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[Mycrus]

Ecliptor, on 07 October 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

because of this me and everyone in my merc unit will always grab the command first so you can't mess around with our units

Except I run dual ssds in raid 0 so I finish loading well before everyone else

Ecliptor, on 07 October 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

yeah not like seeing which of your lance mates is in most need of assistance is important right? not having them show up green on your minimap isn't a hindrance is it?
all it takes for a "try hard" commander is to ask if said lance would mind being moved around instead of just presuming and doing it without permission. i hope they add a feature to lock premades together

We didn't have it in closed beta and got through most of open beta without it... Lance colors and that little health box are a nice to have when you are in comms but are must haves to pugs (aka rest of your team).

A little inconvenience on a 4-man's part will pay off large dividends in terms of improved overall teamwork.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Mycrus, on 08 October 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

Except I run dual ssds in raid 0 so I finish loading well before everyone else



We didn't have it in closed beta and got through most of open beta without it... Lance colors and that little health box are a nice to have when you are in comms but are must haves to pugs (aka rest of your team).

A little inconvenience on a 4-man's part will pay off large dividends in terms of improved overall teamwork.

right well i am not willing to be inconvenienced for your benifit, neither am i bringing out the "measuring stick" to see who has the bigger computer, point is keep your dirty hands off peoples lance unless you have permission by said lance to move them

[Ertur]

The problem is when people don't know the mechs that they are shuffling around. Don't put Raven 2/4X's in a lance with Jenners and Spiders, they can't keep up and so there's no point. Don't assume that a Cicada is fast. Don't assume a Dragon is slow.
Like so many others have already said ASK BEFORE YOU MOVE.

[Liquid Leopard]

^ This is one of the reasons I've taken to clicking "Lance Command" right after I click "Ready".
I figure that's pretty quick and to the point, when you don't want to get rearranged.

That and, when people gained the ability to rearrange mechs before the match started, that made it easier for people to TROLL a lance of 4 guys with the same faction insignia. How many of these 4-mans are going to ask, "Was that really for the sake of the team, or are you trolling us?" There's no point. The troll isn't going to say, "lol I totally trolled you". They're going to use all the excuses in this thread.

Then, there are the goobers who think the feature is nifty and have no flippin' idea what they're doing.

...Like when I clicked on Lance Command, and a guy in another lance did likewise, before the would-be company commander promoted himself.

Behold, our lances didn't get rearranged. But, soon see this guy going, "I didn't appoint you lance commanders. You and You must have command consoles. Blah, blah, blah..."

If we weren't already moving out, I was tempted to answer, "Good job taking command when you have no idea how it works." The more people I see taking company command, the more I'm convinced they have no idea beyond, "Let's see what this button does."

[King Arthur IV]

HOW can i sync drop with all the haters?!?!

[Masterzinja]

I actually had something similar happen to me a couple of nights ago. I took command to put our lights together into charlie lance for a resource misson when one of the guys on my team started calling me names and insulting me for taking command. Basically, he threatened me with his premade, and I told him to put his money where his mouth was.

When the match started I was immediately attacked by three of these guys on my own team, which my friend and I dispatch with little damage to ourselves. They spent the rest of the match telling me that my friend and I were marked men, and that his whole laughable clan was going to death-list us.

Now I should add that they never once mentioned wanting me to put them in a lance together, and in truth they were in a lance and none of them got moved. They were just insulting and being rude because they wanted to grief someone they thought was on his own.

[Hellen Wheels]

If I take command, and I move you around, it is for a purpose. My purpose might be unclear to you at the time, but rest assured, when I am done moving you around, I will release the button and allow you to make any changes to my decisions.

If you are in a group, then fly colors, and I won't move you. If you are not flying colors for your group, then that's just too bad. Fly your colors or stop bellyaching.

If I am busy whilst waiting for the MM to make me a match, I may switch windows and start adjusting my ITunes or whatever and might not immediately press ready quickly enough for your tastes. I may have gotten up out of my chair and washed a dish in the meantime, and took too long wiping my hands clean before I press ready. If that takes too long for your tastes, then that's just too bad.

