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[Bacl]

So Obviously i am a Founder (REALLY?!) and i'm worried.

Since July PGI is making all the choice that litterraly kills the fun factor; Ghost heat, 3rd person view, buffing and nerfing weapon for no obvious reasons ( well there is one but that for another post), the failed launch and the lack of new content... I could keep on going but now Boar's Head...


For me this is insult over injury! We supported the game by investing and by doing so we had some goodies, ok. Then the hero mechs comes out with custome skins ( like founders), custom pain job ( unlike founder), custom hardpoint (unlike founders) and they even do more credit than their founders counter part. It sucks but at least they were unique to only those who supported them.

Now we have a Hero Atlas that surpasses the Founder in every possible ways!
Its faster with bigger engine capacity, better weapon hardpoints ( this is personal taste tho), custome skin, paint job and it will be making more credits than our Founder Atlas. I hate the idea of being pushed aside

The other point that worries me is the fact that now they pulled a Hero Atlas out, they will have no guilt making hero versions of the Catapult, Hunchback and Jenner....

So i just want the Founders point of view on this. To make me shut up on this, having the possibility to exchange our founders mechs for the new heros variants would be fair but on the other hand we lose the "uniqueness" of those mechs.

Edited by Bacl, 02 October 2013 - 07:10 AM.

[Billygoat]

I voted everything because I could.

[Bacl]

Ok thank for the comment it is fixed now

[Effectz]

We got what we paid for in the founders package and how does the Boars Head surpass the Atlas?Yes it can mount a faster engine but seriously,who uses an XL in an Atlas?

Atlas D has 2 Missile 4 energy and 2 ballistic.Boars Head has 6 energy 1 ballistic and 1 missile.How exactly is the Boars head better?

Boars head is different,certainly not better.

[Joseph Mallan]

Thing is it is not the (F)Atlas. It is a Heroes ride from Canon (in this case) Yes I wanted to see a hero Atlas. Yes I would like to see Heroes eventually of all the Mechs. I would prefer them to all be less than $10 as a Puter Atlas is $14 an change right now.

[John Wolf]

We received the founder mechs with our sponsorship of the game and knew what we were getting. Oh, as a bonus, we ALSO got MC according to the investment we made. Now, all these hero mechs are MC purchase mechs, so, we can get the Boar's Head if we want, but they can never purchase the founders mechs. So, do I have any problem with them offering more hero mechs in any variant? No. Good business.

Do I think the hero mechs should offer more bonus than the initial founders? Ehhhhh. No. I think the early backers should have had the best rewards, and the newer hero mechs offer a slightly reduced number. This doesn't alienate the people who backed you early, but still offers a good purchasable reward after the founders options ran out.

However, again. We can still buy them with our MC if we haven't spent all of it by now. 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

[Kiiyor]

I'm cool with it. It's a nice mech, and fills a niche nicely, which is part of the point of hero mechs.

Also, it doesn't mount ECM. That alone (really) removes it from contention with the venerable DDC.

[NRP]

I'm not a Founder but for what it's worth, I'd rather have the Founders AS7-D than the Boar's Head. I think it's a much better, more versatile mech. The Boar's Head brings nothing over the AS7-RS.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

As far as I'm concerned it's fine that they pushed a Hero Atlas, and will be fine when they push through a Hero Catapult, Jenner, and Hunchback.

What concerns me is the Atlas itself, namely giving the MC-only version both a larger potential engine and a better hard point layout (compared specifically to the RS, -1 missile for +2 energy is a great trade). This is the closest PGI has come to an advantaged (rather than simply different) MC-only layout (it actually has more hard points than its direct C-bill competitor).

That said, I'd be fine if they boosted F mechs to 30%, or tacked on a LP boost or something.

[MeiSooHaityu]

It doesn't bother me. We have been using the Founder's mechs for quite some time, so new hero variants a year or so later isn't that big of a deal.

Matter of fact, there might be some Founders out there who want a more unique varian of their favorite mech. If you are a Founder who LOVES Atlas mechs, this Boar's Head is probably a good thing. Now you finally get a unique Atlas.

