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[Jae Hyun Nakamura]

@techorse: Heat is generall dissipating upwards with the air or radiating away but second is important for weapons imo, your engine is in your CT (nearly the whole CT) and above this tiny nuclear machine is a Cockpit and there are you. Sitting on a boiling peace of Hells-Nuclear- Engine-Technology.

I d believe it is getting very, very hot.

[Knightshadowsong]

I got to say, Your title confused me for a bit. Yeah. I agree, the whole Cooling suit thing on I/S mech's/pilots isn't really in the feel for it. As a Clan Star Colonel however, It's standard issue gear for me. so really it's just preference.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

I don't know about you poors, but I'm a Gold, and we Golds, in addition to having ancient battlemechs that have seen more warfare than some whole regiments, almost certainly have old Star League cooling tech that ComStar hasn't been able to get its grubby hands on.

[Ordellus]

Asakara, on 11 September 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

This game has a critical glaring flaw which I hope the devs will address soon.. In my cockpit I am wearing pants. PANTS!

An InnerSphere MechWarrior wears a neuro helmet, a cooling vest, boxers or briefs, and combat boots... Not pants. Cooling suits are lostech and used by the Clans at this point.

So I ask you, PGI, to take off my pants so I can pretend to be a "real" InnerSphere MechWarrior. I will even pay you to do it.

Just think of the possibilities.. Like various boxer/brief colors and patterns (i.e. plain, hearts, plaid, etc..).. Varying levels of hairiness (i.e. Smooth, normal, Italian, etc..)... Size and weight differences.. And of course different looks for different genders.

Back in November 2012 I created a thread about this, which was archived for whatever reason in early July 2013:

http://mwomercs.com/...emove-my-pants/

Needless to say there is support for PGI to take off our pants for MC.

So please PGI, take off my pants so I can share more disposable income with you.

Thanks!

For all of humanity I hope this is a joke.

[Davers]

Asakara, on 19 September 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

Are these Mechwarriors or Beekeepers?

[Asakara]

Edited by Asakara, 28 April 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Davers]

Asakara, on 28 April 2014 - 05:14 PM, said:

The title of this picture is "C'mon baby, just one kiss".

[Strum Wealh]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 30 March 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

I don't know about you poors, but I'm a Gold, and we Golds, in addition to having ancient battlemechs that have seen more warfare than some whole regiments, almost certainly have old Star League cooling tech that ComStar hasn't been able to get its grubby hands on.

"A mech pilot suited up and ready for action"



(From Japanese BattleTech/MechWarrior)

Edited by Strum Wealh, 14 August 2014 - 05:09 AM.

[Impyrium]

Techorse, on 28 March 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

I haven't read tons and tons into the lore, just a few of the books.

I always just thought that Mechwarriors wore a thin uniform or whatever clothing they had on at the time.

To me, "heat" never really enters the cockpit, as it feels to me like heat is supposed to be the engine's heat as opposed to the entire 'Mech. The engine runs hotter when weapons are fired as the fusion plant struggles to keep up with power demands to fire those weapons. This explains why the PPC generates so much heat, it requires a lot of power from the engine, which works it hard.

Head-canons aside, Mechwarriors going nood to fire one more laser is just as silly as these bulky formula-1 racing uniforms we're currently wearing.

I could see character clothing being a brand new cosmetic though, I'd probably be the troll with the khaki shorts and Hawaiian t-shirt.

You realize that your pilot is sitting less than ten meters away from an extremely powerful, extremely hot fusion reactor engine? You ever sat next to a bonfire? Now times that by a thousand. Plus some more because the metal cocoon around you would gradually heat up like an oven.

Near-naked clothing in 'Mechs is just an important part of lore that this game needs to follow as the Timber Wolf is with it's unique shape-- oh. Oh wait. Nevermind.

*walks away sadly*

Edited by AUSwarrior24, 28 April 2014 - 09:57 PM.

[Hans Von Lohman]

This you mean?



Sorry, but I think it would be more likely if they sell posters for the side of your cockpit like the banners we never used for MC, then maybe PGI could make some money from horn dogs who want them.

I'm not proud. I would buy one.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Because exposed skin in a cramped room full of very hot surfaces is a fantastic idea.