And after all that, if you still insist on "taking matters into your own hands" and start TK, then you WILL be reported.

TL:DR? GROW UP.

[Mycrus]

Anybody can take command and if you are beat to the punch, please don't cry.

I really don't see what the big deal is with lance markers and that little table... You are a premade on comms!

Think of it like pee pee cees and the latest FOTM...

The ability to move dudes around is in the game and while it is in the game it will be used, abused, and exploited... You know like the c0mp3t1t1v3 dudes...

King Arthur IV, on 08 October 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

HOW can i sync drop with all the haters?!?!

you can tank your elo..

[King Arthur IV]

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Mycrus, on 08 October 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Anybody can take command and if you are beat to the punch, please don't cry.

I really don't see what the big deal is with lance markers and that little table... You are a premade on comms!

Think of it like pee pee cees and the latest FOTM...

The ability to move dudes around is in the game and while it is in the game it will be used, abused, and exploited... You know like the c0mp3t1t1v3 dudes...



you can tank your elo..

[/spioler]
NEVAH!!!
i dont think my elo is that high but then again noone complains in my bracket when i do it

King Arthur IV, on 08 October 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

[spoiler]

NEVAH!!!
i dont think my elo is that high but then again noone complains in my bracket when i do it

[aniviron]

Toffa, on 07 October 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

OP,

I saw that match.

You were asked several times to put those players back.

You ignored these multiple requests.

You got yourself killed for your ignorance.

My 2c

Toffs

Regardless, that is absolutely in no way an excuse to teamdamage or teamwound. Annoying things happen to people all time time; only the poorly-mannered lash out at those around them for incidents like this.

[Parazaine]

Whilst I agree that TKing someone for moving players around is extreme, it is highly annoying for a four-man team to suddenly be split up. People that do this almost invariably do NOT ask first which i would assume would just be good manners.

Ultimately, the fault lies with PGI for introducing a half-realized mechanic.....it's for the future when we have CW etc and you would have thought it would take very little to lock pre-mades as suggested in this forum.

Why introduce it now if it's not fully realised? haven't they got internal testers to test this stuff? or do they just use the community to do their quality control and testing....having been here since closed beta, experience seems to suggest the latter.

[Johnny Reb]

plural boink, on 06 October 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

hello gunther,

changing the composition of the teams can be very annoying for the player involved. in a nutshell :

1. a premade group dropped into game means to do one thing; they wanna be in a lance together. taking that away from them and forcing them to be with others are not nice things to do.

2. even if its tolerated, youve now made it harder for a coordinated lance to remain coordinated by reducing their situational awareness. (colour coding is different between team and lance yeah?)

3. unless youre ALL on comms and coordinated, by all means rearrange.

ive been rearranged before and i can tell you its annoying to say the least. i got picked on afterwards for bringing it up too for requesting to be put back with my mates.

my opinion? premades should be locked into a lance, like battlefield where you can choose public or private squads.

youll never see an end to bad behaviour on the internet buddy, just be patient.

That option should only be available to 12 mans, in my opinion.

[Devil Fox]

Mycrus, on 08 October 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

I really don't see what the big deal is with lance markers and that little table... You are a premade on comms!

Think of it like pee pee cees and the latest FOTM...

The ability to move dudes around is in the game and while it is in the game it will be used, abused, and exploited... You know like the c0mp3t1t1v3 dudes...

I actually think it's vital that a pre-made is aware of where every member is at a time, easily achieved visually. It allows pre-mades to co-ordinate their movement around each other and also position themselves in advantageous positions to better wreck havoc, all without needing to fill comms with useless positional information better used for target ident/location... because top 4man's on both sides means you can't rely on your pugs to get you out of the fire.

Mycrus, on 08 October 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

you can tank your elo..

