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#1 Woodstock

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:20 PM

So my questions is ... how do I compare to first off the minimum spec ... and second the recommended spec.

I'm not a tech god ...so keep your answers simple please.

Current PC:


OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
System RAM: 3326 MB
CPU Name: Intel® Pentium® Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz
CPU Speeds: 2200
Physical CPUs: 1
Virtual CPUs: 2
Video Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT
VRAM: 512 MB
Language: English (United States)
Free Hard Drive Space: 280599 MB

Minimum Spec:


MechWarrior Online Minimum System Spec:

CPU:
Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz
Athlon II X2 245e
GPU:
GeForce 8800GT
Radeon HD 5600/5700
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Windows Vista 32-bit
DirectX: DX9
HDD Space: 4 GB
MechWarrior Online Recommended System Spec:

CPU: Core i3-2500 AMD Athlon II X4 650
GPU: GeForce GTX 285 Radeon HD 5830
RAM: 8 GB OS: Windows 7 SP-1 64-Bit
DirectX: DX9
HDD Space: 4 GB

Edited by Woodstock, 15 June 2012 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:25 PM

My fear is I don't even hit the minimum spec for pretty much anything ... :(

Also ...whats the cheapest machine that will hit the recommended spec.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:25 PM

Your CPU and GPU are just below the mark for the 1080p baseline. You may be able to play at okay settings at lower resolutions, although your CPU will hold you back greatly.
I would recommend an upgrade.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:25 PM

not well

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:32 PM

I think your video card is fine but your processor isn't quite up to snuff.

Time for a Core i7 :(

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:34 PM

This is what I feared ... Can someone explain to me the recommended processor and graphics card

Are these top of the range models?

what are the specs of those parts ... ram of the graphics card etc

I need to put together a BUDGET machine that will hit the recommended spec.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:50 PM

how does this PC compare?

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CCL Elite Harrier II Gaming PC
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 8GB DDR3 Memory
  • AMD Radeon HD 6570
  • 500GB Hard Drive
or this one:


CCL Elite Buzzard II Gaming PC

(CCL-EL-BUZ2)
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
  • 500GB Hard Drive

Edited by Woodstock, 15 June 2012 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:51 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

This is what I feared ... Can someone explain to me the recommended processor and graphics card

Are these top of the range models?

what are the specs of those parts ... ram of the graphics card etc

I need to put together a BUDGET machine that will hit the recommended spec.

Budget to reach recommended spec;
Motherboard + CPU combo; http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.956403 $285
(minimum; http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.956520 $245, however the above will be a better deal)
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102948 or http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130664 $160
(though this is a much better deal as long as it is on sale; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102987 )
(although I recommend this for $100 more without the sale; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814131472 )
RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820103006 $45

Total:
Minimum- $460
Recommended minimum- $500
$540 if you go for the 6950
$600 if you go with the 7850 OC

+$100 for windows 7 if you don't already have it. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 15 June 2012 - 09:53 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:55 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

how does this PC compare?

[color=#000000]


CCL Elite Harrier II Gaming PC
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 8GB DDR3 Memory
  • AMD Radeon HD 6570
  • 500GB Hard Drive
or this one:



CCL Elite Buzzard II Gaming PC

(CCL-EL-BUZ2)
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
  • 500GB Hard Drive



The GPU is anemic.

I find it funny that companies advertise prebuilts as "gaming" PC's with such low powered GPU's in them.

Now would be a great time to build your first system if you haven't before.

Edited by Shivus, 15 June 2012 - 09:56 PM.


#10 DocBach

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

Unfortunately, I don't really know how Polish money converts to US so I don't know the currency conversion, but your motherboard won't support newer CPUs - probably best to pull out the motherboard for something newer and pick up a decent i5 2500K CPU and like a NVIDIA 550ti GPU - should run you a couple hundred bucks when all said and done.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:06 PM

you say anemic ... but that does not really make it clearer ... the 2.7 ... should be????

3.2? 8.9?

With an extra 4gb ram ..would the second machine HIT the recommended? I'm not aiming for my friends to bow down before the might of my machine ... I'm looking for a machine that just about reaches the recommended spec

Particularly I'm lost when it comes to graphics cards

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:11 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

you say anemic ... but that does not really make it clearer ... the 2.7 ... should be????

3.2? 8.9?

