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[Levon K]

PropagandaWar, on 24 September 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Go spend it on a $110.00 Hornet not even out game called Star Citizen along with a $5.00 poster and $10.00 guns. Or you can always get the $40.00 Nightmare from Neverwinter that runs you down the road. You do have options you know.

Definitely gotta up my investment in MWO to even come close to my investments in Star Citizen and Neverwinter

[Malsumis]

The money I spent on Legendary seems more and more like a waste at this point. Every Founder mech is basically obsoleted by other variants that can be purchased with C-bills. The c-bill bonus is not enough reason to use them anymore when most founder mechs are out gunned.

[PropagandaWar]

Malsumis, on 24 September 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

The money I spent on Legendary seems more and more like a waste at this point. Every Founder mech is basically obsoleted by other variants that can be purchased with C-bills. The c-bill bonus is not enough reason to use them anymore when most founder mechs are out gunned.

To think better product won't come out over time is kind of short sighted.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 24 September 2013 - 09:52 AM.

[Hans Von Lohman]

From the lore of the 3025 Technical Readout (the original book, the one with the Marauder on the cover).

Notable Mechwarriors:

Mechwarrior Rodney Van Kleven

A member of the elite 6th Syrtis Fusiliers, Rodney Van Kleven is and aristocrat with the instincts of a democrat. Extremely personable, he is well-liked by everyone from fellow MechWarriors to the lowliest ship's cook.

On the battlefield, Van Kleven uses his Atlas, which he calls the Boar's Head, like a 100-ton scout. He stomps all over the field, creating general terror in the enemy lines and almost always overheating his 'Mech. He has won several land grants, but quickly loses the tittles when his 'Mech overheats and shuts down on the battlefield.

[Nathaniel Kell]

I wanted a Blackjack hero...

[DaZur]

Nathaniel Kell, on 24 September 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

I wanted a Blackjack hero...

Wouldn't that be like putting lipstick on a pig?

[Rhaythe]

Khobai, on 24 September 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Not really. Tanks that use gold ammo in WoT can still be killed by tanks that dont use gold ammo, it doesnt mean gold ammo isnt pay to win. Pay to win is whenever paying gives you an advantage you wouldnt get from not paying. This hero Atlas is outright better than an RS. That is pay to win.

It may not be an extreme case, but thats not the point, the point is if players allow it, PGI will continue pushing the limits of pay to win.

You could say that about any hero mech. "Better" is situational, as one mech will not be "better" than any other mech in all circumstances. For the most part, these mechs are avatars only. Yes, there is a slightly different weapon group, but insofar as Pay-2-Win goes, this game has done a damn good job in avoiding that as much as they can.

Though I get the idea that you're throwing tomatoes because you like the looks of this mech, but just don't want to fork out the money for it. Just a hunch though. My apologies if I'm wrong.

[valrond]

PropagandaWar, on 24 September 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Go spend it on a $110.00 Hornet not even out game called Star Citizen along with a $5.00 poster and $10.00 guns. Or you can always get the $40.00 Nightmare from Neverwinter that runs you down the road. You do have options you know.

Just a couple of things:
1-The hornet that you buy now is exactly the same as the one you can buy in game, as are all the things in Star Citizen.
2-Posters are $1, not $5.

[Nathaniel Kell]

DaZur, on 24 September 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

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Wouldn't that be like putting lipstick on a pig?

Lol, kinda. I like the idea of it, but I don't know what other loadouts they could introduce that could be better that what is already in game.

[DocBach]

I want a hero atlas like the MechWarrior Tactics Atlas, that has its main gun way up on the shoulder so it can shoot from cover.

[Deathlike]

Hans Von Lohman, on 24 September 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

On the battlefield, Van Kleven uses his Atlas, which he calls the Boar's Head, like a 100-ton scout. He stomps all over the field, creating general terror in the enemy lines and almost always overheating his 'Mech. He has won several land grants, but quickly loses the tittles when his 'Mech overheats and shuts down on the battlefield.