Yea, I have no problems with it.

[Butane9000]

First off as a Founder I fully expected them to add hero mechs to the founders chassis since the inception of the idea. Now I figured they'd be last to receive hero mechs as they do indeed have the founders versions. That being said they have some hero's to choose from and some not so numerous.

Jenner

JR7-K Jenner Grace - Another Sorenson Sabre's mech. Trading 2 Medium Lasers for extra armor. However later additions used FF and Endo Steel to add in a NARC. Considering NARCs general uselessness this is an unlikely hero.

Hunchback

HBK-4G Hunchback Shakir - Piloted by Shakir Jerrar of the Sorenson Sabre's. Sadly I have no idea what it's armament is and I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Though judging by Sarna it comes with an AC10.

There was a Hunchback piloted by Isoroku Kurita but I cannot find any specifications on it.

Catapult

Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny "Butterbee" - Removes the LRM15's on the C1 to replace with 4 SRM6's. Could see this since many Catapult pilots do run SRMs.

Atlas

AS7-WGS Atlas Samsonov - Strips all the weapons except for the AC20 and adds heat sinks and 2 PPCs (one in each arm). Not a hero I'd recommend.

So we could see a Hunchback hero and Catapult hero in the works. But I'm not so sure about the remaining Atlas hero or Jenner. There has also been mention of a Atlas hero choice dubbed "Big Ben" but I cannot find information on it anywhere.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Bacl, on 02 October 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

So Obviously i am a Founder (REALLY?!) and i'm worried.

Since July PGI is making all the choice that litterraly kills the fun factor; Ghost heat, 3rd person view, buffing and nerfing weapon for no obvious reasons ( well there is one but that for another post), the failed launch and the lack of new content... I could keep on going but now Boar's Head...


For me this is insult over injury! We supported the game by investing and by doing so we had some goodies, ok. Then the hero mechs comes out with custome skins ( like founders), custom pain job ( unlike founder), custom hardpoint (unlike founders) and they even do more credit than their founders counter part. It sucks but at least they were unique to only those who supported them.

Now we have a Hero Atlas that surpasses the Founder in every possible ways!
Its faster with bigger engine capacity, better weapon hardpoints ( this is personal taste tho), custome skin, paint job and it will be making more credits than our Founder Atlas. I hate the idea of being pushed aside

The other point that worries me is the fact that now they pulled a Hero Atlas out, they will have no guilt making hero versions of the Catapult, Hunchback and Jenner....

So i just want the Founders point of view on this. To make me shut up on this, having the possibility to exchange our founders mechs for the new heros variants would be fair but on the other hand we lose the "uniqueness" of those mechs.

I think you're over reacting to this hero mech, and so far any of the hero mechs. They aren't better in any way, most are actually {Scrap} and I can beat them quite easily. The only gripe I have with Hero mechs is the higher bonus percentage.

Now if you want a real reason to complain as a founder, try complaining about the Phoenix project and how for $120 you got 4 mechs as a founder and for $110 you get 18 mechs. Maybe founders should get discounts on all hero, special, and one off mechs, plus get money off for all purchases in game? After all we are the ones who paid the start up, right?

[Rhaythe]

The Founder program is over. All benefits have been paid to Founders. PGI owes nothing more to this group of players on account of funds paid to enroll in the Founders program.

I hate to break it to people, but being a "Founder" means nothing. You are not a stockholder. You are not a special community. You're simply a part of a larger player base.

[C E Dwyer]

With no abstain options I can't vote

we were supposed to have a unique mech, something special hero's generate more c-bills all ready, which made the uniqueness obsolete, with the introduction of the boarshead.

I think they might very well introduce a cat I'm not sure about the other two.

I won't be buying the boarhead I think its a bad option and I suppose they are hoping alot ( the remaining) founders will buy it for the extra5% c-bill generation.