With an extra 4gb ram ..would the second machine HIT the recommended? I'm not aiming for my friends to bow down before the might of my machine ... I'm looking for a machine that just about reaches the recommended spec

Particularly I'm lost when it comes to graphics cards

Graphics cards, you're going to want an AMD Radeon HD 6870 / 7770 or above, or a Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 or above.
CPU wise, you will want an AMD Quad or 6 core processor for minimum settings, above 3ghz. A 6 core will be better if you multitask at all. The 6200 is the best gaming + multitasking AMD CPU at this time. You could also go for an Intel i5 / i7. (though they will be more expensive.)
RAM wise, you will want 8 GB for recommended settings, at DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600.
Motherboard wise, I recommend AsRock, Asus, and Sapphire. AsRock will generally give you the best deal however. For a more stable / longer upgrade / higher OC board, get a 990FX chipset.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:12 PM

http://www.videocard...Radeon+HD+6530D

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:28 PM

View PostVulpesveritas, on 15 June 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Graphics cards, you're going to want an AMD Radeon HD 6870 / 7770 or above, or a Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 or above.
CPU wise, you will want an AMD Quad or 6 core processor for minimum settings, above 3ghz. A 6 core will be better if you multitask at all. The 6200 is the best gaming + multitasking AMD CPU at this time. You could also go for an Intel i5 / i7. (though they will be more expensive.)
RAM wise, you will want 8 GB for recommended settings, at DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600.
Motherboard wise, I recommend AsRock, Asus, and Sapphire. AsRock will generally give you the best deal however. For a more stable / longer upgrade / higher OC board, get a 990FX chipset.



okay so what is wrong with the graphics card in this spec:
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  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
And again ... how does the CPU compare to the recommended spec ...

My question is not ... what SHOULD I get ... but will this machine get the job done? (assuming I add another 4gb of ram.)[/color]

#15 Vulpesveritas

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:31 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:



okay so what is wrong with the graphics card in this spec:
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
And again ... how does the CPU compare to the recommended spec ...





My question is not ... what SHOULD I get ... but will this machine get the job done? (assuming I add another 4gb of ram.)

CPU wise, yes.
GPU wise, no at 1080p. Maybe at low-minimum settings at 720p or possibly low-medium if you're lucky, most likely okay at lower resolutions than that.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 15 June 2012 - 10:32 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:37 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:



okay so what is wrong with the graphics card in this spec:

  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
And again ... how does the CPU compare to the recommended spec ...


My question is not ... what SHOULD I get ... but will this machine get the job done? (assuming I add another 4gb of ram.)




Long post incoming be warned.


A quick lesson in GPU nomenclature:


Nvidia uses 3 numbers. The first is the family, the second is the position within the family, the third is usually 0, if it's 5 it denotes an improvement to the base model. Some models also have TI after them which also denotes an improvement, usually more cuda cores. A GTX 550 TI is of the 5th family which again is confusing at first because there was no 1 series and the GTX 2XX was the first family of the current naming run.

At any rate with Nvidia X6X that middle number being a 6 is what you want to look for in a good mid range GPU. The X7X is a step up and X8X is above that. Beyond that you have to look at your own budget and search for benchmarks to determine which is the better value for you.

AMD cards have a similar naming system. HD XXXX is the current naming run. It's currently on the 7 series. The second number denotes the same thing as Nvidia's, and the third number denotes the same thing as Nvidia's third. The fourth number is pretty much a 0 at all times. Where they differ is that for AMD X850 and X870 are both mid range cards, however the X870 is a definite step up over the X850, like the Geforce 560TI is to the regular 560. X950 and X970 are more akin to the X70's and X80's for nvidia excluding things like overclocking and the differing performance in each family of cards.

Yeah it's confusing at first, but look through benchmarks and pricing, and you'll begin to see the pattern.

The overall point though is that for gaming you don't want to go lower than the X60 for Nvidia or the X850 for AMD unless you're on a budget, at which point there's usually a "king of the budget cards" that gives you the most bang for your buck for around or under $150.

Spending $200-250 or more on a good GPU makes your gaming experience better, and makes your overall system last much longer since almost all games are tied to the GPU. I bought my GTX 260 core 216 (more naming confusion) 4 years ago at this point for around $250, and it lasted me until just a couple weeks ago when I decided to take advantage of a good deal on newegg. By contrast a weaker card would have had to be upgraded long ago.

But as a testament to how different the power in cards is

View PostDocBach, on 15 June 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:


Yeah, they don't bench GTX 260's anymore, but I'm sure it would still surpass anything in the 6500 series, even the 6600 series. Not bad for a 4+ year old card.

