47 replies to this topic

[Roland]

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 31 October 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Do you really think it would be fair for a pug team with maybe one 4 man to go against a team with an 8 man and one 4 man. Or an 8 man and 2 2 mans?

In the situation you describe, isn't it more likely that you'd get 8+1+1+1+1 vs. 4+4+1+1+1+1?

And while the 8 man would have an advantage, it'd be a damn sight better then the alternative, which is that they get to 4 guys, and then the fifth guy shows up, and then someone just leaves because they can't play together.

Honestly, if folks are so worried about pugs, make a solo queue, and put EVERYONE else into the regular queue.

I've said it before, and I've said it again.. that is how other games do it, and it works perfectly well.

[Kaldor]

Make 8man max group size for general Q?

Would maybe help shore up units that are tired of the 4 man {Scrap}, cant get enough guys together for 12, or?

[101011]

Kaldor, on 31 October 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

Make 8man max group size for general Q?

Would maybe help shore up units that are tired of the 4 man {Scrap}, cant get enough guys together for 12, or?

No. What about those people who are solely puggers but want to play 12v12?

[MadCat02]

Novakaine, on 30 October 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Nuff said.

For PGU it cost less to have 12 vs 12 because price for servers is the same as 8 vs 8 .

If you can feet more people in less servers it saves them money and this is why it will probably not happen

Edited by MadCat02, 31 October 2013 - 03:44 PM.

[Sephlock]

[VikingN1nja]

It has damaged smaller teams and made fps worse what part of the pc is under strain here, the cpu or the gpu it is mostly to do with mechs when they are on screen? 60 fps one second sub 30 the next.

Edited by omegaorgun, 31 October 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[Kaldor]

101011, on 31 October 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

No. What about those people who are solely puggers but want to play 12v12?

Yeah, because in what is obviously a team based game, solo puggers should get what they want right?

Maybe is ELO and weight matching were not so screwed up, all the "evil premades" would be less of a problem? lolz

[Roland]

This is why I always support giving pug folks a solo queue.

Cause then we can just get rid of the group cap entirely for the regular queue, and the solo folks won't have anything to complain about.

[101011]

Kaldor, on 31 October 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Yeah, because in what is obviously a crowd funded game, the crowd should get what they want right?

Maybe is ELO and weight matching were not so screwed up, all the "evil premades" would be less of a problem? lolz

Fixed that for you. Just because you think that the game shouldn't cater to the casual doesn't mean it won't.

[Captain Stiffy]

I must admit I do want 8 man back but only because the 5 or 6 kill matches are pretty much the cap only because of armor and in the 8 man groups I would basically win the game for our team.

Please bring back 8 man so that the goods can dominate again.

[Johnny Reb]

KharnZor, on 30 October 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

1v1

Heh, not if you wanted to play a random 1v1 against someone!

[ColonelMetus]

no

[Kaldor]

101011, on 31 October 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Fixed that for you. Just because you think that the game shouldn't cater to the casual doesn't mean it won't.

You didnt "fix" anything. Most of the "Founders" or "crowd funders" that got this heap off the ground are part of a "unit" and play with "friends" on a consistent basis. The same can be said for the people that bought into the "Phoenix" cash grab.

Im part of a unit, FWLM, and my unit is MGA. I still PUG, I run with the guys from my unit, probably a 30/70 mix, dependent on time. I dont play much anymore, as this game is broken, and for the foreseeable future it will remain so, as the devs are of limited talent and foresight.

The casual gamer is fine, hell I consider myself to be one. I ask for no special consideration. The problem is when you have a bunch of "everybody gets a trophy" special kids, that think they are getting the short end, who then proceed to get but_hurt, and complain, the devs model the game around them, which they have, and the game dies. Dont believe it? Ask around. Ive got a few hundred people on my friends list, and maybe 10 of them play anymore. The FWLM Teamspeak server used to have 200+ on a regular basis, not its about 20-30 primetime US. Its not rocket surgery.

The real issue here is the fact ELO is broken, there is no weight matching, and there is no effective way to coordinate a group of PUGgers in a game without spending the entire time typing and hoping that the kids with the 5 minute attention span dont have a brain cramp and go Rambo. Until they have that, the solo player will always suffer, as the people that play in active units will always have the upper hand. Splitting the queues does nothing except for greatly fragments the player base.

Edited by Kaldor, 01 November 2013 - 06:00 AM.

[Kunae]

Kaldor, on 01 November 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

Spoiler

You didnt "fix" anything. Most of the "Founders" or "crowd funders" that got this heap off the ground are part of a "unit" and play with "friends" on a consistent basis. The same can be said for the people that bought into the "Phoenix" cash grab.

Im part of a unit, FWLM, and my unit is MGA. I still PUG, I run with the guys from my unit, probably a 30/70 mix, dependent on time. I dont play much anymore, as this game is broken, and for the foreseeable future it will remain so, as the devs are of limited talent and foresight.

The casual gamer is fine, hell I consider myself to be one. I ask for no special consideration. The problem is when you have a bunch of "everybody gets a trophy" special kids, that think they are getting the short end, who then proceed to get but_hurt, and complain, the devs model the game around them, which they have, and the game dies. Dont believe it? Ask around. Ive got a few hundred people on my friends list, and maybe 10 of them play anymore. The FWLM Teamspeak server used to have 200+ on a regular basis, not its about 20-30 primetime US. Its not rocket surgery.

The real issue here is the fact ELO is broken, there is no weight matching, and there is no effective way to coordinate a group of PUGgers in a game without spending the entire time typing and hoping that the kids with the 5 minute attention span dont have a brain cramp and go Rambo. Until they have that, the solo player will always suffer, as the people that play in active units will always have the upper hand. Splitting the queues does nothing except for greatly fragments the player base.

Heretic.

[JSparrowist]

How about NO

[Almond Brown]

Kunae, on 01 November 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Heretic.

But he could surely do better than the current Team. He himself has to have bokoo talent to be so blatantly arrogant right? Why does he not make a MW game for us...

[NameNotAvailable]

LauLiao, on 31 October 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

8v8 would be great on some maps. I seem to remember Alpine being TERRIBLE as an 8 v 8 map.

I fixed that for you...

[Kunae]

Almond Brown, on 01 November 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

But he could surely do better than the current Team. He himself has to have bokoo talent to be so blatantly arrogant right? Why does he not make a MW game for us...

"Heretic" was affectionate praise, not a criticism or insult.

[Buzzkillin]

Roland, on 30 October 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Would be nice if folks could choose to drop in 4v4, 8v8, or 12v12 queues.

This with tonnage limits.

[Amsro]

24vs24 Like the Launch Day video!!!