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[SgtMagor]

a point was brought up about the next released Hero a heavy with ECM. what mechs would qualify in the current timeline?

[Charons Little Helper]

NONE! I'M NOT LISTENING! LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Edited by Charons Little Helper, 02 November 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[Devin Takkar]

Well, as far as I can tell...the only ECM-Heavy I found that could be possible in 3050 seems to be the Thunderbolt 7SE (ES,FF,JJ,ECM, Gauss, 4MPL (3 Torso, 1 LA)). A lot of heavys get ECM over the next 20years, but most of them rely on clan tech.
But it's entirely possible that I missed something.

Edit: Ah, there's also the Cataphract 0X...but that seems to be an early prototype.

Edited by Devin Takkar, 02 November 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Chemistry Warden]

SgtMagor, on 02 November 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

a point was brought up about the next released Hero a heavy with ECM. what mechs would qualify in the current timeline?

Source?
I'd like to read it.

[Enzane]

http://mwomercs.com/...-mechs-of-3049/

Axman in 3057.
Ceasar CES-3S - ECM suite in 3049.
Cataphract CTF-4L in 3060. CTF-5D Post 3060. CTF-5MOC (Naomi) Hero Mech. post 3060.


However:
Via "Raven" Link
electronic warfare device was a technical success, it proved too large and bulky to be installed on any existing 'Mechs.


So unless we go with Older mechs. There may not be many with ECM...

I will check Pre-Raven Mechs in a minute.

Edited by Enzane, 02 November 2013 - 11:21 AM.

[SgtMagor]

Source?
I'd like to read it.


It was in another thread about a hero heavy (jester) somebody mentioned a Hero heavy with ECM, there is no heavy with ECM in the game now I think was the idea. I just started this thread because I thought a heavy with ECM would be a good thing.

[Enzane]

SgtMagor, on 02 November 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

Source?
I'd like to read it.


It was in another thread about a hero heavy (jester) somebody mentioned a Hero heavy with ECM, there is no heavy with ECM in the game now I think was the idea. I just started this thread because I thought a heavy with ECM would be a good thing.

This is probably the best Source:

[Adridos]

ECM is a gimmick piece of equipment that only the Capellan Confederation uses in any bigger number and since we can only produce just a few mechs, it ends up being the way that Raven-3L is the only 3050 ECM carrier.

CTF-0X is a failed prototype that never entered production.
RVN-1X isn't in the game, because it is just a downgraded 3L.
Thunderbolt 7SE and Caesar 3S are Civil War era mechs.

Edited by Adridos, 02 November 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[Chemistry Warden]

I'd say the chances of getting ECM on heavies as a hero exclusive is unlikely. Unless they start doubling up on heavy heroes, after jester comes out, only quickdraw will be without a hero (until all project phoenix is released).

By contrast, there are 3 medium chassis without hero variants, and 4 lights without heroes.
In AtD 50, we were told that there's not going to be another light hero until spring, the mediums may be getting fleshed out in the meantime.

That, or doubling up on heavies and assaults happens, which would disappoint, but not surprise, me.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

There are no ECM heavies in the house armies in 3050. One could modify the Cataphract 0X's primitive ECM suite but it doesn't actually have ECM.

The clans do have the Hellbringer which has variants that mount ECM.

Devin Takkar, on 02 November 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

Well, as far as I can tell...the only ECM-Heavy I found that could be possible in 3050 seems to be the Thunderbolt 7SE (ES,FF,JJ,ECM, Gauss, 4MPL (3 Torso, 1 LA)). A lot of heavys get ECM over the next 20years, but most of them rely on clan tech.

But it's entirely possible that I missed something.

Edit: Ah, there's also the Cataphract 0X...but that seems to be an early prototype.

The 7SE is from 3067.

[Deathlike]

Here's a "fact". We've gone back in time... literally.

http://www.mwomercs.com/clock

In less than 2 months, we'll party like it's 3049!?!?!

That 3050 hologram starts to look silly.

