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[Grus]

Livid is the proper vernacular i would use for my current state of mind. I have been having an issue with sudden FPS drops for months now. I log on and play a few games to see if the new patch has fixed it yet, and to no avail it hasn't. I have updated every driver i can find, even my audio drivers, and yet I'm still having FPS drops. now i have seen in to forums over and over "well this workaround works, but if you have a quad core you're not gonna see any improvement" or something along the lines of "download this script, back up this file and replace this line of code" ect. I will not download anything from these forums or anything of the sort, because frankly, and no offence, i trust no one.

I was so excited when i heard this was coming out and in development a while back and now i only look on the fact that i just cant play anymore with scorn.

-EDIT-
And yes, i have tried turning it off and on again.

Edited by Grus, 10 November 2013 - 11:49 PM.

[Durant Carlyle]

If your machine is even moderately powerful, it overcomes the "sudden FPS drops" easily.

If you trust no one, that precludes us from helping you.

Nice vent, and good luck with your problem.

Mods can go ahead and lock the thread, as Grus obviously wants no help from us.

[Troutmonkey]

If you're not going to post your stats, I'm going to assume you run MWO on a toaster.
My desktop of two years runs it fine on high with the following:

CPU: AMD 1090T
16GB RAM
ATI 6970 2GB (MSI Lightning)

Far from the latest and greatest but I have no troubles running most games.

[Grus]

AMD Radeon HD 6870M
Approx. total memory 4095mb

Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM CPU @ @.00 GHz (8CPUs), ~2.0GHz

DirectX 11

8192MB ram

And as for "Help" im not looking for it. What i want is a stable game to play, and that's not what i'm getting from this game.

Edited by Grus, 11 November 2013 - 04:47 PM.

[Troutmonkey]

Your running it from a laptop, there's your problem.
My laptop has similar specs and runs fine on low.

[Grus]

Troutmonkey, on 11 November 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Your running it from a laptop, there's your problem.
My laptop has similar specs and runs fine on low.

Alienware laptop, and yes i have my seting on low as well. Still getting these massive FPS drops.

[Grus]

Durant Carlyle, on 10 November 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

If your machine is even moderately powerful, it overcomes the "sudden FPS drops" easily.

If you trust no one, that precludes us from helping you.

Nice vent, and good luck with your problem.

Mods can go ahead and lock the thread, as Grus obviously wants no help from us.

I dont want the community (non devs or programers of MWO) to send me help. i want the devs to make the game stable. you know, the group i put money into.

[VikingN1nja]

I had a Alienware with i7, 16gb ram and gtx 560m and it played it decent but these laptops are no match for a good desktop and are about equal to a mid to low range gaming desktop.

This game needs a fast cpu and juicy card.

That said certain things could be refined to run a bit smoother for lower spec systems, I find the heat vision and fog on frozen city pretty hard.

I think certain effects may be too taxing on some systems.

Try all sliders on low but bump up texturing and environment to high or very high, play with the resolution also.
Then if that fails you should get a decent amount of money for the laptop and build a custom desktop.

Edited by omegaorgun, 12 November 2013 - 10:27 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Grus, on 11 November 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

And as for "Help" im not looking for it. What i want is a stable game to play, and that's not what i'm getting from this game.

The thing is, YMMV.

You are experiencing something not experienced by everyone, For many of us, the game is +/- stable.
I recently had an issue where, when playing MWO, I would loose the connection to my network. Only when playing MWO, and it wasn't consistent so I could say, "When I do A, B, and C, the I loose my connection" I would happen each match, or after 10 matches, I would sometimes get a BSD, or I would sometimes just disconnect from my network and restart.

In tracking down the problem, I've re-installed the game, re-installed my video drivers, changed where I store my Virtual Memory, re-installed network drivers, dropped settings, increased settings, turned on Xfire, turned off Xfire, changed the directory where MWO was stored, even formatted a drive.

Want to know what fixed it. Installed a new network card.

Everything in the world pointed to MWO being the problem, but in the end, it wasn't.

[Grus]

Roadbeer, on 12 November 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

The thing is, YMMV.

