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[Purlana]

p4g3m4s7r, on 28 September 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Wrong on both fronts. There are a few very high heat builds that absolutely cannot use ff or endo.

How many of those do you see everyday? Besides, no one answered the question of clan DHS. When those come out the normal DHS will become useless. Are we going to buff those as well?

Edited by Purlana, 28 September 2013 - 03:50 PM.

[p4g3m4s7r]

Well, we'll just have to hope the devs aren't so insanely ******** that they implement them exactly the way they are in tt. Given that in the linked podcast they point out that they aren't just implementing the tt clan tech and that they think doing so would be a huge mistake. Either way, this isn't really a productive tangent. We have no idea exactly what the devs are going to do next year with clan stuff, and freaking out abput it now is just going to reinforce the devs impression of the forums as somewhere they shouldnt go to for ideas.

Also, the swayback doesn't have endo, nor do most good aws builds (outside of 8r builds).

[Gaan Cathal]

Purlana, on 28 September 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

How many of those do you see everyday? Besides, no one answered the question of clan DHS. When those come out the normal DHS will become useless. Are we going to buff those as well?

They're irrelevant. Inner Sphere mechs will be choosing between SHS and DHS. Clans will all be running CDHS, since I don't believe they have access to SHS.

Edit: And RE no-endo builds, Swaybacks, high-heat AWS builds, dual-ERPPC K2s.

Edited by Gaan Cathal, 28 September 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[p4g3m4s7r]

Gaan Cathal, on 28 September 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

They're irrelevant. Inner Sphere mechs will be choosing between SHS and DHS. Clans will all be running CDHS, since I don't believe they have access to SHS.

Edit: And RE no-endo builds, Swaybacks, high-heat AWS builds, dual-ERPPC K2s.

While you might be right in the end, if you listen to the podcast Russ states that their current default goal is to allow mixed tech. I think their mentality is that no piece of clan tech should be so good that IS mechs cannot use it.

[Hexenhammer]

Toong, on 28 September 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

No, I think the best solution to the heatsink 'problem' is to wait until Repair and Rearm's spiritual successor comes out, making doubles more expensive to field.

It already is here. It's called the C-Bill nerf.

[aakek]

The net effect of making SHS dissipating heat like DHS would be a large buff to heavier mechs since they would be able to stack more SHS to dissipate faster while saving precious critical slots for other uses.

The problem really is balancing around DHS has reduced the viability of laser weapons over low heat ballistics.

[Toong]

Hexenhammer, on 28 September 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

It already is here. It's called the C-Bill nerf.

Um, no? Slowing down income and adding money sinks are two different things. Unless you're just being snarky about making slightly less, in which case get over it. :V

[New Day]

Purlana, on 28 September 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Sure, but then why not buff standard structure and armor as well? It's in the same situation as SHS / DHS.... Also FF armor is useless when compared to Endo steel, well now we need to buff that as well.

Endo vs SS is balanced enough by crit slots, but I do think that FF needs a buff. Maybe make it increase armor (5%~10%) or something.

[p4g3m4s7r]

aakek, on 28 September 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

The net effect of making SHS dissipating heat like DHS would be a large buff to heavier mechs since they would be able to stack more SHS to dissipate faster while saving precious critical slots for other uses.

The problem really is balancing around DHS has reduced the viability of laser weapons over low heat ballistics.

It could be a buff to a small number of builds, but I'd point out that I've maybe had 2 highlander builds where I really felt that I was running out of crit space before tonnage and I didn't need lots of capacity. All of my awesome builds have absolutely needed the capacity AND the dissipation, so even with this change they would have used DHS. Plus, one of my highlander builds that ran out of slots before tons used LPLs, which honestly could probably use this kind of buff.

Besides, I suggested having the heat dissipation by slightly lower than the DHS specifically so that if this was going to be an issue it could be tweaked to be avoided. As is, though, SHS have WAY LOWER than even half the dissipation of DHS.

I don't see how balancing around DHS lowers the viability of energy weapons at all. If anything it improves their viability both by allowing for their more frequent use and also allowing for alpha strikes of a far greater number of energy weapons.