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[Apoc1138]

Almond Brown, on 10 October 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Interesting point indeed. It seems like they let the "players" into the game to soon. We got in after 1 year of production, most games, back in the day, would have 2 - 2.5 years of production done before ever allowing the "players" to see it. The times are a changing. If for the better? I would vote NO!

yeah, I agree, though part of the problem is that they let players in at the point they thought the games was "fun", which it was, kind of... what they didn't realise at the time was that the year of work they'd done to get the LAN version of the game working, needed to be completely re-done from the ground up to get it working online, which is where we are now

in hindsight, I wish I hadn't started playing till about 4 months ago, instead of well over a year ago

[LauLiao]

I'm tired of seeing this "comparison". Yes for all the content in MWO it would cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars. Yes there are retail games that are complete for $50-$70. But I promise you that there is no (legal) free option to play a retail release.

[Chemie]

It cost me $60 for founders and I still have 11,000 MC in the bank and have not activated the 2 months premium since, well, they have not released the game yet (meaning the game that was promised aka "3 months after open beta" CW.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

If I could only buy Engines, Upgrades, and Modules with MC.

[tvaughanx]

Sandpit, on 14 October 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

Total cost of MWO is $0

You can play for free AND be totally competitive with any person who drops cash. There's no cost associated with playing MWO. With that said, yes the prices on stuff just seems a bit too high to me with the exception of mech bays

Ok you wanna be that technically lets get this right it cost money to have internet to have a a computer to have electricity ect. Free to play sure but lets be real you have to spend money to enjoy this game an at the bare min this forum was about how much the cost of all the content in this game is. So calling it free is silly its like saying its free to turn your computer on nothing is free period. Also saying that you can be competitive with out spending money with a veterans founder tag only proves that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[CypherHalo]

Well, to be fair, I don't think they expect anyone to buy EVERYTHING. However, that is as magnanimous as I get. The prices in this game are simply insane. Hawken sells mechs for $5 a pop and has far less mechs to sell. This game wants you to get 3 variants of the SAME mech in order to fully master it (that is a lot of time invested right there) and yet charges tons more (not to mention mech bays, a feature designed only to nickel and dime you as games like Hawken and League of Legends prove). The prices simply make no sense, especially when the supply is so plentiful. Even at $5 a pop, to buy every mech in this game would still be a very hefty amount. There is simply no reason a single mech should be $20 or more.

[Sandpit]

tvaughanx, on 16 October 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Ok you wanna be that technically lets get this right it cost money to have internet to have a a computer to have electricity ect. Free to play sure but lets be real you have to spend money to enjoy this game an at the bare min this forum was about how much the cost of all the content in this game is. So calling it free is silly its like saying its free to turn your computer on nothing is free period. Also saying that you can be competitive with out spending money with a veterans founder tag only proves that you have no clue what you are talking about.

making blanket statements about a player you know nothing about proves YOU have no clue what you're talking about. I still have all of my MC AND premium time I obtained from founders. I don't have a founders mech so I get no c-bill bonus. So tell me again oh wise one how I don't know what it's like to play as a free player? Please, enlighten me. I'd love to hear it.

Game = free

Competitive game = free

Not spending time grinding and earning = pay money

[Starwulfe]

Remember the days when you got a complete game with ALL the features for $40-60?

Edited by Starwulfe, 16 October 2013 - 05:48 PM.

[Sandpit]

Starwulfe, on 16 October 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Remember the days when you got a complete game with ALL the features for $40-60?

Instead of a complete game for free....?

What features do you not get other than colors, bobbleheads, and camos for free?

[MadcatX]

Sandpit, on 16 October 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Instead of a incomplete game for free....?

What features do you not get other than colors, bobbleheads, and camos for free?

There, fixed that for you.

[Sandpit]

MadcatX, on 16 October 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

There, fixed that for you.

No, no you didn't. You can load up the game. You can play. For Free. It's a complete gaming experience. For free. You can play the exact same game in teh exact same manner with the exact same mechs (with exceptions of hero mechs". For free. Did I mention the free part?

If you're talking about features such as CW and UI2.0 then discuss those. Use those examples to show WHY you're disappointed about the game, devs, etc. Don't make blanket statements like the game is incomplete. There's never going to be a true "end game" because it's an MMO. That's not how they work.

PGI is a poorly run company that has discredited itself and done one of the most horrible jobs of PR, communication, and downright deceitful business practices I have seen in a long time. That's my opinion but it's also a statement as to WHAT is wrong with this game at the moment. It isn't a completely inaccurate description of the game as being incomplete, not free, p2w, etc.

If people REALLY want to have the devs implement ideas, suggestions, etc. then they need to be done in an articulate and constructive manner. Posting "This game suxxors" or "I can't play for free" or "This P2W game suxxors" does nothing at all. Except maybe make people feel like they "stuck it to PGI that time"

[Mycrus]

tvaughanx, on 16 October 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Also saying that you can be competitive with out spending money with a veterans founder tag only proves that you have no clue what you are talking about.

I call BS.

I have a guild mate that is strictly free to play.. He has 4 bays and just goes through buying and selling mechs. He has more cbill banked than me because he typically plays high damage dealing brawlers.. I'm pretty sure I play more often than him too..

I'm pretty sure he got into closed beta, either as an invite or through pc gamer..

