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[Funkupotamous]

I bet we'll see a few more pictures better detailing scale before release. Still waiting on that Thunderbolt pic...

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowbaneX, on 08 October 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

If it's not here it doesn't count.

you must lead an exceedingly frustrated life, lol.

[ShadowbaneX]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

you must lead an exceedingly frustrated life, lol.

When it comes to MWO & my Shadow Hawk? Yes...:'(

[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

hopeful hitbox projection........

I would be A-ok with that

But I can say with 99.9% certainty that this is what we will get:



It could be worse, but it is at least one of the better hitboxes in mwo if you ignore the crotch CT, and the LT and RT sitting on top of the CT.

And ofc how it should look:

Edited by Carrioncrows, 08 October 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

problem is, neither mech screeny is taken form another mechs POV, or even from the exact same locations, so due to perspective changes, they are, sadly, useless as references.

Unfortunately this. It seems to me like the SHD is only slightly shorter than the BLR, roughly trebuchet size. Maybe line up the laser housing size on the SHD arm to the laser housing on the BLR chest? Or perhaps missile tube circle size? I think the weapons all use the same size mesh, but I could be wrong.

Edited by Rizzelbizzeg, 08 October 2013 - 02:14 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Rizzelbizzeg, on 08 October 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Unfortunately this. It seems to me like the SHD is only slightly shorter than the BLR, roughly trebuchet size. Maybe line up the laser housing size on the SHD arm to the laser housing on the BLR chest? Or perhaps missile tube circle size? I think the weapons all use the same size mesh, but I could be wrong.

unfortunately they aren't. Put a PPC on BJ and then one on an Orion and you get totally different scales.

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

unfortunately they aren't. Put a PPC on BJ and then one on an Orion and you get totally different scales.

Aww bummer

Missile holes, tho? Those might at least get you close? I guess it doesn't really matter at this point, we shall see in a week!

Edited by Rizzelbizzeg, 08 October 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Jin Ma]

mwhighlander, on 08 October 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

brb, checking to see how tall that actually is in the training grounds.


Otherwise, not rediculously fat at least. So thats a plus





Bad news, the Shadowhawk is about as tall (if not taller) than a cataphract, which is 15 tons bigger.

The good news, its alot thinner.

The bad new, PGI is living up to their standards of {Scrap} scalling. I am dissapoint.

wow i was just clicking over to the training grounds to do that comparison. looks like i don't have to now.

but yeah its going to be massive.


lol you'd think they scaled these off of Dougram, where these mechs were actually the same size because they were in the same weight in that universe.

Edited by Jin Ma, 08 October 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[John MatriX82]

SH looks thin, but also quite tall. The BM looks good, but basically it's the only mech worth the whole package, I'll wait but given how Kintaroes and Orions have deeply failed me, I was looking towards the SH for the next month..

Now I'm not sure what to think about it, as usual they could make it less tall (as the Trebuchet is too tall for its size), I guess that the good old mechs will keep on going to miss new friends in my hangar. Glad I didn't went Phoneix.

Edited by John MatriX82, 08 October 2013 - 02:59 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

John MatriX82, on 08 October 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

SH looks thin, but also quite tall. The BM looks good, but basically it's the only mech worth the whole package, I'll wait but given how Kintaroes and Orions have deeply failed me, I was looking towards the SH for the next month..

Now I'm not sure what to think about it, as usual they could make it less tall (as the Trebuchet is too tall for its size), I guess that the good old mechs will keep on going to miss new friends in my hangar. Glad I didn't went Phoneix.

I think I'll wait til I see REAL size comparisons. None posted on here are remotely "able to stand up in court".

[General Taskeen]

The scale is one thing, which is a reasonable complaint compared to most things in MWO. I certainly don't recall Medium Mechs being this huge in previous games, which was a good thing.

The hitboxes, on the otherhand, have me worried most. We already have CT Cored Warrior Online - which is pretty bad in comparison to previous Mech Warrior games (at least 4 and LL) where you could be just a walking torso with nothing left in 90% of engagements.