So, please go back to mechs that are available between 3048-3050 for now.

[Selfish]

Deathlike, on 02 November 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Here's a "fact". We've gone back in time... literally.

http://www.mwomercs.com/clock

In less than 2 months, we'll party like it's 3049!?!?!

That 3050 hologram starts to look silly.

So, please go back to mechs that are available between 3048-3050 for now.

No. My venom! My beautiful, 35 ton Spider is gone!!

[Deathlike]

Selfish, on 02 November 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

No. My venom! My beautiful, 35 ton Spider is gone!!

"Let's do the time warp again!"

[Devin Takkar]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 02 November 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

The 7SE is from 3067.

Ah, good to know. I just guessed based on the tech.

[Bishop Steiner]

SgtMagor, on 02 November 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

a point was brought up about the next released Hero a heavy with ECM. what mechs would qualify in the current timeline?

dunno why people even remotely think a Hero would get ECM.

The p2w forum rage would make 3pV look like a spark. The only time they even think about ecm on a hero is a mech with pre-existing cbill ECM variants. And even then I would not hold my breath.

[Bishop Steiner]

Enzane, on 02 November 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...-mechs-of-3049/

Axman in 3057.
Ceasar CES-3S - ECM suite in 3049.
Cataphract CTF-4L in 3060. CTF-5D Post 3060. CTF-5MOC (Naomi) Hero Mech. post 3060.


However:
Via "Raven" Link
electronic warfare device was a technical success, it proved too large and bulky to be installed on any existing 'Mechs.


So unless we go with Older mechs. There may not be many with ECM...

I will check Pre-Raven Mechs in a minute.

the CES-3S is not introduced until 3067
http://www.masteruni...ter?Name=Caesar

hence none of the units mentioned are 3050 available.

[Enzane]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 November 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

the CES-3S is not introduced until 3067
http://www.masteruni...ter?Name=Caesar

hence none of the units mentioned are 3050 available.

Ah. I didn't know there was a list available to sort the variants by Introduction date.

I only had Sarna to go by and they do not always label what year those variants were introduced.

Now is there any site out there that can list all the ECM variants the IS had on and before 3050?

[FupDup]

The Commando 2D, Cicada 3M, Spider 5D, and Atlas D-DC never featured ECM in Tabletop, yet they have it here. That's 80% of our current ECM-capable mechs. We don't need any TT-sanctioned ECM-carriers, we can give it to whoever we want because it's been done four times already. Only one ECM mech in-game ever had it in TT, and that is the Raven 3L.

I'd personally recommend adding ECM to the Orion (dunno which variant, though), as it fits the mech's iconic command role well (also helps compensate for the hitbox issues it has).

Edited by FupDup, 02 November 2013 - 07:22 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Enzane, on 02 November 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ah. I didn't know there was a list available to sort the variants by Introduction date.

I only had Sarna to go by and they do not always label what year those variants were introduced.

Now is there any site out there that can list all the ECM variants the IS had on and before 3050?

dunno. I would just take a look at all the advanced tech mechs available in 3050, then compare them to the MUL. I don't think it has an equipment specific search, which would be very handy, actually.

FupDup, on 02 November 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

The Commando 2D, Cicada 3M, Spider 5D, and Atlas D-DC never featured ECM in Tabletop, yet they have it here. That's 80% of our current ECM-capable mechs. We don't need any TT-sanctioned ECM-carriers, we can give it to whoever we want because it's been done four times already. Only one ECM mech in-game ever had it in TT, and that is the Raven 3L.

I'd personally recommend adding ECM to the Orion (dunno which variant, though), as it fits the mech's iconic command role well (also helps compensate for the hitbox issues it has).

I'd be all for this. I could also see some justification for a Jager, used in a "Wild Weasel" defense mode for a command mech, as TBH, usually it would be the Comm Officer running ECM, not the unit commander.

That said, I would only ever want to see that AFTER sized hard points were introduced, as the sheer QQ that would flow from Stealth Boom-Jagers would make even me shudder.