[wanderer]

Tweaks, on 11 September 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

They do, but not in 'Mechs. It's just too hot in there. If you read any of the novels, they always strip down to underwears and even thongs, and they get all sweaty after firing just a few of their weapons. They often described how they have to contort in order to dress/undress in their cramped cockpits.

Oldschool 'Mechs pre-tech recovery often had less-than-perfect life support systems. In some cases,you're talking centuries-old systems with jury-rigged replacements. And old cooling systems that used single heat sink technology- which was basically the cooling systems designed for use in much more low-tech tanks and vehicles vs. the demands of a 'Mech.

Stripping down was common sense, especially since you'd often end up in a literal hotbox during combat.

[Strum Wealh]

wanderer, on 14 August 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

Oldschool 'Mechs pre-tech recovery often had less-than-perfect life support systems. In some cases,you're talking centuries-old systems with jury-rigged replacements. And old cooling systems that used single heat sink technology- which was basically the cooling systems designed for use in much more low-tech tanks and vehicles vs. the demands of a 'Mech.

Stripping down was common sense, especially since you'd often end up in a literal hotbox during combat.

Actually, it might be closer to the opposite.

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The research team – C. Richard Taylor and Virginia Finch of Harvard University and Amiram Shkolnik and Arieh Borut of Tel Aviv University – quickly discovered that, as you might suspect, a black robe does convey more heat inward than a white robe does. But they doubted that this was the whole story.

Taylor, Finch, Shkolnik, and Borut measured the overall heat gain and loss suffered by a brave volunteer. They described the volunteer as "a man standing facing the sun in the desert at midday while he wore: 1) a black Bedouin robe; 2) a similar robe that was white; 3) a tan army uniform; and 4) shorts (that is, he was semi‑nude)".

Each of the test sessions (black-robed, white-robed, uniformed and half-naked) lasted 30 minutes. They took place in the Negev desert at the bottom of the rift valley between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Eilat. The volunteer stood in temperatures that ranged from a just-semi-sultry 35C (95F) to a character-building 46C (115F). Though he is now nameless, this was his day in the sun.

The results were clear. As the report puts it: "The amount of heat gained by a Bedouin exposed to the hot desert is the same whether he wears a black or a white robe. The additional heat absorbed by the black robe was lost before it reached the skin."

(source; original research report here)

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This is the fourth post based upon educational sessions and syllabus material presented at the Wilderness Medical Society Annual Meeting & 25th Anniversary held in Snowmass, Colorado from July 25-30, 2008. This post continues the discussion about the desert and desert survival, based upon the extensive knowledge of Dr. Edward J. (“Mel”) Otten, who is Professor of Emergency Medicine and Pediatrics, and Director of the Division of Toxinology at the University of Cincinnati.

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Clothing selection for desert travel is somewhat different than for most other wilderness activities. The less exposed skin, the better. While cotton is not good for most cold, wet climates, it is useful in the desert. Light colored clothing reflects sunlight and lessens skin temperature. Ripstop cotton (cotton material with nylon threads latticed within it) is best because it resists rips that are common in the desert. It is light enough to allow heat to escape, does not create a clammy feeling in low humidity, and protects against some ultraviolet radiation exposure and blowing sand. If ripstop cotton is not available, then any tight weave cotton is adequate. Long sleeves and long pants are a must to protect against spines, thorns, splinters and insects. More importantly, they protect against solar radiation that causes sunburn and increases body temperature, and trap more cool air next to the skin. Sweat that is trapped may decrease water loss via evaporation. Trousers can be tucked into the tops of socks to protect from insects; sleeves should be not be rolled up to minimize the risks of sunburn and heat gain. Gaiters can be worn to protect lower legs and the inside of footwear from sand, rocks, and dust. In a survival situation, puttees (wraps that extend from the tops of the shoes to the knees, either over trousers or bare legs, can be made from strips of cloth, elastic bandages, or stockings to protect the lower legs. They can be incorporated into the socks and wrapped to above the knees in a fashion similar to that for gaiters.