Note that nobody here is really complaining about the looks of these Mechs (see, isn't that a plus?), the 3D models are excellent - its how they play that matters.

Edited by General Taskeen, 08 October 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[IceLom]

It looks nice and skinny, can't wait to try it. Also stop obsessing over height, look at size. Skinny and tall is still good.

Lastly we have no good perspective so we really have no idea.

As of right now this looks like it might be the first medium I try.

[CygnusX7]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

I think I'll wait til I see REAL size comparisons. None posted on here are remotely "able to stand up in court".

Not intended for your court sire. A minor effort to show its not quite as bad as it seems.
BH screen is taken from a POV above the "garage" causing it to look shorter than it is.
SH screen is taken from a POV below or even to the "garage" causing it to look taller than it is.
Comparing the 2 separate images fools people into believing they are the same height which they are not.

[Bishop Steiner]

CygnusX7, on 08 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

Not intended for your court sire. A minor effort to show its not quite as bad as it seems.
BH screen is taken from a POV above the "garage" causing it to look shorter than it is.
SH screen is taken from a POV below or even to the "garage" causing it to look taller than it is.
Comparing the 2 separate images fools people into believing they are the same height which they are not.

Fully understandable, I get that, and appreciate it, just wish people would not take them as gospel. Without a fixed reference it's pretty bloody impossible to be sure, really the "closest" way atm would be to team drop on Crimson Strait, find the garage and have a teammate direct you to the reference. Then we might know.

[Hans Von Lohman]

This argument about the height of the Shadow Hawk is pretty simple to figure out. Again, time to whip out some BattleTech CSI skills on you people.

There are shadows in the picture. There is a vertical surface to the left of the Shadow Hawk with horizontal bars.

How many bars high on the door of that warehouse/hangar do you see when compared to a Victor and to a Centurion?

To me the Shadow Hawk appears to be as tall as the Centurion's left arm armored fin thingy, but not nearly as tall as the Victor.

[Jin Ma]

Hans Von Lohman, on 08 October 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

This argument about the height of the Shadow Hawk is pretty simple to figure out. Again, time to whip out some BattleTech CSI skills on you people.

There are shadows in the picture. There is a vertical surface to the left of the Shadow Hawk with horizontal bars.

How many bars high on the door of that warehouse/hangar do you see when compared to a Victor and to a Centurion?

To me the Shadow Hawk appears to be as tall as the Centurion's left arm armored fin thingy, but not nearly as tall as the Victor.

cool experiment. as long as these mechs are standing in the exact same position. it honestly comes out quite a bit taller than the centurion. Its going to be the tallest medium we have.

might try the same thing with the battlemaster to see how tall it is

udate:

its just a bit shorter than the highlander.




so at least the battlemaster is about the right size. I don't know what their obsession with oversized mediums is though

Edited by Jin Ma, 08 October 2013 - 07:27 PM.

[Hans Von Lohman]

Well, you can see the feet of the Shadow Hawk in that screenshot posted on Twitter. I did try to get my position pretty close to that spot.

I did my best.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 08 October 2013 - 07:23 PM.

[Jin Ma]

Hans Von Lohman, on 08 October 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Well, you can see the feet of the Shadow Hawk in that screenshot posted on Twitter. I did try to get my position pretty close to that spot.

I did my best.

i mean its better than anything else we have right now. and really its probably the most accurate estimate of height we'v ever had on an unreleased mech

[Hans Von Lohman]

I like the technique as you can run any mech without needing to do anything other that go onto the training ground.

I actually got the idea from Mythbusters about an episode dealing with debunking myths about the Apollo moon landings photo's being faked or real.

[Alek Ituin]

Hans Von Lohman, on 08 October 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

I like the technique as you can run any mech without needing to do anything other that go onto the training ground.

I actually got the idea from Mythbusters about an episode dealing with debunking myths about the Apollo moon landings photo's being faked or real.

It's actually some damn fine work.

Best thing we have so far like Jin Ma said, and certainly better than speculation. However, all this will be put to the test in 7 (almost 6 days now) days when they finally launch.