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[Sandpit]

Road, ,never stop what you do lol When I get popped early (usually because I made a mistake in positioning and wasn't paying attention if I'm being honest but sometimes because I was trying to protect a flank that no one else was watching and wouldn't drop back to help with even though I'll repeatedly say "Help, you're about to get flanked") But, when I get popped early I'll usually flip through a few spectators and I'll give tips when I see a player making mistakes. I don't say things like "You're doing it wrong" but I do say things like "Hey bud, if you hit R teammates will see the mech on their radar and come help a lot of times" or "Cap is getting ahead, someone might want to grab a cap or two or we will lose" because I know a lot of times it's easy to lose track of those cap screens when you're in a firefight or hunting down enemy mechs

[Roadbeer]

I will endeavor to continue being the snarky voice of reason preaching common sense to the Great Unwashed.

Edited by Roadbeer, 05 November 2013 - 08:51 AM.

[Amsro]

Roadbeer, on 05 November 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

I will endeavor to continue being the snarky voice of reason preaching common sense to the Great Unwashed.

With a hint of sarcasm and overarching comedy.

[MaxStr]

Almost every game I say GG at the end. Almost every game its met with a ton of people disagreeing.

[mekabuser]

when i die its my fault 100% of the time.
when i really screw up and die early i feel shame and apologize to my team.

[Woozle]

Gentlmen, this thread has changed me; I am a better man for having read it. I thank you.

Before, when at the end of a losing streak of 5 terrible games, after giving helpful advice to the team and killing half the enemy team myself, I would give in to my base urges and vent my frustration on my teammates. No more!

From now on, I will instead humbly apologize... "I'm sorry I couldn't carry any harder. I promise to get better. Next game, I will kill the *entire* enemy team myself! Please allow me the opportunity to redeem myself."

[Parazaine]

PropagandaWar, on 01 November 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

^This right here. Tag your own stuff. No seriously. People should hit R so they and others can determine a mechs weak points and position if possible. Missle Boats are welfare mechs imo. They depend on others to do the work for them You get more missle hits with LOS. Me having to sit and hold TAG so you can get "some" of your missles over a hill is pointless. Yeah sometimes the boaters win but rarely.

I pilot the "Green Meanie" if you ever see that mech there's a chance your mech will get hurt. Why? Well I don't rely on my team to use MY Catapult with 2 Lerm 15s, 3 Med Lasers, Tag and Jump Jets It's self sufficent all mechs should be to a point. Sure its great support but I don't ever want to handicap my team with 8 lerm 5's. It's selfish and generally stupid unless you have a mech or two guarding your booty (usually they don't want to and its just not worth it). People think LRM's should be used like artillery. It quite the opposite LOS causes more damage and artemis is only effective with LOS. My rule of thumb is never rely on one weapons system alone.

Sorry, i wasn't going to rise to this thread until i read your latest 'anti-rant'


LRM's are support weapons....let me re-iterate SUPPORT. They are there to help you and your team, not to steal your kills or be selfish enough to expect their TEAM-mates to both help themselves and their support out by actually targetting the enemy.

That last point is the one that seems to be universally misunderstood by the Noob horde that have recently invaded (sorry to call you noobs but you generally demonstrate a total lack of understanding about MWO, therefore you are noobs)

This whole LRM / targetting argument demonstrates it admirably (as an example of the rant by players like myself who become increasingly annoyed by both the team attitude and lack of targetting and other general team-play)

The cry of the team is generally 'no'...'get your own locks'...'use tag' etc etc. What they fail to understand is that they should be targetting the enemy where possible for THEIR OWN INFO.....it shows the state of the targeted mech, where it's weak, where to target as a priority AND it enables other members of the team that may not be in direct line of sight to KNOW IT IS THERE and emables that dreaded animal the LRM support to fire at it.

Now the general 'noob' player base (for want of a more descriptive name) seem reluctant to acknowledge these FACTS, i guess they are so concerned about their e-peen stats that they think the support mechs are stealing their kills?

Now this is just one aspect of player behavior that can reduce myself and many other players to incedulous bouts of juvenile ranting in chat but try to see the other side of the argument please OP.

Perhaps you should be asking yourself 'why are these players so pissed off?' the answers will be informative and will actually improve both your game-play and your e-peen if you listen dispassionately and cut the ranters a little slack....they have to put up with this ignorant misunderstanding on a pug-match by pug-match basis.

Edited by Parazaine, 06 November 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Doctor Proctor]

There have been a few games where I've gone off a bit on my teammates, mostly because I get frustrated with the PUG life sometimes. No matter what chassis I'm in, I always try to scout and relay information to my team when possible, yet there are many where literally the only team chat messages are from me. People will die on one of our flanks as an entire enemy lance is coming and never warn the rest of the team that "hey, 4 mechs just rolled me on our left flank and they're heading right for you". Or we'll get someone tapping our cap and a couple mechs will go back to deal with it, they then get promptly destroyed because several other enemy mechs show up, but they never mention that there's now 5 or 6 mechs at our base. Or even worse, 6 mechs will chase one spider as I'm furiously typing "we're getting completely overrun at C5, stop chasing or they're going to flank", only to die a short time later in a fireball as 3 assaults focus me down and then proceed to tear apart the rest of the team time one by one while they're still chasing that spider...who inevitably survives the match.

So yes, sometimes you just get dropped with a {Scrap} team that doesn't communicate, doesn't listen, uses poor tactics and has no situational awareness. And sometimes I go off a bit when when what could've been a close game or a win completely falls apart due to any of the above. Sorry about that...but can you really blame me for losing my cool one in a while?

