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[Thomas Covenant]

Whether intentional or incidental, I feel Paul's poll ( POLL - LIMIT 12 V 12 PRE-MADE GROUP MATCHES TO 1PV ONLY ) was worded in a way that any fan of 1PV would agree to it without knowing they were also agreeing to eliminate 1PV hardcore mode, just by the poll itself, or the topic title.

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The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

I simply wish to call to attention that I believe we have been misrepresented, and I would like to rectify that as either my fallacy or correct observation. Thanks!

-Spence

[Johnny Z]

Would rather the poll asked if 3pv should be easy mode only, since I have never heard of 1st person view being labeled "hardcore" before.

[Thomas Covenant]

A good point, I could go either way.

[Bhael Fire]

I want a 1PV Only hardcore mode, but I think there are more important things first (i.e. CW, UI 2.0, game modes, etc.)

But yes, I agree, the poll was misleading irrelevant and doesn't represent hardcore players entirely. There are lots of hardcore MW/BT fans that never step foot in 12-man premades.

Edited by Bhael Fire, 24 September 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[Thomas Covenant]

Was sandblasted with confusion when I logged in and discovered 1PV exclusive matches was gone. 12 v 12 premades is not for me, though I see 1PV as fundamental for the game as I want to play it.

I have too much adoration for MWO to believe I am wrong for wanting these things, and It would be against my high praise for PGI to think they would truly exclude me and the demographic I represent. Prove me right PGI.

[RandomLurker]

I don't think it was deceptive at all. It clearly states, several times, that it applied to 12 v 12 premades.

Still want a regular 1pv 'hardcore' mode though. But don't blame the devs because you couldn't read.

[Thomas Covenant]

RandomLurker, on 24 September 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

I don't think it was deceptive at all. It clearly states, several times, that it applied to 12 v 12 premades.

Still want a regular 1pv 'hardcore' mode though. But don't blame the devs because you couldn't read.

It clearly states several times it pertains to 12 v 12 and I agree on that aspect. It only mentions eliminating hardcore mode once, and it is not in the poll or title itself, yet uses the poll to justify it.

At least that is what I take away for it, and I may be wrong. That is why this poll is an investigation and not 'blaming the devs'.

Am I wrong? Do you believe most knew they were opting to eliminate hardcore mode? I'd love to hear your opinion, though what you just said was not a response to what I am asking, and I agree 12 v 12 was a clear topic in Paul's poll.

[Cybermech]

your poll is biased to me.
I do think pauls poll was for a solution since hardcore mode was not incoming atm.
so as a solution to the issue it does help a lot.
don't mind 3pv in the pug que.
would love split ques but I'm sure numbers are needed for it.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

I LOL at all the 1PV QQ threads. I dont use it, I see maybe 1 person every few matches us it. Its not a a big deal. Its not forced on you, and it is not game breaking.


Le Sigh get over it.

[Thomas Covenant]

Cybermech, on 24 September 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

your poll is biased to me.

Why?

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I do think pauls poll was for a solution since hardcore mode was not incoming atm.

It was a greyed option, so I assumed(perhaps incorrectly?) that it was incoming. It was at least planned far enough to imply it's impending addition.

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so as a solution to the issue it does help a lot.
don't mind 3pv in the pug que.
would love split ques but I'm sure numbers are needed for it.

I appreciate your opinion, I disagree, though I can still appreciate what you have to say. My poll is very direct, please don't mistake that for being biased towards the answer being one way or the other. Of course I have my gameplay preferences, I still want to know popular opinion.

[RandomLurker]

Thomas Covenant, on 24 September 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Am I wrong? Do you believe most knew they were opting to eliminate hardcore mode? I'd love to hear your opinion, though what you just said was not a response to what I am asking, and I agree 12 v 12 was a clear topic in Paul's poll.

Can't speak for most, but I read it once and understood it fully. Also, reading between the lines, I understood that they had already made a decision and wanted poll stats to take back to the managers and justify it. So I voted yes on it because I knew it would be the best we had any chance for.

So, there was definately some wheeling and dealing there, but it was going on back at PGI HQ. The input of the players was never going to be seriously considered in the first place. Now, that sucks, but it doesn't make the poll itself deceptive. It said what it meant pretty clearly. The deception involved is the idea that it mattered.

[Cybermech]

Which is a higher priority?

just that part, priority has nothing to do with it when split ques where put on hold clearly cause of numbers.
priority should be set to making enough numbers to have 3pv in its own que.
I would much prefer the process to be quicker but putting in split ques atm would just be insane.
I don't want it in game btw.

[Thomas Covenant]

@RandomLurker even if some people think I meant deceptive in the way you meant, the other questions should clarify preference of either 1PV modes or 1PV 12 v 12.

@Cybermech, if numbers are too low and 1PV modes are planned to be introduced when the numbers are surer that's welcome news to me. Though I feel pretty left out until that time, and by the poll so far I interpret it as quite a few of us are craving smaller scale* 1PV matches, Now.

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I don't want it in game btw.

What was the 'it' to which you refer(1PV matches? 3PV matches? 12 v 12 1PV?)

*By smaller scale I mean smaller premades or pugging- Still 12 vs 12 matches of course.

Edited by Thomas Covenant, 24 September 2013 - 01:05 PM.

[Cybermech]

the "it" would be 3pv.
which is where the "bias" I'm talking about kicks in.
you don't want it in which is fine but it is presented in this pol.
where clearly separate ques is going to be the best choice.
if that was done right now it would make 3pv pointless.

best thing to do is stop the view changing in game, you pick out of game for pug ques.
while leaving groups to 1pv only.

[Thomas Covenant]

I agree! It is the superior choice in my opinion!
Which is why this poll is necessary to counter claims of Paul's poll of mass opinion to the contrary: that 1PV 12 vs 12 is more desirable than separate ques.

It is the obvious choice as I understand it, though Paul's poll could be used to argue that most people do not see separate ques as superior, which I present this poll cease and dearm any such claims.

The poll could have proven me wrong though, and I would have been fine with that, like it or not, as it would give clear perspective on community opinion. Am I being clear? Do you get what I am saying?

[Deathlike]

The grievous error in this poll/post is that it has NOTHING to do with Paul.

This is Bryan Ekman that should be held to the fire.

Edited by Deathlike, 24 September 2013 - 02:18 PM.

[Thomas Covenant]

No one should be held to any fire. Community representation should be genuine. No flames necessary.

[Thomas Covenant]

Other than maybe the flames of the phoenix. Come back to everyone 1PV!!!!!!

[Thomas Covenant]

Deathlike, on 24 September 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

The grievous error in this poll/post is that it has NOTHING to do with Paul.

This is Bryan Ekman

Hmm, I acknowledge my mistake. I had got the title "Paul's 1PV Poll" from the Bryan NGNG Trilogy notes by Peiper. Was there recently a 1PV Poll by Paul?

Edited by Thomas Covenant, 24 September 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Jestun]

White knights (and PGI) regularly refer to the 1.3 million registered accounts and claim that 3rd person has brought / will bring in more players.

Yet the population is too low for a 1st party queue...