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[General Taskeen]

Hello Devs,

With the upcoming Atlas Hero Mech, which seems to be a copy of the Atlas Danielle's loadout (and another Mech inspired by a Female pilot, like HM - a bad *** one at that), that people requested in the past, is there now legal reasons why closer 'canon' custom Mechs can't be added anymore? The Boar seems to be a named Mech from canon, but is there a reason for not including a famous Wolf Dragoon Pilot's Mech?

I understand that some Mechs don't have 'canon' custom Mechs that are completely different hard point wise, but some are definitely different. The YLW made me incredibly excited that PGI would add more exact record sheet editions of custom Mechs or close matches (since there is no Hatchet yet in the game).

I would have asked this in AtD, but I didn't think it would get answered over other 'high' priority issues the community has. I have been extremely excited about the possibility of Danielle's Wolf Dragoon Atlas in the game, complete with paintscheme and unit symbols for the Roughnecks and Beta Regiment.

I'm hoping for these in the future and I will pay money for them (as all are unique and within the 'timeline'):

AS7-D Atlas Danielle
DRG-2Y Dragon Yorioshi
Victor Li
Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee"
DRG-1G Grand Dragon Douglas

(outside current timeline)

JR7-K Jenner Samuli

Edited by General Taskeen, 24 September 2013 - 12:25 PM.

[ManDaisy]

Lets hope it just a mess up on the fluff department... I don't think it would matter much at all if they renamed it. PGI has had its share of embarrassment and correcting the name would just be another drop in the bucket.

[A Man In A Can]

Good question. I wouldn't be surprised that there are legal reasons why mechs aren't named after their pilots.

I think what PGI wants players to focus on when they name their hero mechs is the fact that it is a special variant not necessarily that a special Mechwarrior piloted that mech. Take the Wang or the Heavy Metal (and now the Boar's Head). All of these mechs were unique variants piloted by noteworthy Mechwarriors. If PGI wants players to play these mechs for the unique style of play, but not necessarily feel like they have to live up to a character's reputation, any reference to a particular character needs to be separated from the mech's name, but not necessarily in the way it is styled. Take the Heavy Metal. It is pink and has speakers with a guitar strapped onto it - meaning it technically still is Rhonda Snord's Highlander, but the dev's can't just name it Snord. They need to name it something else representative of the mech. Since it is the only mech with speakers and plays music, with a guitar on it, they named it Heavy Metal. Makes sense.

Even the Ilya Muromets wasn't piloted by Ilya Muromets. It's the name of a Russian fictional character, so technically it's passable.

Whether the Boar's Head is piloted by Danielle or by Rodney Van Kleven, at least they are finally adding an Atlas Hero mech in, which opens the doors to the rest of the founder's mechs having a hero mech as well.

[Jin Ma]

its going to be 37 dollars

[HunchbackCenturion]

Jin Ma, on 24 September 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

its going to be 37 dollars

Fact.

[SGT Unther]

This is a cannon mech from TRO 3025

Notable 'Mechs and Mechwarriors
MechWarrior Rodney Van Kleven
A member of the elite 6th Syrtis Fusiliers, Rodney Van Kleven is an aristocrat with the instincts of a democrat. Extremely personable, he is well-liked by everyone from fellow MechWarriors to the lowliest ship's cook.

On the battlefield, Van Kleven uses his Atlas, which he calls the Boar's Head, like a 100 ton scout. He stomps all over the field, creating general terror in the enemy lines and almost always overheating his 'Mech. He has won several land grants, but quickly loses the titles when his 'Mech overheats and shuts down on the battlefield.

[Booran]

Feels like a good mix between canon heroes and original content..

[HighlandCoo]

ITS GOING TO BE THIRTY SEVEN DOLLARS.

did you not get that?

[Lord Perversor]

HighlandCoo, on 25 September 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

ITS GOING TO BE THIRTY SEVEN DOLLARS.

did you not get that?

And who's forcing you to pay it up?

