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#1 Mr D One

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:46 AM

"14 hours ago - Harmony Gold SDCC 2013 G.I. Joe / Transformers Crossover Set Lawsuit Dismissed."


Harmony Gold who likes doing nothing to collect money from Macross mecha designs pursued this Phoenix Hawk, Super VF Booster pack from this toy, and failed.

So logic says PGI could render this fast pack/Phoenix Hawk part in game since precedent has been cited.

You could also say that since this part design is part of a universe that is now legally clear than said other designs of the universe could reappear as well.

Time to re-up the original MWO Warhammer vs Atlas trailer PGI.

xoxo

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Edited by Dar1ng One, 14 October 2013 - 03:48 AM.


#2 Heffay

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 05:42 AM

View PostDar1ng One, on 14 October 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

"14 hours ago - Harmony Gold SDCC 2013 G.I. Joe / Transformers Crossover Set Lawsuit Dismissed."


Harmony Gold who likes doing nothing to collect money from Macross mecha designs pursued this Phoenix Hawk, Super VF Booster pack from this toy, and failed.

So logic says PGI could render this fast pack/Phoenix Hawk part in game since precedent has been cited.

You could also say that since this part design is part of a universe that is now legally clear than said other designs of the universe could reappear as well.

Time to re-up the original MWO Warhammer vs Atlas trailer PGI.

xoxo

:ph34r:


It won't keep them from suing again, unfortunately. However, it could significantly reduce the legal fees for PGI should they choose to take a stab at this.

#3 Egomane

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:05 AM

It looks like HG and Hasbro settled the thing between them and therefore the court dismissed the lawsuit. The documents can be found on the net.

It doesn't mean that the design of the P-Hawk is now free for all. It only means, that those two can no longer go to court over it again with each other. It will not stop HG from suing the hell out of other competitors, who dare to use the design.

Edited by Egomane, 14 October 2013 - 06:08 AM.


#4 Lord Ikka

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 04:16 PM

View PostEgomane, on 14 October 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

It looks like HG and Hasbro settled the thing between them and therefore the court dismissed the lawsuit. The documents can be found on the net.

It doesn't mean that the design of the P-Hawk is now free for all. It only means, that those two can no longer go to court over it again with each other. It will not stop HG from suing the hell out of other competitors, who dare to use the design.

^^ Exactly. That's the problem with HG- they'll sue anyone because they're hoping to get a settlement without actually having to fight said lawsuit. It's frivolous legality at it's worst.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 02:08 AM

Frankly, FASA started the fight with suing Playmates, a sister company of Harmony Gold. Up to this point HG didnt seem to be bothered by FASA using "their" Designs. Also, this whole case is a really awkward one, as far as I can judge, because FASA DID aquire the rights for the designs from TCI but HG said TCI did not have the rights for these particular designs.

And nobody could actually prove, if TCI was having the rights of these designs, so...


...In or about 1984, defendant FASA created a fictional universe called “Battletech” which formed the basis for board games, role-playing games, novels, and game systems. The original “Battletech” game included both robotic images and model kits based on the Macross designs. FASA claims to have acquired the rights to these model kits and images from Twentieth Century Imports(“TCI”), which allegedly acquired them from Tatsunoko.

Edit: I also found this one. I don`t know if this is true though:

FASA originally licensed their varied anime designs from Twentieth Century Imports, who did have the import derivatives rights. When Harmony Gold sued them over the Macross designs, FASA won, but they removed the designs because even if they could win the case, it cost them too much money (and the original reason for using them, the lack of original designs and time pressure to get models cast, was gone as Battletech had a much larger design library), and Revell (who had licensed some of the other products for their toy lines) were getting greedy eyes, and they had deeper pockets than FASA.

And since in 2002 Big West sued Tatsunoko over the derivative rights issue in Japan and won, if HG try it on again they'll get a proper kicking in court, because their original derivative works license was invalid, and FASA's wasn't.

Edit2: I would so love to see someone trying to bring the Unssen designs back to the BattleTech franchise , if only for the Warhammer!

Edited by Erasus Magnus, 18 October 2013 - 02:21 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostErasus Magnus, on 18 October 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

Frankly, FASA started the fight with suing Playmates, a sister company of Harmony Gold.


And those who've fully read the court docs availabe on the 'net know that the court ruled that FASA had valid reasons for suing Playmates toys; and thus were operating in good faith.

In fact, here's what tipped off that lawsuit:

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Up to this point HG didnt seem to be bothered by FASA using "their" Designs.


HG had sent fasa a number of cease and decist letters over the visuals for some while before the PM case. Years before.

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Also, this whole case is a really awkward one, as far as I can judge, because FASA DID aquire the rights for the designs from TCI but HG said TCI did not have the rights for these particular designs.


It is impossible to determine the exact status of TCI's rights to the visuals of the 'mechs in question, because we don't have that documentation.

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FASA originally licensed their varied anime designs from Twentieth Century Imports, who did have the import derivatives rights. When Harmony Gold sued them over the Macross designs, FASA won, ...


Fasa did not win the HG suit OR the playmates case. They didn't loose either of them.

In the FASA v Playmates toys, they didn't get what they wanted from playmates; and playmates in return didn't get their court fees paid by fasa. The only real outcome of the FASA V Playmates toys case was that FASA proved that they had "protectible trade dress" - meaning they had content unique enough to protect in court as far as the visuals were concerned.

In HG v FASA the case was settled out of court and the details of the document are secret to this day.

Fasa DID than remove ALL third party visuals from their lineup simpy to cover their legal ... rumps, as it were. They also got rid of lore units like the fighting urak-hai and such.

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And since in 2002 Big West sued Tatsunoko over the derivative rights issue in Japan and won, if HG try it on again they'll get a proper kicking in court, because their original derivative works license was invalid, and FASA's wasn't.


TCI got their rights from the same place that HG had - tatsunoko. This means that fasa's rights to the visuals were just as illegitmate as HG's.

I believe in the beginning that HG and FASA were both operating in good faith and did honestly believe they had the rights to what they were using.

However, HG has still been running around dropping cease and decists and lawsuits over the visuals EVEN THOUGH it has been shown in japanese court that Tatsunoko does NOT/did NOT have the rights to those visuals.

IMO HG is simply using the threat of court costs to bully everyone in the states over those visuals and I hope they will bully the wrong deep pockets and get properly spanked for their bad behavior.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 04:58 PM

Time to Buy Harmony Gold - what´s their Net Worth ?

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:24 PM

View PostFuro, on 19 October 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Time to Buy Harmony Gold - what´s their Net Worth ?


I don't know.

But don't think I haven't filed it under "things to do if I ever get to be filthy rich."





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