(BTW, when I say "[insert name of mech pilot that doesn't target enemy mechs], press R to target the mech you're firing at", please listen...it makes things a lot better for your team when you hit R.)

[PropagandaWar]

Parazaine, on 06 November 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sorry, i wasn't going to rise to this thread until i read your latest 'anti-rant'


LRM's are support weapons....let me re-iterate SUPPORT. They are there to help you and your team, not to steal your kills or be selfish enough to expect their TEAM-mates to both help themselves and their support out by actually targetting the enemy.

That last point is the one that seems to be universally misunderstood by the Noob horde that have recently invaded (sorry to call you noobs but you generally demonstrate a total lack of understanding about MWO, therefore you are noobs)

This whole LRM / targetting argument demonstrates it admirably (as an example of the rant by players like myself who become increasingly annoyed by both the team attitude and lack of targetting and other general team-play)

The cry of the team is generally 'no'...'get your own locks'...'use tag' etc etc. What they fail to understand is that they should be targetting the enemy where possible for THEIR OWN INFO.....it shows the state of the targeted mech, where it's weak, where to target as a priority AND it enables other members of the team that may not be in direct line of sight to KNOW IT IS THERE and emables that dreaded animal the LRM support to fire at it.

Now the general 'noob' player base (for want of a more descriptive name) seem reluctant to acknowledge these FACTS, i guess they are so concerned about their e-peen stats that they think the support mechs are stealing their kills?

Now this is just one aspect of player behavior that can reduce myself and many other players to incedulous bouts of juvenile ranting in chat but try to see the other side of the argument please OP.

Perhaps you should be asking yourself 'why are these players so pissed off?' the answers will be informative and will actually improve both your game-play and your e-peen if you listen dispassionately and cut the ranters a little slack....they have to put up with this ignorant misunderstanding on a pug-match by pug-match basis.

Maybe I went a little to off the deep end. However I did state target mechs for your own benefit. I should maybe rephrase some of my thoughts. First I have no problem lobbing missles over a hill, however it is generally less effective than most people think. However I do have a problem with the "lobbers" crying because a lock wasn't maintained, even though they are generally oblivous to the reasons why. Also "lobbing" missles blindly should not be a standard tactic as you do tend to hit your friends or the hillside more than you hit the enemy. Now if your intent is suppression I understand, but I doubt that's most lerm boys intent.

Secondly the one thing that irritating is the pure Lerm Builds. They 9/10 are useless. Seriously how many games have you seen That Pult with a gazillion lrm 5's be the last one even two in battle to get hosed by a cherry red mech with one laser? I witnessed it three times this last week alone. Simply mounting 2 SRM's on that beast would have solved the problem.

[Parazaine]

PropagandaWar, on 06 November 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Maybe I went a little to off the deep end. However I did state target mechs for your own benefit. I should maybe rephrase some of my thoughts. First I have no problem lobbing missles over a hill, however it is generally less effective than most people think. However I do have a problem with the "lobbers" crying because a lock wasn't maintained, even though they are generally oblivous to the reasons why. Also "lobbing" missles blindly should not be a standard tactic as you do tend to hit your friends or the hillside more than you hit the enemy. Now if your intent is suppression I understand, but I doubt that's most lerm boys intent.

Secondly the one thing that irritating is the pure Lerm Builds. They 9/10 are useless. Seriously how many games have you seen That Pult with a gazillion lrm 5's be the last one even two in battle to get hosed by a cherry red mech with one laser? I witnessed it three times this last week alone. Simply mounting 2 SRM's on that beast would have solved the problem.

Fair enough....bringing a pure LRM build to a PUG match is largely stupid i'll admit and stupid LRM builds are as common as, well any other kind of stupid build.

My point, although illustrated with the LRM argument was more directed to players (and i'm guilty of it) ranting in chat and that there might just be a valid reason for their rant, although ranting like a child is, of course, never dignified.

[PropagandaWar]

Parazaine, on 06 November 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

My point, although illustrated with the LRM argument was more directed to players (and i'm guilty of it) ranting in chat and that there might just be a valid reason for their rant, although ranting like a child is, of course, never dignified.

Hey now some of us may be mentals.... Ok just me.

[Alaskan Nobody]

PropagandaWar, on 06 November 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Hey now some of us may be mentals.... Ok just me.

Nope - me to
but shhhh..... don't tell anyone

[Roadbeer]

PropagandaWar, on 06 November 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Hey now some of us may be mentals.... Ok just me.

I work in the

K Town bakery,

FFS

[Sky Ferrix]

This feels trite to say, but on games where I feel my team is bad, I'm usually one with the highest score or the only kills after a defeat. I don't use cheese builds either, just brawlers and skirmishers. Happened about five times in a row today.

That said, you wont see me whining about it in chat. You can't make new players better by pointing fingers and calling names. You just have to hit Launch again and hope matchmaker decides to be friendly.

Edited by Foxx, 09 November 2013 - 01:38 PM.

[Bagheera]

Roadbeer, on 06 November 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

I work in the

K Town bakery,

FFS

I demand pastries for the pastry god!

[mekabuser]

Woozle, on 06 November 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Gentlmen, this thread has changed me; I am a better man for having read it. I thank you.

Before, when at the end of a losing streak of 5 terrible games, after giving helpful advice to the team and killing half the enemy team myself, I would give in to my base urges and vent my frustration on my teammates. No more!

From now on, I will instead humbly apologize... "I'm sorry I couldn't carry any harder. I promise to get better. Next game, I will kill the *entire* enemy team myself! Please allow me the opportunity to redeem myself."

you killed the wrong enemies first.