[MadcatX]

Sandpit, on 16 October 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

No, no you didn't. You can load up the game. You can play. For Free. It's a complete gaming experience. For free. You can play the exact same game in teh exact same manner with the exact same mechs (with exceptions of hero mechs". For free. Did I mention the free part?

If you're talking about features such as CW and UI2.0 then discuss those. Use those examples to show WHY you're disappointed about the game, devs, etc. Don't make blanket statements like the game is incomplete. There's never going to be a true "end game" because it's an MMO. That's not how they work.

For starters, this isn't an MMO. Yes.. you can play this game for free, never said you couldn't. However, yes, this game is incomplete. At some point along the beta testing road elements such as role warfare and CW went from being advertised as elements which were going to be part of the core engagement of this game to, as you put it, features. Things such as lobbies are considered features to be implemented at a later date.

But I suppose "complete" is subjective in the F2P realm.

I've come to terms long ago that PGI doesn't really care about my ideas, suggestions, etc. PGI will do pretty much whatever they want to do. Well, correction, they'll do what these stakeholders will green-light. It's not something I'm overly concerned about since it's not like I had much of a say when it came to previous MW titles heh.

[Sandpit]

MadcatX, on 16 October 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

For starters, this isn't an MMO. Yes.. you can play this game for free, never said you couldn't. However, yes, this game is incomplete. At some point along the beta testing road elements such as role warfare and CW went from being advertised as elements which were going to be part of the core engagement of this game to, as you put it, features. Things such as lobbies are considered features to be implemented at a later date.

But I suppose "complete" is subjective in the F2P realm.

I've come to terms long ago that PGI doesn't really care about my ideas, suggestions, etc. PGI will do pretty much whatever they want to do. Well, correction, they'll do what these stakeholders will green-light. It's not something I'm overly concerned about since it's not like I had much of a say when it came to previous MW titles heh.

Uhm.... MMO
Massively
Multiplayer
Online
Uhm can you play this game any other way except as an online multiplayer massive game?

I can understand the apathy and cynicism I'm really about one step above just being a rage nerd myself.

[MadcatX]

Sandpit, on 16 October 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Uhm.... MMO
Massively
Multiplayer
Online
Uhm can you play this game any other way except as an online multiplayer massive game?

I can understand the apathy and cynicism I'm really about one step above just being a rage nerd myself.

MMO's are mostly persistent game worlds allowing large amounts of people to interact at the same time, which is why the term MMO was created in the first place. This game, just like Quake 3 Arena for example, uses exclusively instanced gameplay sessions where you will not, at any one time, play the game with more then 23 other players online, unlike guild wars 2, EVE online, etc.

[Sandpit]

you're arguing schematics. There's no rpg or metagame but it's still an mmo

[Whatzituyah]

Sandpit, on 17 October 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

you're arguing schematics. There's no rpg or metagame but it's still an mmo

You know what you just made an error there is a metagame forum but yet there isn't a metagame? I would say your the one who doesn't know what their talking about. Also I admit that the colors are a bit too expensive I mean I know they have to get the money from somewhere but the paints are a bit pricy! How is someone going to look different from the rest if its pricy?

Edited by Whatzituyah, 17 October 2013 - 11:56 PM.

[MadcatX]

Sandpit, on 17 October 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

you're arguing schematics. There's no rpg or metagame but it's still an mmo

Thus using your definition, starcraft is a MMORTS, Call of Duty is a MMMOFPS, Diablo 3 is a MMO action-RPG....

It's not semantics or else every single video game that can be played online would already have the MMO prefix. if this WERE a MMO, you would at the very least have a pilot avatar that could walk around and meet all the other players online at that time.

[Kmieciu]

Sandpit, on 17 October 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

you're arguing schematics. There's no rpg or metagame but it's still an mmo

http://en.wikipedia....yer_online_game
"massively multiplayer online game (also called and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet Many games have at least one persistent world, however others just have large numbers of players competing at once in one form or another without any lasting effect to the world at all. "
"The growth in technology meant that where Neverwinter Nights in 1991 had been limited to 50 simultaneous players (a number that grew to 500 by 1995), by the year 2000 a multitude of MMORPGs were each serving thousands of simultaneous players and led the way for games such as World of Warcraft and EVE Online"

You can argue that 24 players is a massive number, and your mech hangar is permanent, but the fact is MWO is as much an MMO as Call of Duty or Battlefield . You play online matches and unlock stuff. No more. No less.

Sandpit, on 16 October 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Instead of a complete game for free....?

What features do you not get other than colors, bobbleheads, and camos for free?

There are 18 mechs currently you can obtain only by paying $$$. To get the others, you have to spend your time = money.
The only thing free are the 4 trial mechs and the *** kicking you will get while using them against seasoned players in customized mechs.

Edited by Kmieciu, 18 October 2013 - 03:21 AM.

[tvaughanx]

Mycrus, on 16 October 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

I call BS.

I have a guild mate that is strictly free to play.. He has 4 bays and just goes through buying and selling mechs. He has more cbill banked than me because he typically plays high damage dealing brawlers.. I'm pretty sure I play more often than him too..

I'm pretty sure he got into closed beta, either as an invite or through pc gamer..

the point of my statement is if you started spending money on this game before it came out how do you know that you can play this game for free duh.