11 replies to this topic

[Victor Morson]

So launch day is here and instead of releasing another awesome patch like this time to address lasers and the silly boating limits for them that render Large Lasers trash, we get.. a slight ghost heat reduction to AC/2s, a weapon that doesn't need Ghost Heat in the first place.

What makes this sad, is this isn't even a great patch, let alone a launch day patch. A shame.

[theta123]

Dont worry! Soon we will have another Hero mech for MC purchase!
Then a new mech! FOR MC PURCHASE!

AND THEN we get another booster package for the phoenix project! ($$ only!)
AND then maybe they will balance things!

And by balance they mean

"Hey dual AC5.... Nah lets nerf that....."

Edited by theta123, 17 September 2013 - 12:14 PM.

[Vanguard836]

Going to need to be a bit more precise on what you find wrong with lasers.

[Victor Morson]

Vanguard836, on 17 September 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Going to need to be a bit more precise on what you find wrong with lasers.

The fact that Ghost Heat restricts their firing to 2 large is a very good place to start. It's simply not powerful enough to justify that and never has been.

Then again, nothing justifies Ghost Heat. "Hey guys, let's put in a totally hidden system with no UI feedback that can make seemingly fine designs explode and leave it for newbies on launch day lol!"

[Shadey99]

Vanguard836, on 17 September 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Going to need to be a bit more precise on what you find wrong with lasers.

I've shown them before, but the hard numbers say that if you can even keep a large laser on target for the full 1 second duration then it takes 3 of them to come close to 2 PPCs or 4 to slightly beat 2 PPCs. So given a choice even with the new heat it is always better to take 2xPPC over 2xLL/ER LL and even 2xLPL. In general PGI's limits are very odd and sometimes they think 30 damage per group fire is fine, other times they think 20 is, and some times like LLs they think sub 20 is. This is what makes ghost heat a joke as the numbers are utterly random.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shadey99, on 17 September 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

I've shown them before, but the hard numbers say that if you can even keep a large laser on target for the full 1 second duration then it takes 3 of them to come close to 2 PPCs or 4 to slightly beat 2 PPCs. So given a choice even with the new heat it is always better to take 2xPPC over 2xLL/ER LL and even 2xLPL. In general PGI's limits are very odd and sometimes they think 30 damage per group fire is fine, other times they think 20 is, and some times like LLs they think sub 20 is. This is what makes ghost heat a joke as the numbers are utterly random.

Very true.

Problem is, TBH, so many of the people making some valid points, like Victor (in this instance), have such a reputation for going over the top about everything, that it's kind of hard to blame the Devs for tuning them out.

What is not so easy to grasp is how thick some of the Devs seem to be about the realities and problems in this game. Do they even play it themselves? (cause if they don't, they really don't need to be working on it)

[AlexEss]

Well what can i say... Everybody is an game developer, and everyone knows best.

Me... I am neither and thus i try to avoid looking like a fool claiming to be one.

[Hans Von Lohman]

I am against this suggestion to lift the Ghost Heat penalty for boating lots of large lasers. I agreed with the reasons for having to add the ghost heat system in the first place.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 17 September 2013 - 11:47 PM.

[Cerlin]

I saw two devs in game last night. They are playing. But hey, hyperbole is fun right?

[MaddMaxx]

Have yet to see any Mech "Explode" from firing it own Lasers. Seen lots shut down, and a few zealots with OR syndrome do them selves in (a Ride along and it took him along time too), but not many click "BOOMS!". Sorry, it just ain't happening where it matters. IN THE GAME!...

[Darius Deadeye]

Victor Morson, on 17 September 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

So launch day is here and instead of releasing another awesome patch like this time to address lasers and the silly boating limits for them that render Large Lasers trash, we get.. a slight ghost heat reduction to AC/2s, a weapon that doesn't need Ghost Heat in the first place.

What makes this sad, is this isn't even a great patch, let alone a launch day patch. A shame.

Thing is though. You can still boat 4 large lasers. You just can't fire them simultaneously without suffering heat penalties. Whats the big deal?

I agree with one point in this thread - UI needs a helluva lot more feedback on ingame effect.

Edited by Darius Deadeye, 18 September 2013 - 08:51 AM.

[Syllogy]

What is the problem with lasers?