You are experiencing something not experienced by everyone, For many of us, the game is +/- stable.
I recently had an issue where, when playing MWO, I would loose the connection to my network. Only when playing MWO, and it wasn't consistent so I could say, "When I do A, B, and C, the I loose my connection" I would happen each match, or after 10 matches, I would sometimes get a BSD, or I would sometimes just disconnect from my network and restart.

In tracking down the problem, I've re-installed the game, re-installed my video drivers, changed where I store my Virtual Memory, re-installed network drivers, dropped settings, increased settings, turned on Xfire, turned off Xfire, changed the directory where MWO was stored, even formatted a drive.

Want to know what fixed it. Installed a new network card.

Everything in the world pointed to MWO being the problem, but in the end, it wasn't.

aside from replacing hardware that is where im at currently. when i was in the beta, i was running this just fine, no FPS drops. this has only occurred with in the past few months. so somewhere along the line something went astray.

[Tesunie]

Troutmonkey, on 11 November 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

If you're not going to post your stats, I'm going to assume you run MWO on a toaster.
My desktop of two years runs it fine on high with the following:

CPU: AMD 1090T
16GB RAM
ATI 6970 2GB (MSI Lightning)

Far from the latest and greatest but I have no troubles running most games.

I got you beat. My 6-7 year old computer runs the game, with less!
CPU: AMD 64 x2 Dual Core 5000+ 2.60 GHz
4 GB Ram
Radeon R6770 (Video Card is newer than my computer!)

Grus, on 11 November 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

AMD Radeon HD 6870M
Approx. total memory 4095mb

Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM CPU @ @.00 GHz (8CPUs), ~2.0GHz

DirectX 11

8192MB ram

And as for "Help" im not looking for it. What i want is a stable game to play, and that's not what i'm getting from this game.

I think your problem is this: 2.0 GHz. I think the game requires minimum 2.5 GHz...

It's old, but I don't think it's changed since it's posting: http://mwomercs.com/...eveloper-update

Minimum for CPU GHz is 2.66 GHz. Your computer isn't close enough for the CPU to run the game properly. If you are running the game in a near playable state, then you are doing something great already with your computer. (Mine is considered just scraping by...)

[Shamous13]

Found this little tidbit, looks like intel parks their virtual cores untill absolutly needed and then ramps up the cpu. this might fix your fps fluctuations. it's helped others with the problem.

Hayashi, on 11 November 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

OP, unpark all cores and re-test.

http://www.coderbag....Parking-Utility

A possible cause of low FPS is core-park switching.

Your hardware should be sufficient for good performance if it was running at full performance. Ergo, chances are it is not running at full performance for some reason. Thermal throttling is usually a suspect.

[Grus]

omegaorgun, on 12 November 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

I had a Alienware with i7, 16gb ram and gtx 560m and it played it decent but these laptops are no match for a good desktop and are about equal to a mid to low range gaming desktop.

This game needs a fast cpu and juicy card.

That said certain things could be refined to run a bit smoother for lower spec systems, I find the heat vision and fog on frozen city pretty hard.

I think certain effects may be too taxing on some systems.

Try all sliders on low but bump up texturing and environment to high or very high, play with the resolution also.
Then if that fails you should get a decent amount of money for the laptop and build a custom desktop.

ill give those sliders a try and see what happens, and im looking to build a new computer next year for the fact that my current one is about 7 years old and needs to be rebuilt. as for getting a new system for just this game considering this laptop runs EVE online on high with no problems what so ever, yeah nope.

[o0Marduk0o]

Laptop:
i7-3610QM@2,30Ghz
HD Radeon HD 7970M
8 GB RAM

runs fine on 1920x with max detail

[Shamous13]

Op,

also make sure you have the full version of DX9 installed.
DirectX End-User Runtimes (June 2010)

[Grus]

Shamous13, on 12 November 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Found this little tidbit, looks like intel parks their virtual cores untill absolutly needed and then ramps up the cpu. this might fix your fps fluctuations. it's helped others with the problem.

this seems interesting, id rather not download anything but i can do the reg edit to modify this.

check to see if cores are parked and yes, 4 out of my 8 are being parked. now since this laptop does tend to get a little warm as it is, ill wait till i get a nice external heat-sink for it before disabling the parking.

nice post sir.

