FupDup, on 08 September 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

The 2X and 4X can't mount engines higher than 245.

This..

The 2X and 4X are weak as light mechs because of the speed limitation imposed by the engine limitation. This, combined with the inharent weaknesses of the Raven hit boxes post fix(huge leg hitboxes, giant rear CT hit box) make those two chasis fairly weak in the current game. You can do well if you are ignored but most people see a Raven and hone in on them almost as fast as they do on Spiders and the X variants don't have the speed to deal with that.

Edited by Foxfire, 08 September 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Godimas]

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The 2X and 4X are weak as light mechs because of the speed limitation imposed by the engine limitation. This, combined with the inharent weaknesses of the Raven hit boxes post fix(huge leg hitboxes, giant rear CT hit box) make those two chasis fairly weak in the current game. You can do well if you are ignored but most people see a Raven and hone in on them almost as fast as they do on Spiders and the X variants don't have the speed to deal with that.

Well then... glad im a 3L pilot Thats rough. Wonder what the reasoning for that was...

Edited by Godimas, 08 September 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Capellan ECM Mech.... Hero Mech.... Kinda an oxymoron, ain't it?

Would be the first of a new breed maybe... Coward Mechs? Could add a hero DDC, Cicada and Spider to the rolls.

But in all seriousness, the likelihood would be a non ECM variant, to reduce P2W complaints.

[Fred013]

The Raven is the oldest mech not to get a hero. Probably because people would say that it's better than the X variants, and therefore P2W. Other mechs in line are the Spider, Trebuchet, Blackjack, and Quickdraw in that order.

[AlexEss]

Actually i think the four are older... But it is the oldest of the "new" mechs. Problem is that it is fairly well balanced (apart from the engine cap) so it is hard to introduce a Hero mech that does something "new" without making the regular ones obsolete.(the so called Jenner thesis) add on the fact that Lights are the least played class and it does not lok very promising.

[GrandLocomon]

That mech isn't within the timeline (is it? At any rate they can make up an imaginary hero like x-5 and ilya muromets). However, how could anyone think a raven with no energy hardpoints could be P2W? It would have 4 ballistic and 2 missile (minimum) and therefore would be pretty sucky even though it would have ECM (I'd still probably buy it; I'd definitely buy it if they gave it 6 ballistics for MG lolz).

Edited by GrandLocomon, 09 September 2013 - 03:12 AM.

[Godimas]

GrandLocomon, on 09 September 2013 - 03:09 AM, said:

That mech isn't within the timeline (is it? At any rate they can make up an imaginary hero like x-5 and ilya muromets). However, how could anyone think a raven with no energy hardpoints could be P2W? It would have 4 ballistic and 2 missile (minimum) and therefore would be pretty sucky even though it would have ECM (I'd still probably buy it; I'd definitely buy it if they gave it 6 ballistics for MG lolz).

srms to strip armor and then let the dakka fly Looking at the hero mechs we have now, there are holes in the 30 ton range, and 100 ton range...
http://mwomercs.com/...attlemechs/hero
... which is why I was wondering in the first place. Would be nice to get a hero DDC too I suppose, or they could keep with the current release model and give us out king crab!

[GrandLocomon]

Godimas, on 09 September 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

srms to strip armor and then let the dakka fly Looking at the hero mechs we have now, there are holes in the 30 ton range, and 100 ton range...
http://mwomercs.com/...attlemechs/hero
... which is why I was wondering in the first place. Would be nice to get a hero DDC too I suppose, or they could keep with the current release model and give us out king crab!

There is a very simple reason for this. Money!!!! Light mech heroes don't cost much MC, yet (probably) cost just as much money to design/implement and probably won't sell as much = less profit. A hero atlas on the other hand, can not be bought with the $30 MC package (which is the most often bought package and it would cost 500MC over that) and so would also probably suffer fairly low sales due to being the most expensive mech possible, while not being as good as the DDC to use (other wise people will complain of pay2win). {EDIT} Actually, heavy metal also cost over the $30 package and sold a lot, but that was clever marketing by making it the only way to buy a highlander for quite a while (I think it was 2 weeks).

Edited by GrandLocomon, 09 September 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[Godimas]

GrandLocomon, on 09 September 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

There is a very simple reason for this. Money!!!! Light mech heroes don't cost much MC, yet (probably) cost just as much money to design/implement and probably won't sell as much = less profit. A hero atlas on the other hand, can not be bought with the $30 MC package (which is the most often bought package and it would cost 500MC over that) and so would also probably suffer fairly low sales due to being the most expensive mech possible, while not being as good as the DDC to use (other wise people will complain of pay2win). {EDIT} Actually, heavy metal also cost over the $30 package and sold a lot, but that was clever marketing by making it the only way to buy a highlander for quite a while (I think it was 2 weeks).

You make some good points. Also, the Raven does not have the new weapon model system added onto it yet either (machine guns look like machine guns, Gauss look like gauss, ect...) so maybe they are waiting for that too?
I would also counter the not making much money by saying that the volume of potential sales would make up for it. While I don't have any hard numbers or data to back that up, other then personal observation, I can say that based what I have seen the Raven is dam popular. And im pretty sure that if built with ECM, a Raven hero would sell like hot cakes ^.^