To answer your original question, it wouldn't, or I wouldn't risk it unless you plan on also getting a better GPU to switch out immediately, but then you have to make sure the PSU is adequate as well. The minimum 5770 is likely more powerful than the 6530 and 6570. You *might* be able to play on minimum settings at lower resolutions, but if you're going to spend money on a new computer you may as well make sure it has the parts to do more than the minimum.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

My advice to you, upgrade to windows 7. XP hasn't been supported by windows for two years, and was released 11-12 years ago. Windows 8 is going to come out soon as well. It's too early for me to want to switch to 8 but it's long been time for a system upgrade. Your two core should be fine in all honesty, although getting 4 cores and a much higher clock would only cost 100$ give or take 30$ depending on the deals you find; same goes for a new graphics card. Look for compatibility issues, your motherboard sounds like it may be too old for a large chunk of what you would upgrade to. A motherboard runs around 100$ as well, give or take. Changing out the parts isn't difficult, just ask someone who's done it before to help you your first time. and look around online for guides/blogs, they'll teach you little things to look out for; such as static electricity.

I found this on sale for 90$ half a month ago, it plays all my games near max graphics

This is my processor, I enjoy how cheap it is for the clock/# of cores (This processor is AM3+, I assume your motherboard wouldn't be able to use it since it's using an intel processor, different socket types)


If you want a cheap quality computer the safest thing to do to is to educate yourself. http://www.tomshardware.com/ is a great place to start. My advice is to start reading and talk to the tech people you know in real life, they love talking about computers just listen once they get started and ask them to simplify any bits you don't understand.

Building your own computer isn't very hard all, all you need to do is plug these parts together:
Case (these can be free after mail-in-rebate or anywhere up to 100$)
Motherboard - What everything plugs into (could run you around 100$ on sale)
Ram - Somewhat like a human's working memory (4gb can be as cheap as 40$, by far the cheapest upgrade)
CPU - Works alongside ram (4 cores costs around 100$)
Power supply - I would recommend a modular supply to reduce wasted case space, also, getting a cheap PSU from a little known company can fry your entire computer (these can be cheaper than 100$ or more expensive than 200, I spent around 100$ for one that supplied far more than I needed & on a brand known for reliability. This was for system stability and safety)
Video card - makes your games pretty (these can come as cheap as 100$ for a decent one, a new generation is coming out/came out so prices should be nice and low)

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostWoodstock, on 15 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:



okay so what is wrong with the graphics card in this spec:
  • AMD A6-3670K 2.7GHz CPU
  • 4GB DDR3 Memory
  • Motherboard
  • AMD Radeon HD 6530D
And again ... how does the CPU compare to the recommended spec ...



My question is not ... what SHOULD I get ... but will this machine get the job done? (assuming I add another 4gb of ram.)



Another reason to pick up windows 7 64bit, it can handle ram in amounts larger than 4gb. If you did add 4gb of ram to your current XP system it wouldn't even use it, assuming it's 32bit. I won't get into the why. Just know that ram alone won't solve your problems.

Edited by ScientificMethod, 15 June 2012 - 11:10 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:14 PM

Here is my graphics card guide, it should help you depending on what resolution you are looking at OP;
http://mwomercs.com/...eral-gpu-guide/

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:43 AM

The E2200 was (and is) a strong overclocker (still have one in one machine running at 3.4Ghz with a Cooler Master TX3) so if you don't want to spend much money right now maybe you could upgrade your Graphics Card to a HD6850/HD6870 or HD7770 and save for when you do want to make a more overall upgrade. Bare in mind that if you want to overclock your CPU, you need an appropriate motherboard, memory, cooler and power supply.

If you want an overall upgrade, i think that Vulpesveritas has already answered here:

View PostVulpesveritas, on 15 June 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Graphics cards, you're going to want an AMD Radeon HD 6870 / 7770 or above, or a Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 or above.
CPU wise, you will want an AMD Quad or 6 core processor for minimum settings, above 3ghz. A 6 core will be better if you multitask at all. The 6200 is the best gaming + multitasking AMD CPU at this time. You could also go for an Intel i5 / i7. (though they will be more expensive.)
RAM wise, you will want 8 GB for recommended settings, at DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600.
Motherboard wise, I recommend AsRock, Asus, and Sapphire. AsRock will generally give you the best deal however. For a more stable / longer upgrade / higher OC board, get a 990FX chipset.


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