Edited by Grus, 12 November 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Shamous13]

It's just a safe way for people who don't know their way around regedit to do it, I'm not sure if it will add tones of heat due to the fact that i7 only has 4 physical cores and 4 virtual (due to threading) It would be interesting if you could un-park the cores and let us know how much temp increase you see.

[Shamous13]

Also note that MWO can't scale the cpu see this thread. go to the control panel>power options, and select High Performance... it will turn off the lower clocks and keep everything at peak performance, when you're done gaming or whatever set it back to balanced and it will return to turning off cores to save power.

[Troa Barton]

i almost hate to say this but have you thoroughly cleaned the inside of your computer? im not just talking spraying canned air in the vents.. i mean taken off the coverings and going medieval on it.

[Shamous13]

An other great post regarding FPS issues, Found Here

Hayashi, on 13 November 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

HWInfo + MSI Afterburner is a good utility set to have regardless. If you really are getting CPU bottlenecked even after unparking, you could always downclock your GPU, use the spare heat capacity to overclock your CPU using another utility (say, ThrottleStop), then use the on-screen display of your temps to make sure you don't melt your cards down to slag. If CPU botlenecking was the issue, even a +1x multiplier (say, from 16x to 17x) overclock would already give you a 5-8 FPS boost. In addition, keeping some form of FPS cap (if your screen has a refresh rate of 60 Hz nothing above 60 FPS is of any use anyway) not only increases FPS stability but also further reduces heat generation, giving the CPU room to overclock.

Unpark all cores, by default most systems have code that asks half of your computer to sleep while the other half are working, leading to lower efficiency and higher heat.

Once you're in any application that pushes your computer's limits in any way, how you manage the heat of the system is the second most important thing behind how you prevent it from limiting itself (through CPU core parking, through using an alternate graphics card instead of the gaming GPU, through self-throttling from bad coding etc). You'll want to DOWNclock some things that don't matter so you can OVERclock the things that do.

Another thing to check is whether Turbo Boost is kicking in. It could be the cause if your FPS tends to fluctuate (unlikely if constantly low). Intel's Turbo Boost forces some cores to overclock when the demand is given, but at the same time cuts the multiplier to 50% its max value should a core overheat. In the worst possible scenario, some cores are parked and some cores are doing the turbo boost-overheat-turbo boost-overheat cycle.

To disable that, change your advanced power settings under windows such that the maximum processor state allowed is 99%. Its utility is almost nonexistent; I have a conspiracy theory that the only reason why Turbo Boost is in there is so that a system will score higher on a benchmark test that tests for instantaneous max processing speed at any stage, because few computers can run Turbo Boost for more than a minute before overheating and heat-throttling/melting down.

Heat throttling (cutting perf to 50%) can be separately disabled by using a tool such as ThrottleStop, if that's the issue. 75 degrees is a bit suspicious in this regard. All Alienware systems are hard-programmed to throttle CPU core performance to 50% the moment a temperature of 74-76 degrees is reached (depending on where you're measuring the temperature) to avoid overheat-related warranty claims by errant users. This can be ridiculous however, when the temperature needed to run an application safely happens to be, say, 78 degrees. I'm not sure if any other manufacturers also have this practice in secret, I only know it to be true of AW specifically, but it could be a possible reason for a performance bottleneck.

My own rig in particular suffered from Turbo Boost, heat throttling, CPU core parking AND overdriving the GPU and had framerates close to 15 FPS formerly, it's now a stable 40-60FPS in spite of no component changes once all of these problems were eliminated. Given how MWO was the first to fail, fixing it here also boosted performance for Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 significantly, which weren't quite as demanding, as an additional bonus.

If doing any kind of overclocking or throttle disabling, watch your temperatures to avoid burning your computer up. The higher your temperature goes relative to this limit, the shorter your components' lifespan will be. if you breach the max allowable temperatures your computer should BSOD to protect itself; if it doesn't, it'll meltdown.

Edited by Shamous13, 13 November 2013 - 10:17 AM.