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[StarGeezer]

That's a shame, Shar. You've seemed like a fairly reasonable and cogent individual, and one that I viewed as one of the more amiable and likeable on the forums. I don't see where a difference of opinion on a game mechanic need be sufficient to avoid the other. But that's your choice, sir. Perhaps after some time and perspective, your opinion of me may mellow. Or not. I'll remain optimistic.

Kindest regards.

[Lord Baldric]

You have a right to use the feature. Its there and unrestricted. It is meant to be used.

I'm simply saying there are consequences to every action.

That you do not have the right to tell someone they are not allowed to be upset simply because you did not receive a reply.

That you should use the reporting system for people who break the CoC in their distaste (TK's, excessive profanity/slurs).

You can move people and they can be upset about it.

Nothing more nothing less.

[Arnold J Rimmer]

Shar Wolf, on 09 October 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

May your next matches be close ones!

Ah, now there's a philosophy I can get behind.

To you as well, sir!

[Alaskan Nobody]

Lord Baldric, on 09 October 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

That you do not have the right to tell someone they are not allowed to be upset simply because you did not receive a reply.

I think sir - you are missing my point.

Lord Baldric, on 09 October 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

You can move people and they can be upset about it.

I can move people yest: but if I ask first, common courtesy says they cannot get upset about being moved if they do not let me know they did not wish to be so moved.

You have heard of courtesy yes? The general tone of your posts suggests so.

Lord Baldric, on 09 October 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

I'm simply saying there are consequences to every action.

That you should use the reporting system for people who break the CoC in their distaste (TK's, excessive profanity/slurs).

These are the parts of your post I agree with unconditionally.

I wish you a good day.

Arnold J Rimmer, on 09 October 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ah, now there's a philosophy I can get behind.

To you as well, sir!

You would be surprised how many people I drop with that take offense at that
Got into a discussion with one guy over whether a close match or a curb-stomp showed more equal skill.

He was of the opinion that if both are equally skilled, one would find a way to simply overpower the other or something like that. (IE skill is in finding a way to catch your opponent off balance I believe was his approach to it)
I have that match recorded, and if I can figure out how to shrink the videos well enough not to blow out my bandwidth while maintaining the readability that is one of the ones I plan to post.

[Mogney]

Boy howdy is that horse dead or what?

[Alaskan Nobody]

Mogney, on 09 October 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Boy howdy is that horse dead or what?

But but but but....
Dead horses are the only ones who don't fight back!

If I don't keep beating it I may have to find a live horse! and they KICK!

[BigBadVlad]

I had this happen and I fail to understand a premade group of 4 really wanting to be on the same lance? You can talk to each other quick and easy, there is no advantage to the 4 of you being on the same lance, unless I'm missing something. The 4 of you are going to do whatever you want as a group anyway!

If your team has 3 or 4 fast mechs spread out on different lances and they are PUG's I see a definite advantage to sticking them on the same lance and saying light lance stick together, go do this. You'd think a group of 4 coordinating together over voice comm's would appreciate someone trying to organize the team to be more effective! Instead they whine, "Now my arrow on the map is a different color than my buddy!"

Edited by BigBadVlad, 09 October 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Mogney, on 09 October 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Boy howdy is that horse dead or what?

Had a post I was writing - had what I thought was a fun (if really dumb) joke about dead horse beating, then misclicked and lost it

I rather did hijack the thread into another direction though, and for that I apologize.

StarGeezer, the big issue I would have with dropping with you is I communicate with my team a lot by typing - and knowing that there is someone on my side actively ignoring it means what I am doing is in part at least a waste of time and effort.
I am sure you understand I would much rather have that on the other team

Edit: posted part of the joke.... but I never hit post... the forums have been going WEIRD on me lately
Sent a ticket in on that, and they said it has been going weird on them to...
There be Gremlins afoot!

[Alaskan Nobody]

BigBadVlad, on 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

I had this happen and I fail to understand a premade group of 4 really wanting to be on the same lance? You can talk to each other quick and easy, there is no advantage to the 4 of you being on the same lance, unless I'm missing something. The 4 of you are going to do whatever you want as a group anyway!

