101 replies to this topic

[PEEFsmash]

Sephlock, on 05 October 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

When you have enough of them in a mech that is fast enough to stay close to the light to keep firing at it, maybe. Also "its better it be nerfed into oblivion than continue to be useful" is the thinking that got the game to the state it is currently in.

I don't think there is a real, honorable role for streaks in this game. Its an FPS and these streaks aim themselves and hit 100% of the time when you are in range and LoS. That's really a poop mechanic, but if it was tough to maintain lock, or if your missiles would lose lock if you lost lock while they were flying...that would make them better.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 05 October 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[Sephlock]

I think part of the problem here is the desire to appeal to new players + the desire to appeal to veterans of the PC games (but not the board game) vs the desire to appeal to the people who should only be given lip service the board game players, who are all 60 year old neck beards.

Sadly forgotten are the people who loved the novels .

Edited by Sephlock, 05 October 2013 - 03:54 PM.

[Krivvan]

Sephlock, on 05 October 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

When you have enough of them in a mech that is fast enough to stay close to the light to keep firing at it, maybe. Also "its better it be nerfed into oblivion than continue to be useful" is the thinking that got the game to the state it is currently in.

Frankly I think the state of the game is pretty damn balanced. Probably the best that I've seen since...maybe some point in closed beta minus the universally lagshielded lights.

[FupDup]

What Streaks need once and for all is to have their targeting mechanic changed from the ground-up so that they seek the area that you aim at. Additionally, damage would be matched with that of standard SRMs (the extra weight sacrifice is for the guidance system). If you aim at the CT, you should hit the CT. If you aim point at the left arm, you should hit the left arm. If you aim at the right leg, you should hit the right leg.

Note that this doesn't mean 100% guaranteed to hit the aimed-at location, it just means that the missile will try its best to hit that spot. For instance, if you aim at the hunch of a Hunchie and he twists fast enough to the right prior to impact, the missiles may end up hitting somewhere on the left side of his body instead of the hunch.


This solves the issue of being too easymode against lights/mediums, while simultaneously improving their effectiveness against larger targets, and increases the overall skill floor of the weapon.

Edited by FupDup, 05 October 2013 - 04:52 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

I have no received this bug at all when I play. How do you reproduce it?

[Wispsy]

Kaspirikay, on 05 October 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

I have no received this bug at all when I play. How do you reproduce it?

SSRMs?


Edit: I have been using it now in 12mans all night. It is sickening :/ was 150m above this Spider, nowhere near my screen, and got lock and killed him.

Edited by Wispsy, 05 October 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

Wispsy, on 05 October 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

SSRMs?


Edit: I have been using it now in 12mans all night. It is sickening :/ was 150m above this Spider, nowhere near my screen, and got lock and killed him.

derp, of course i know its SSRMs.

I have been unable to reproduce this issue.

[Wispsy]

I do not know, do you have Artemis?

[Johnny Reb]

I have never had this happen using streaks or lrms. I would like to see this on video happen in action for an extended period in a real match. Also, is this a new occurrence, like since that mini patch on Thursday?

[Krivvan]

Kaspirikay, on 05 October 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

derp, of course i know its SSRMs.

I have been unable to reproduce this issue.

http://www.twitch.tv...van/b/467658468

You need to get target lock, then just move the reticule off.

[Wispsy]

Johnny Reb, on 05 October 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

I have never had this happen using streaks or lrms. I would like to see this on video happen in action for an extended period in a real match. Also, is this a new occurrence, like since that mini patch on Thursday?

http://www.twitch.tv/peefsmash

You can watch back all of tonights play. It happens in every game every time.

Edited by Wispsy, 05 October 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Then its definitely a new bug, haven't played streaks since Wednesday and it wasn't the case then. Did run lrms on Thursday but didn't see it there either.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 05 October 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Sephlock]

FupDup, on 05 October 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

What Streaks need once and for all is to have their targeting mechanic changed from the ground-up so that they seek the area that you aim at.

This might deal with the problems in an objective sense but it would probably lead to an INCREASE in the howling from the haters.

[Johnny Reb]

i HAVE RUN 5 MATCHES SUNCE MY POST AND NO CHANGE ON STREAKS.

[Krivvan]

Confirmed that it happens in actual games.

[PEEFsmash]

Johnny Reb, on 05 October 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

i HAVE RUN 5 MATCHES SUNCE MY POST AND NO CHANGE ON STREAKS.

http://www.twitch.tv...van/b/467658468
Are you disputing this? Or are you just sharing a personal anecdote without evidence?

Edited by PEEFsmash, 05 October 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[DocBach]

Are you using Beagle?

[Deathlike]

DocBach, on 05 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Are you using Beagle?

Why yes!

I wonder if this is an LRM-Artemis change. If that is the case, this behavior is woefully undesirable for Streaks.

I mean, it's a great idea to allow Streaks the benefit for Artemis sped-up locking amirite?

Edited by Deathlike, 05 October 2013 - 09:15 PM.

[Krivvan]

DocBach, on 05 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Are you using Beagle?

The effect still happens with Beagle taken off.

[GalaxyBluestar]

i thought it was just wobble reticle inanely within the red sqare to achive a hit, now i'm seeing you don't even have to do that!?

SSRMs = major crutch weapon or i iz shooting stuffs.