(source)

A light wicking/moisture-trapping liner (e.g. Under Armour), followed by a coolant-line-laced layer (basically, a LCG/LCVG like those developed by NASA, or those used by certain sports & certain industries), followed by a ripstop layer (which also serves to protect the MechWarrior against shrapnel & debris) in the style of the modern Hot Weather Battle Dress Uniform - that makes far, far more sense than stripping down to one's skivvies.

[xeromynd]

Thank god we have that Fan cockpit item. It really helps.


Also if you're in an Atlas, you only use one window right? (the cockpit), that other one is just sitting there doing nothing..
I'm thinking:


Yeah man, air conditioning.

[Burktross]

Just because you scrubs want something doesn't mean you should screw over the others because they're not willing to shell out MC for canon things like this.

Next up:
"pgi ill open my whale walet 4 u 2 fix mek scalling pls. i want to buy "centurion diet" cosumbalbe"

Seriously. Everyone complains about poor business practice, but you're literally asking for it.

Edited by Burktross, 16 November 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[Lunatic_Asylum]

I want to see three options:
1. the current one;
2. a short miniskirt with shaved female legs;
3. lap items (toy ferrets, bread crumbs, old granny's purse, etc.)

Edited by lunticasylum, 16 November 2014 - 07:57 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Burktross, on 16 November 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

Just because you scrubs want something doesn't mean you should screw over the others because they're not willing to shell out MC for canon things like this.

Next up:
"pgi ill open my whale walet 4 u 2 fix mek scalling pls. i want to buy "centurion diet" cosumbalbe"

Seriously. Everyone complains about poor business practice, but you're literally asking for it.

Alternate pilot uniform sets are EXACTLY the sort of "generally desirable, yet purely-cosmetic & non-gameplay-affecting" element that PGI should be trying to monetize.

They need to set it at a reasonable price-point (no repeat of EVE's "monoclegate", please), then let those who want it buy it & those who don't want it not buy.

[Demon Horde]

this is a dumb topic to get worked up over. here's why.
1. SJWs (social justice warriors) would have a field day with the game over FP undies
2. some SJWs would have a field day over all pilots then being male (assuming they make the model male)
3. it' just really silly in light of other issues the game needs worked out.

All that said I think they did the right thing going with the non cannon suit. it's generic, easily hides any pilot sex identity so a female gamers can just as easily imagine the pilot is a female in that suit not a male. Also hides pilot race so any racial identity can be assumed by the player. it's 100% inoffensive to any SJW group. and lastly why they heck would you care to see your boxers any way ?

oh and in a reality perspective why wouldn't the mech already have heat shielding built around cockpit ? it's not like pilot isn't sitting on a nuclear reactor or any thing (that's sarcasm). basically the cannon is dumb as the cockpit on a real word vehicle like that would already be heat shielded , unless the human race just turned into a bunch of a-holes in the future that have no concern for human comfort or life. It would be like NASA building a spaceship today with no heating in the cabin. "oh yeah screw the astronauts they can just freeze."

Last but not lease. Strum Wealh has it right pilot armor sets should be a purchasable in game item, but boxers should not be on the menu nor should alternate sexes (alternate sex should be free so SJWs don't go ape ****).or they should keep the pilot sex unidentifiable like it is now.

Edited by Demon Horde, 12 December 2014 - 08:39 AM.

[Twilight Fenrir]

Alright... I came into this thread fully expecting to be disappointed in my fellow mechwarriors... but, lo and behold, it's actually a fairly thought provoking discussion with some real merit XD

As someone who owns most of the novels... I was a bit surprised when I looked down for the very first time and saw the Crysis suit wrapped around my legs... But, it was quickly forgotten in the glory of stomping around in my Jenner

I'd be hard pressed to throw in with either side of this discussion... both have valid points... But, it's an interesting idea, at the very least

Davers, on 28 April 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

The title of this picture is "C'mon baby, just one kiss".

Haha, per the quotation painted on the Hunchie's cannon... it's Open Sesame... So... it's already got its sexual connotations painted on pretty thick, especially the way she's seated in that Zeus...

Edited by Twilight Fenrir, 22 December 2014 - 07:05 PM.

[Octopot]

I think what everyone wants is a pilot "cockpit" option to customize the pilot to their liking - aka dress up room - male or female, body type, clothes types etc. (just as useful as the mounted, hanged, standing......and wait for it....SITTING!