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[InnerSphereNews]

Thur. June 14, 3049: “Men for Equality” march in the capital of the Magistracy of Canopus demanding “equality” in that matriarchal society.

[Veggies]

Fight the power, men of canopus!

[Adridos]

They lost the fight before they even started it. I feel sorry for them.

[Thorn Hallis]

This group is probably full of husbands.

[pursang]

Huh? Ooohhhh...

[whiskey tango foxtrot]

Cut off forever............lol

[TKG]

The 'stay-at-home' Hubby brigade eh?

[Gouty]

See this is what happens when you give them too much free time. And anyway what are they doing out of their sheds?

[Waladil]

It's rainin' men... hallelujah it's rainin' men...

[Eximar]

The same thing that happens whenever women figure out they have half the money and all the pie.

[Jess Hazen]

i'm all for equal treatment but equal rights is seriously one of the worst ideas in history.

edit: it would be awesome to be a stay at home dad imo.

Edited by Jess Hazen, 14 June 2012 - 05:06 PM.

[Risky]

Dude, that'd be awesome.

[SnakeTheFox]

My dream is to wake up in the morning in a world where the women do all the work, start all the conversation, and buy all the drinks. I mean society was patriarchal for like, what? The dawn of civilization, for the most part? We've earned a break.

[Dameon Avante]

For those thinking stay at home dad would be awesome, I'll let you in on a few secrets:
1: you do the moms work (ex: cook, clean, change diapers, vacuumb, wash cloths, etc...)
2: kids dont start pre-school for 3 to 5 years, and 5 yrs they get to go to kindergarden which is like...an hour of getting them ready in the morning, 3 to 4 hours of school, and then their home, so maybe 3 hours of time to do said work listed above.
3: now the downsides
A: you also have to do the man work. your wife won't be cleaning gutters, or drywalling, or roofing. Most likely you also get your dads old work like lawn, cars, and general maintenance. cause....well, you have all that time at home to do all those things and save money for repair costs, repairmen, and general construction workers. also, try doing that with kids circling the ladder, dipping hands in the paint, trying to grab the electrical wires, etc...
B: like your mom (maybe); your wife makes the money, and if you try to spend $80 on a video game...she may call you on it...because she works hard all day for you to spend $ on carp like that??? go back to work if thats how you want to blow the hard earned $.
C: good luck trying to have any hand in finances, so when she wants a new dress, new shoes, and all that and leaves you supermarket money, your in trouble. find a woman that hates to spend cash if this is your dream job.
D: and now the most important part: its hard to have a hand up in the relationship when she makes the $. so you better have an A++ romance and bedroom routine cause otherwise she will be way too "tired" "stresses" and "aggrivated - that you didnt get laundry, roof, yard, car, dinner....etc...etc.." and your love life will be left to begging and handouts.
4: being a stay at home dad rocks when your kids start playing ball with you, mimic you, and look up to you.
5: being a stay at home husband to a wife with no kids = snoopy dance LOL thats the fun.

This has been a friendly message from an X general to the MoC whatup btech3025 and miss ya kell hounds of 3056 MUhahahahaha

[Adridos]

Jess Hazen, on 14 June 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

i'm all for equal treatment but equal rights is seriously one of the worst ideas in history.

Well, it's not equal rights, it's more women rights. They got an international day, we don't, never ever did feminists say something about loosing priviledges like priority when entering a car, building, etc. or any other, but yes, we treat them with disrespect.

Edited by Adridos, 15 June 2012 - 03:50 AM.

[SamHood]

Well, this is what happens when you let Oprah run an interstellar empire.

[TG Xarbala]

Adridos, on 15 June 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Well, it's not equal rights, it's more women rights. They got an international day, we don't, never ever did feminists say something about loosing priviledges like priority when entering a car, building, etc. or any other, but yes, we treat them with disrespect.

Long story short, the point about cultural privilege in any society is that the privileged demographic (in Canopus, this is women, but obviously this is not the case in the real world, for billions of people) doesn't have to contend with the spoken and unspoken pressures in that society that come with being an outlier. Some people choose to personalize this phenomenon with words like "minorities" or "the other," but the simple truth is that whichever demographic happens to be the privileged gets to enjoy being the default, and often never realize it until placed into a situation that either questions that privilege or puts it into doubt. (How many foreigners staying in Japan leave without having their image of that country tarnished at least just a little because of minor prejudices that creep in with otherwise gracious and civilized hosts?) Often, when someone or some situation points out the privilege, beneficiaries of that privilege won't react with any sort of graciousness or even self-awareness that you'd expect a mature person to have.

Your own comment betrays a surprising lack of understanding regarding the (now considered outmoded) social norms that demand a man act with graciousness towards a woman. Note that to act in this manner is to be considered "gentlemanly." This is because it marks you as a step above other, less civilized men, who wouldn't even take these small steps to make the lives of the women around them even slightly more pleasant. That it marks a person who will take these trivial steps as a "gentleman" is a quiet acknowledgement that in that society, men have enough advantages that even a gesture as tiny as opening a door for a lady is a major step up from the norm. The norm being a fair amount of social repression that would probably drive most men, had the situation been reversed, to violence or depression.

That these gestures are no longer considered chivalric and are, at best, considered quaint (anybody who insists otherwise probably has an agenda to push and lacks a sense of perspective about things) means that the society in which most of us lives in (Western post-Enlightenment Era) is a fair bit better than it was about these things.

Not perfect, far from it, but better.

Then again, most privileged folk who complain about the unprivileged tend to lack a grounded perspective, emotional maturity, or even a basic self-aware recognition of the benefits their privilege brings. They're also undoubtedly selfish, though to be honest there's nothing wrong with a healthy degree of selfishness. But there's always the danger of taking things too far, just as militant feminism undermines their own message and betrays a startling lack of perspective and overweening selfishness from the female side, Men's Rights Activists are almost comically out of touch with the world they live in and similarly lacking in perspective and suffer from similar self-absorbtion from the masculine end.

Basically? Use some common sense, and for crying out loud don't pretend to be a victim. Whatever your gender is.

EDIT: Also, about the International Women's Day. Note that in America, we have a Black History Awareness Month. There is no such thing as a White History Awareness Month. Because White History Awareness is called History Class. The position of privilege allows people enjoying that privilege to be the default in their society, this being reinforced constantly--it's just one of the perks, hey. The unprivileged have to have acknowledgement doled out, and often getting that acknowledgment is an uphill battle.

Edited by TG Xarbala, 24 June 2012 - 01:48 AM.

[marcus elgin]

I suggest Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack. A decent, but by no means complete, introduction to the concept of privilege in the context of race. Not quite along the lines of the gender discussion, but applicable.