I'm not an Assault pilot so i don't friggin care and if someone buys it Kudos and i hope you truly enjoy their new ride.

[Bishop Steiner]

General Taskeen, on 24 September 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Hello Devs,

With the upcoming Atlas Hero Mech, which seems to be a copy of the Atlas Danielle's loadout (and another Mech inspired by a Female pilot, like HM - a bad *** one at that), that people requested in the past, is there now legal reasons why closer 'canon' custom Mechs can't be added anymore? The Boar seems to be a named Mech from canon, but is there a reason for not including a famous Wolf Dragoon Pilot's Mech?

I understand that some Mechs don't have 'canon' custom Mechs that are completely different hard point wise, but some are definitely different. The YLW made me incredibly excited that PGI would add more exact record sheet editions of custom Mechs or close matches (since there is no Hatchet yet in the game).

I would have asked this in AtD, but I didn't think it would get answered over other 'high' priority issues the community has. I have been extremely excited about the possibility of Danielle's Wolf Dragoon Atlas in the game, complete with paintscheme and unit symbols for the Roughnecks and Beta Regiment.

I'm hoping for these in the future and I will pay money for them (as all are unique and within the 'timeline'):

AS7-D Atlas Danielle
DRG-2Y Dragon Yorioshi
Victor Li
Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee"
DRG-1G Grand Dragon Douglas

(outside current timeline)

JR7-K Jenner Samuli

A lot of these are from 3025 mechwarriors. If we get to update our mechs, they, as "HEROES" aren't allowed to have updated theirs? Cuz you know, I can't see too many people shelling out 30+ bucks for Morticia's Orion, or Rodneys Atlas, as they were stock units.

[General Taskeen]

Ok?

So why can't I have Danielle's stock loadout Mech with a Rough Necks and Beta Regiment, Wolf Dragoon paintscheme? It was super cool when they added the Yen-Lo Wang, which not includes a canon paintscheme, but is also based on a record sheet with all but the Hatchet, since there is no melee functionality in the game.

That's the question I'm asking the Devs. Does it have to do with the fact that the Wolf Dragoon's are technically the Clans in disguise or what? Is that why we can't have Danielle's Atlas with paintscheme? Legal reasons? What?

As I already stated, I already know the "Boar" is a named canon Mech piloted by some Joe Schmoe 3025 Warrior. I don't care, I like my Mechs as Record Sheets.

And Danielle already has a record sheet:

http://bte.battletec...ls.aspx?ID=5493

Edited by General Taskeen, 25 September 2013 - 06:03 AM.

[Hillslam]

General Taskeen, on 24 September 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

...upcoming Atlas Hero Mech, which seems to be a copy of the Atlas Danielle's loadout (and another Mech inspired by a Female pilot, like HM - a bad *** one at that), ...

Wrong.

Van Kleven. Not Danielle.

Who is, imo, more "canon" than that dragoon tart.

Also, Anyone with "Van" in their name > any clan vat grown genitalia-missing mutant


P.S. I prefer to do all my female chassis riding outside of the game. eh? know what I mean? *nudge nudge wink wink*

Edited by Hillslam, 25 September 2013 - 06:27 AM.

[AlmightyAeng]

Hillslam, on 25 September 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Wrong.

Van Kleven. Not Danielle.

Who is, imo, more "canon" than that dragoon tart.

Also, Anyone with "Van" in their name > any clan vat grown genitalia-missing mutant


P.S. I prefer to do all my female chassis riding outside of the game. eh? know what I mean? *nudge nudge wink wink*

There's some confusion here. The 'Boar's Head' was piloted by Van Kleven.

HOWEVER, the loadout they've given it is the loadout on Danielle's Atlas.

They played mix and match.

[101011]

Hillslam, on 25 September 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Wrong.

Van Kleven. Not Danielle.

Who is, imo, more "canon" than that dragoon tart.