I'm not happy but really from a business point of view its understandable, and frankly a better option than champion mechs as a xp boost is useless once mastered, and I do think victim when I see a BH as a great many are going to be piloted by new people.

I'm unhappy that the founder atalas dosn't change to the weapon choices and once that in, and if they boosted the c-bill earnings to 30% I could care less about the creation of hero mechs on founder chasis..

I mean just what variations are there going to be with the others, I don't think the hunch will hero until the clans arrive, when the matcat arrives who's actually goiung to buy a IS hero Cat..and jenner well just how many option you going to have for light mechs though those that pilot lights almost exclusively, should have an option more than just a comando

Edited by Cathy, 02 October 2013 - 08:04 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Rhaythe, on 02 October 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

The Founder program is over. All benefits have been paid to Founders. PGI owes nothing more to this group of players on account of funds paid to enroll in the Founders program.

I hate to break it to people, but being a "Founder" means nothing. You are not a stockholder. You are not a special community. You're simply a part of a larger player base.

Yea, pretty much.

[C E Dwyer]

Werewolf486, on 02 October 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

I think you're over reacting to this hero mech, and so far any of the hero mechs. They aren't better in any way, most are actually {Scrap} and I can beat them quite easily. The only gripe I have with Hero mechs is the higher bonus percentage.

Now if you want a real reason to complain as a founder, try complaining about the Phoenix project and how for $120 you got 4 mechs as a founder and for $110 you get 18 mechs. Maybe founders should get discounts on all hero, special, and one off mechs, plus get money off for all purchases in game? After all we are the ones who paid the start up, right?

I'd buy that for a dollar

100% agree with your signature

[stjobe]

I'm fine with the Boar's Head, and I'd love for them to make Hero 'mechs of every 'mech in the game. It seems people buy these things (I have a Death's Knell and a Firebrand myself), and more money should mean a game that won't be shut down.

I believe I've gotten plenty for what I donated already, so I see no need for any continued special treatment of us founders.

[Squid von Torgar]

I'm a leg founder and also have hogshead. I am fine about it as they behave quite differently. But even if you don't want a HG you still get the bonus. So is this a case that you don't want non founders to get a c-bill boost in Altai, cats, hunches, or jenners?

[Grimlox]

Werewolf486, on 02 October 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

I think you're over reacting to this hero mech, and so far any of the hero mechs. They aren't better in any way, most are actually {Scrap} and I can beat them quite easily. The only gripe I have with Hero mechs is the higher bonus percentage. Now if you want a real reason to complain as a founder, try complaining about the Phoenix project and how for $120 you got 4 mechs as a founder and for $110 you get 18 mechs. Maybe founders should get discounts on all hero, special, and one off mechs, plus get money off for all purchases in game? After all we are the ones who paid the start up, right?

As a non-founder here's my take.

I completely agree with you on the c-bill bonus. I think Founders mechs should get 30% same as hero mechs. Also I wouldn't mind if founder and hero mechs got the loyalty bonus of the phoenix mechs either.

I agree with you that generally the hero mechs are not at all P2W. I think on the whole the hero mechs are well balanced with the standard variants.

Comparing the founder and phoenix and only looking at how many mechs you get per dollar is really not a solid basis for complaint. I think most people would prefer $80 worth of MC rather than a bunch of standard cbill variants and 2 additional medium mechs with bonuses attached. Not to mention the intangible things like founder tag in matches and early access to the game for months.

[Bacl]

My greatest fear opening this poll would be the reaction of the contributors and i have to say i'm having a good suprise because so far it is very polite and respectful.

So for that guys i thank you!

This poll is based on a personnal feelings and opinions so dont take it 100% cash. I just wanted the opinions of other founders ( and non founders) on the subject and i have to admit some of you managed to prove your point with a lot of weight ( so much i m also reconsidering my position). At the end of the day since we paid for the founders i just wanted them to give a little somethign extra compared to the heros counter part. I admit however that i do have some frustrations over the decisions PGI been making since July and that hero got some steam for it.

Keep posting on this, i still want your opinions on the matter!