The whole, glancing up to see the aproximate armor state of your buddies thing - actually quite helpful at times, useless at others.
IE the 80% armor cataphract being almost dead because it all hit CT - or on the useful side, had a drop with an Atlas who hit 9% before falling - we KNEW he needed help

BigBadVlad, on 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

If your team has 3 or 4 fast mechs spread out on different lances and they are PUG's I see a definite advantage to sticking them on the same lance and saying light lance stick together, go do this.

That is why I do it.

BigBadVlad, on 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

You'd think a group of 4 coordinating together over voice comm's would appreciate someone trying to organize the team to be more effective! Instead they whine, "Now my arrow on the map is a different color than my buddy!"

It is not the whining that bothers me, the matches where they complain but otherwise do nothing are 50-50 win ratio so acceptable outcome in my book
As I drop command after shifting I let them know they are more than welcome to shift themselves back - have yet so see anyone actually do it though...
It is the ones who declare me public enemy that bother me.
I have received notification that people have been reporting me for TKs lately, PGI tracks that so they knew I wasn't but were curious about why I was getting reported - those that reported me were usually the ones TKing me so...

[scJazz]

Is there some particular purpose to keeping this thread alive? Because, I honestly don't see the point in it anymore.

Let it rest! Die peacefully, off of the 1st page!

[Alaskan Nobody]

scJazz, on 09 October 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Is there some particular purpose to keeping this thread alive? Because, I honestly don't see the point in it anymore.

Let it rest! Die peacefully, off of the 1st page!

Here Here! Let us kill the thread!
Get your torches and pitchforks and dinner forks!
Form a MOB!
Slaughter! Maim!
Blood for the Blood God!
Pants for the Pants God!
Skulls for the Skull Throne!

Braaaaaaiiiinnzz!

(Listen to scJazz - he knows more about a lot of stuff than I know about a little stuff)

[Devil Fox]

Shar Wolf, on 09 October 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Because (for me at least) it does make a difference in the PUG scene - 2 out of 3 games anyways.

Assuming no premades get pissy about it (here is a hint - if we ask if you mind, and you do not respond then you forfeit the right to get upset.) then shifting mechs with similar roles (lights w/ lights or Jenners w/ fast Dragons for hit and run type or whatever works with what we have) DOES make a difference, even in the random world of PUGing

The problem is everytime someone has assumed control and started moving people they don't ask... I've also had the 1 pug screw up not 1 premade... but 2 on the same team. Needless to say the other premade wasn't impressed

Shifting roles is one thing but it still doesn't really change the pug experience that it's 'everybody for themselves' mentality when you solo play, with a premade or even just a single mate you tend to try together and co-operate. Hell half the teams with pugs these days I'm finding that the 4man is forced into the front line whilst the freshly armoured pugs wait until end game to move in to clean up all the kills.

This feature doesn't overally change the pug experience, whilst can have a negative effect on the mood of your team's premade. Afterall 4 mechs in one lance all hunchbacks, or Victors, or Atlas has to mean something... ok sure the flamer hunch's are suicide balls... but it's still a premade

[StarGeezer]

Shar Wolf, on 09 October 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

StarGeezer, the big issue I would have with dropping with you is I communicate with my team a lot by typing - and knowing that there is someone on my side actively ignoring it means what I am doing is in part at least a waste of time and effort.
I am sure you understand I would much rather have that on the other team

Perhaps I can help by communicating here some of what goes into my thought processes as touching upon this topic. There are two main reasons I tend to "tune out" in-game chat. The first I already alluded to. It is a measure of preservation of the scant remnants of my sanity against the neverending tide of azzhattery often found with game chats. The innocuous and random elicitations for bacon, pie or Blake I can deal with. The ones who routinely start out saying "pre-mades are for p--[redacted - "lady parts" or ineffectual persons]...those, I can live without. They are doing so to illicit a response, and I refuse to give any satisfaction in that regard.