Also, Anyone with "Van" in their name > any clan vat grown genitalia-missing mutant


P.S. I prefer to do all my female chassis riding outside of the game. eh? know what I mean? *nudge nudge wink wink*

So the Dutch are better than the genetically bred elite warriors of a race dedicated to maximum efficiency in conflict? The Dutch?

[A Man In A Can]

HighlandCoo, on 25 September 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

ITS GOING TO BE THIRTY SEVEN DOLLARS.

did you not get that?

If you're paying more than effectively $30 when the mech is not on sale for 30% off in any other month than December, you're flat out doing it wrong.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Jin Ma, on 24 September 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

its going to be 37 dollars

it is steep. i have purchased every hero except the deaths knell and the price does add up but i can honestly say i have spent more time in my muromets then most AAA games(not including mass effect or fall out)
but i did get a couple that i thought were stinkers such as the fang and pretty baby but it could just be my play style....ok ramble over

[Thunder Lips Express]

General Taskeen, on 25 September 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Ok?

So why can't I have Danielle's stock loadout Mech with a Rough Necks and Beta Regiment, Wolf Dragoon paintscheme? It was super cool when they added the Yen-Lo Wang, which not includes a canon paintscheme, but is also based on a record sheet with all but the Hatchet, since there is no melee functionality in the game.

That's the question I'm asking the Devs. Does it have to do with the fact that the Wolf Dragoon's are technically the Clans in disguise or what? Is that why we can't have Danielle's Atlas with paintscheme? Legal reasons? What?

As I already stated, I already know the "Boar" is a named canon Mech piloted by some Joe Schmoe 3025 Warrior. I don't care, I like my Mechs as Record Sheets.

And Danielle already has a record sheet:

http://bte.battletec...ls.aspx?ID=5493

i apologize if it has been stated but as to the wolfs dragoons it has been said you will eventually be able to join that faction, the criteria will be a little steep as you will need to gain so much loyalty with each faction. that was rough idea the devs said a couple of weeks ago so maybe thats why they don't want this mech to be dragoons?
i don't think it would be a big deal if this was a dragoon myself, i'm just suggesting a possible reason

[Strum Wealh]

Another point to consider may be the pilot's condition as of ~3050 - for all of the current Hero 'Mechs except the Protector, the associated MechWarriors (where known) are either known to still be alive as of ~3050, or there are no easily-located statements regarding their deaths prior to that point.
By contrast, Danielle Rondema died on Misery in 3028, when her company (Beta Regiment's Fifth Provisional Company) was intercepted by a DCMS force and outnumbered 2-to-1.

As for the paint scheme... the Boar's Head, as pictured, does not appear to be wearing the colors of the 6th Syrtis Fusiliers (unless the parts that appear to be grey are, in fact, green ), nor is it painted in the colors of the Dragoons' Beta Regiment (e.g. "emerald green").
Nor is the Protector wearing the SLDF colors used when Kerensky, or Theodore Kurita (who would rename the rebuilt 'Mech "Revenant"), served as its pilot (as described in detail in Heir to the Dragon).
"The heat indicator showed a level slightly higher than the maintenance manuals predicted for the 'Mech's current activity level, but Theodore wasn't worried. The discrepancy was due to the dark olive paint worn by the Orion. The paint had a lower albedo than the manuals recommended, but Theodore was happy to live with the increased solar heat absorption. He had spent weeks of patient research discovering the color scheme carried when the machine had served General Kerensky. Once the colors were authenticated, he had painted the 'Mech himself."

[Otto Cannon]

101011, on 25 September 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

So the Dutch are better than the genetically bred elite warriors of a race dedicated to maximum efficiency in conflict? The Dutch?

They have better coffee shops- in Amsterdam 'Jade Falcon' and 'Smoke Jaguar' would be clannabis varieties.

[101011]

Otto Cannon, on 26 September 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

They have better coffee shops- in Amsterdam 'Jade Falcon' and 'Smoke Jaguar' would be clannabis varieties.

Ending the Clan Menace, one delicious cup of coffee at a time!