271 replies to this topic

[Sandpit]

So I've gotten into a few "discussions" today in the various "Remove this" threads popping up on the forums. Just as an example I have started a list to help prove a point

Locusts
Spiders
Quickdraws
HBK-4P
Catapult-A1
Highlanders
All Clan Mechs

TK Penalty
Heat Damage to Head
Film Grain
Convergence
Waiting Period for Mechs still in matches
Pop Tarting
Pinpoint Damage
Jumping and Shooting at the same time
Disconnects
In Game Text Chat

RC Map
Frozen Map
Crimson Strait map
Alpine Map
River City Night
FC Map
Terra Therma Map
Caustic Valley

Kills as a Victory Condition
Capping as a Victory Condition (Thanks to Roadbeer)

Single heatsinks
Double Heatsinks
Heat Scale
Engine heat Sink Requirements
Hit Boxes
Head Shots
Leg Kills (taking out both legs)

Artemis
SSRMs
PPCs
AC2
UAC5
AC5
AC20
Small Lasers
AMS
MGs
Gauss rifles
Alpha Strikes
LRM Min Range

FF Armor
Hardpoints
Coolant Flush
Company Command button
Lance Command button
Cockpit Glass
Dirt/Film on Cockpit Glass

Testing Grounds
Conquest game mode
Assault game mode
Air strikes

ECM
TAG
Hero Mechs (all of them)
the ready button
Pilot Skills
Ghost Heat
Arms from mechs
JJ Shake
Shooting while jumping


Smoke on the battlefield
Gauss Charge
Capture Points
Trial Mechs
Atlases from Trial Mech Rotation
Premades
Boar's Head
ELO
Seismic
Entire Mechlab (one of my personal favs)
Missile Bay Doors

4 man groups
12 man groups
Gyros
Any and All Actuators
Mech Arms
Mouse and Keyboard control options (Joysticks only)
Guaranteed C-Bills for winning or losing
Daily Double Rewards
Forum Posting for Players
Lance Adjustment in ready screen
KDR
Edit: Added More Items seen today on forums
Added another as of 1-14-13


These are just the things I found in a quick search. I will add to the list as others are found.

Now, before you post a "remove" thread I'd like you to let this list soak in for a minute. If everything on this list was actually removed, what would be left? I wanted to have a visual representation of why this is ridiculous.

Just because you have an issue with something in the game or think something is broken and/or needs to be fixed doesn't mean it should be removed entirely from the game. I understand that everyone feels they have valid reasons as to why they would request this but the point remains that if they really did remove everything that players requested we would have no game.

So instead of asking for something to be removed try posting on what the issue is and how it can be fixed in a constructive manner. If you have an idea for a fix or revamp of something then post THAT instead of calling for a complete removal of something
Edited to add in-game text chat

Edited by Sandpit, 23 July 2014 - 09:16 PM.

[Nutlink]

Pretty sure that folks that ask for the Spider and ECM to be removed won't be in the same camp as those asking for Gauss to be removed (generally speaking). Personally I don't want them to remove anything - just fix the damn things.

[Davoke]

*both gamemodes removed*
Well now we have a fancy CryEngine3 mech lab simulator!

[Ransack]

There is still no need for the ready button in PuG drops. it should be removed.

[Sandpit]

Everyone asking for something to be removed is in the same camp. The "remove" this camp. I'm merely pointing out how ridiculous it is when you stop looking at your (not anyone in particular) issue as a singular entity and see just how often that specific request is made and just how much of the game would actually be removed regardless of "why" you think it should be removed

[Roadbeer]

I like where your going, and I will reference it in "Why you're probably wrong. Part 2"

Coming soon.

[Sandpit]

Roadbeer, on 16 October 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

I like where your going, and I will reference it in "Why you're probably wrong. Part 2"

Coming soon.

Sounds good to me. I'm on neither side of the argument. PGI screws up and has done some **** poor things and made horrible decisions. Players troll and rage because they think they have the right idea. I just point out the fallacies on both sides and call em like I sees em.

[Sandpit]

And actually Road, you gave me the idea for this. After getting into yet another senseless argument on someone wanting SSRMs removed using this exact same example I decided to start a list to hopefully get people to understand why a "remove this" thread just isn't something that's generally a good "idea"

[Roadbeer]

You forgot Capping as a victory condition.

[Sandpit]

If you run across any other requests you've seen on the forums calling for the removal of something feel free to let me know and I'll add it to the list

[Roadbeer]

In the "Remove x maps" thread, someone added Alpine, so feel free to add that as well.

[Livewyr]

Remove this thread. (And many others.)

[Sandpit]

no, don't think I will. I'll file that one under the remove players' ability to post on forums though

Livewyr, on 16 October 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Remove this thread. (And many others.)

[Roadbeer]

So far, we have removal of all maps but Canyon and Caustic.
Both game modes
all victory conditions
all forms of controllers.
All forms of grouping except solo....

Never underestimate the stupidity of a mob.

[Sandpit]

I'm going to regroup and reorder them when I get a chance

I jsut wanted to show how it all comes together. When one person says remove this they don't seem to understand what they're really asking. The reason why doesn't matter.

The perfect example I can think of was collisions. Yea it was borked and it didn't work right but at least there was a collision system that prevented lights from just slamming into mechs to face hug without any consequences. You can't jsut remove every feature that is buggy or you don't like. I just wanted to illustrate what that would entail as a total list not just one person's idea

[The Justicar]

As long as ghost heat is gone, we'd still be in a better place.

[Sandpit]

The Justicar, on 16 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

As long as ghost heat is gone, we'd still be in a better place.

you're missing the point

[C E Dwyer]

I'm surprised the remove tk penalty is in as I've replied to posts that say increase it..but hey ho..obviously an I shouldn't be punished for taking the law into my own hands thread ?

The Justicar, on 16 October 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

As long as ghost heat is gone, we'd still be in a better place.

Lets remove halloween as well, that has ghosts, or lizards as they have scale's and live in hot places

Edited by Cathy, 17 October 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 16 October 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

So I've gotten into a few "discussions" today in the various "Remove this" threads popping up on the forums. Just as an example I have started a list to help prove a point*SNIP*

Holy {Scrap}!!! That list would remove the game from the game!!!!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 17 October 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Why did they ask for Testing grounds to be removed..its harmless...

whats next...Puppies and Kittens ?