However, there is a second cause which may better help you understand, or at least "walk a mile in my moccasins." I am a man of a certain age. I have failing eyesight, poor reflexes, arthritic limbs, and on my best day was never great at multitasking. Considering that most of the time when we drop, my hands are already on the mouse and analog throttle, responding to in-game chat involves 1. reading what has been typed, and 2. repositioning my hands on the keyboard to compose a response in a timely fashion. Having done so, I then have to re-orient my hands on the controllers, which may only take a few seconds for most folks, but slows me down sufficiently where I have been cored through-and-through while typing an in-game reply. There is also the matter of being "focused" on battle to an extent that I simply don't see the chat in my increasingly narrowing peripheral vision.

So it isn't a personal and intentional affront against you or indeed anyone else. I may actually "see" something in team chat but not acknowledge it because to do so leaves me vulnerable in certain circumstances, given my unique "challenges."

I hope that helps clear some things up. No hard feelings at all, I understand you feel passionately about it.

scJazz, on 09 October 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Is there some particular purpose to keeping this thread alive? Because, I honestly don't see the point in it anymore.

Let it rest! Die peacefully, off of the 1st page!

Hey Jazzy, I'm all for it. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to gouge my eyes out over a certain recent thread where principally two individuals argued in circles over the relative merits or lack thereof of firing ones weapons at the beginning of a match. But I let it go because they both felt strongly about it, and when I reached my capacity for taking any more in, I simply stopped reading the thread.

I tend to be very pragmatic about such things.

Edited by StarGeezer, 09 October 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[Devil Fox]

BigBadVlad, on 09 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

You'd think a group of 4 coordinating together over voice comm's would appreciate someone trying to organize the team to be more effective! Instead they whine, "Now my arrow on the map is a different color than my buddy!"

We would complain, why? Because the 4man is more effective together then spread amongst the puglets, you don't work with pugs, you give them the gist of what you're going to do and pray they provide support or at least a distraction. I use the coloured arrows to instantly locate my teammates so I know avenues of retreat and what they are fighting in that area their holding.

It is in effect having the opposite effect on premades, that it does on pugs.

StarGeezer, on 09 October 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Hey Jazzy, I'm all for it. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to gouge my eyes out over a certain recent thread where principally two individuals argued in circles over the relative merits or lack thereof of firing ones weapons at the beginning of a match. But I let it go because they both felt strongly about it, and when I reached my capacity for taking any more in, I simply stopped reading the thread.

I tend to be very pragmatic about such things.

Amen... seems some topics are becoming a troll match these days.

Edited by Apostal, 09 October 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[LauLiao]

Mycrus, on 06 October 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

irregardless

Is not a word

[Mycrus]

LauLiao, on 09 October 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Is not a word

Iz too...

[Heavenly Angel]

I always break up lances when I see them because it stops them from running off on their own and leaving the team to fight 8 vs 12.

[Xmasterspy]

Magnakanus, on 07 October 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

Every TK hurts your team. Though I have to admit I smile every time when that one guy that cant contain his joy-fire and shoots his team mates at the start of the game gets TKed into the dirt.

So you know... I had a bug where if I were to alt-tab to a different window across my 3 montors, I could not get back into the game without pressing the mouse button 9 (some reason alt-tab back would not work). I would wait until no one was around before I would click. However, someone alwasy seemed to jump in front of my shots. So no, I have no problem containing my joy-fire, just a problem with people that TK other players.

As for this topic, I really only want to play with my friends on Mumble\TS. Do not move me without asking first. I am here to play with my friends.

[Marlowe Lecter]

Mycrus, on 06 October 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

oh because the commander can transfer you to the enemy team....

there was a time where separate lance colors did not exist and that fancy little table didn't either...

if you are a premade in comms - TALK to each other... irregardless of what lance you get dropped in...

at the end of the day if a puggie commander groups your premade right (assaults with assaults / lights with lights) overall teamwork will improve... and not just your widdle 4-man

I agree with almost everything in this post - except for your use of irregardless. The word you are looking for is regardless.

[Mogney]

I am awed by your mastery of 5th grade English. You are clearly very proud of that yourself.