I wish I could... too competitive to not go for a win... and too high to even bring it low...

Johnny Reb, on 08 October 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

That option should only be available to 12 mans, in my opinion.

Why this feature isn't disabled for the pug scene (like 3PV is disabled for the 12 queue) has got me beat! Premades already were put into their own lances, it was only the 12 games where some unit's used a lance based battle structure that it's become useful.

[Nick Makiaveli]

aniviron, on 08 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Regardless, that is absolutely in no way an excuse to teamdamage or teamwound. Annoying things happen to people all time time; only the poorly-mannered lash out at those around them for incidents like this.

As a rule I agree with you, but if someone is being a jerk, I might think to myself that 10K is not that much...bear in mind my life savings is around 65K atm So not like I am rolling in it.

Now for the record I have never returned FF though I came close once during a base cap when the guy shot me, I moved, and he turned and fired again. Got behind him and said "WTF?" as I was lining up on where his rear armor used to be...he apologized but I think it was only because he realized I could literally run circles around his stupid, bored ***.

[MuFasa]

Hellen Wheels, on 08 October 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

If I take command, and I move you around, it is for a purpose. My purpose might be unclear to you at the time, but rest assured, when I am done moving you around, I will release the button and allow you to make any changes to my decisions.

If you are in a group, then fly colors, and I won't move you. If you are not flying colors for your group, then that's just too bad. Fly your colors or stop bellyaching.

If I am busy whilst waiting for the MM to make me a match, I may switch windows and start adjusting my ITunes or whatever and might not immediately press ready quickly enough for your tastes. I may have gotten up out of my chair and washed a dish in the meantime, and took too long wiping my hands clean before I press ready. If that takes too long for your tastes, then that's just too bad.

And after all that, if you still insist on "taking matters into your own hands" and start TK, then you WILL be reported.

TL:DR? GROW UP.

Well what makes your "purpose" better than anyone elses? Who made you the best thing to happen to robots since laser beams? Our purpose may be to actually work together with our four man lance that we feel brings cooperative builds that are set to help each other. And thus help the team. The attitude you show here just ensures I could give a rats hind end about what your purpose is. I swear some of you guys act like you're all knowing when it comes to robots. Try asking BEFORE you move folks, and avoid all the bs.

[LtPoncho]

What about changing someone's post using a website hotword script? Why can't we use terms we choose? No all are contextually negative or interpreted consistently. Pretty scary ***** to change members posts...

Edited by LtPoncho, 09 October 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Apostal, on 09 October 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

Why this feature isn't disabled for the pug scene (like 3PV is disabled for the 12 queue) has got me beat! Premades already were put into their own lances, it was only the 12 games where some unit's used a lance based battle structure that it's become useful.

Because (for me at least) it does make a difference in the PUG scene - 2 out of 3 games anyways.

Assuming no premades get pissy about it (here is a hint - if we ask if you mind, and you do not respond then you forfeit the right to get upset.) then shifting mechs with similar roles (lights w/ lights or Jenners w/ fast Dragons for hit and run type or whatever works with what we have) DOES make a difference, even in the random world of PUGing

[Mogney]

Hellen Wheels, on 08 October 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

If you are in a group, then fly colors,

What on earth does this mean?

[Alaskan Nobody]

Mogney, on 09 October 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

What on earth does this mean?

It means they want you to paint your mechs in matching colors to make it easier to tell who is on a team together.

Unfortunately as most of my 'premades' are me dropping with random people at random times that I met due to the randomness of PuGing (with the random exception of those of you who randomly friended me because of what I have randomly put in the forums)... not always an option in this randomly random life of mine.

On the otherhand, if you are more organized than I am, and/or part of an organized Merc/house/clan group... then yes you probably aught to be wearing their colors, if only to advertise for your group

[Mogney]

Ill have to look closer, but I didnt think you could see the colors on a mechs paint job on the pre-match screen.

Either way the answer is simple, ask before your start re-arranging. else my assumption is that you are trolling.