On Oct 1, the return of TRUE STEINER SCOUT LANCES!

[DocBach]

Except homeboy in Bore's Head is a Davion

[Mechteric]

Khobai, on 24 September 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Eh now theres no reason to use an RS at all. This thing is outright better. Its arguably even better than a D-DC.



Not really. Tanks that use gold ammo in WoT can still be killed by tanks that dont use gold ammo, it doesnt mean gold ammo isnt pay to win. Pay to win is whenever paying gives you an advantage you wouldnt get from not paying. This hero Atlas is outright better than an RS. That is pay to win.

It may not be an extreme case, but thats not the point, the point is if players allow it, PGI will continue pushing the limits of pay to win.

I think its clear that the term pay to win really means completely different things to different people. Some, its purely access-based, in that all should be accessible through pay or play. Its not unreasonable to prefer that method, but to me that alone is not sufficient to define that. Only reason I say that is because of all the myriad ways everyone can customize their mech, saying one mech is better than another is often based on opinion and heavily based on the current meta of the game.

For instance, look at the Firebrand (which I like, btw). When it first came out it was the only Jager that could run Gauss AND PPC on its high mounted arms. Pay2Win was claimed (as per usual with every Hero release). But shift forward to 2 weeks ago, PPC usage decreased and UAC5 usage increased. And guess what, the other Jagers were favored because they could mount 3 UAC5 while the Firebrand could only mount 2. And even now with UAC5's back to normal they're back to an even stage again.



EDIT: HAHA, next to nobody uses Atlas RS's in 12 mans btw, its DDC or go home.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 24 September 2013 - 10:09 AM.

[FupDup]

This will be our 5th hero assault mech. For reference, there are 5 hero heavies, 3 hero mediums, and 1 hero light.

[Kyle Wright]

[color=#000000]MechWarrior Rodney Van Kleven[/color]
[color=#000000] A member of the elite 6th Syrtis Fusiliers, Rodney Van Kleven is an aristocrat with the instincts of a democrat. Extremely personable, he is well liked by everyone from fellow MechWarriors to the lowliest ship's cook.[/color]
[color=#000000] On the battlefield, Van Kleven uses his Atlas, which he calls the Boar's Head, like a 100-ton scout. He stomps all over the field, creating general terror in the enemy lines and almost always overheating his 'Mech. He has won several land grants, but quickly loses the titles when his 'Mech overheats and shuts down on the battlefield.[/color]

[color=#000000]taken from: [/color]http://users.stargat...5/bm-atlas.html

[Ozric]

To be fair, it it does appear to be basically an RS+, +2 energy hardpoints for the loss of a single missile. I don't think anyone can argue that it is not the new go-to energy boat Atlas, assuming you can afford it.

[Deathlike]

DocBach, on 24 September 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Except homeboy in Bore's Head is a Davion

Last I checked, didn't Steiner marry into Davion (or something like that)?

I thought that was kinda the point in some war in MW4.

Edited by Deathlike, 24 September 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[DocBach]

Deathlike, on 24 September 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Last I checked, didn't Steiner marry into Davion (or something like that)?

I thought that was kinda the point in some war in MW4.

FedCom isn't official until Victor Steiner-Davion takes the throne in 3055. But TRO3025 in which the Boar's Head is described was before the marriage in 3028.

[Deathlike]

DocBach, on 24 September 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

FedCom isn't official until Victor Steiner-Davion takes the throne in 3055. But TRO3025 in which the Boar's Head is described was before the marriage in 3028.

In the grand scheme of things, I personally will consider them both "one and the same" despite our current timeline (which the devs themselves have kinda stopped following) is in 3050.

[Royalewithcheese]

Ozric, on 24 September 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

I don't think anyone can argue that it is not the new go-to energy boat Atlas, assuming you can afford it.

Are energy boat Atlases a thing, though? If I wanted to boat LLs over 4, I'd rather do it on a Stalker because of better hardpoints and more room for DHS.