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[Wispsy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

It's more about what we are here to do Wispsy. I an understand folks wanting to know their standings, but The Game was sold as a First person in the Clan Invasion not fighting on Solaris7 tournament game. That is Scenarios set up to walk us through a campaign. Solaris is all about Stables & standings. I can be supportive of those who want to play on Solaris, but my goals are a bit more than seeing if I can be a champion. I want to save the inner sphere from an invasion, so I can support tourney play, but that isn't the game I am here for. Does that make sense?

Standings are important to the Clans though are they not? PGI has stated they will be available to players.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

Standings are important to the Clans though are they not? PGI has stated they will be available to players.

I'm not a Clanner.

[Wispsy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'm not a Clanner.

Some of us are.

[Epathian]

StaggerCheck, on 02 November 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

This is why PuG play is difficult... unbeknownst to you, you are Echo...

"Contact left... everybody on Echo!"
"Echo weak center torso. Aim center torso."
"Echo down... [laughter] What a noob!"

See? Coordination over voice software is not really that big of a deal. Learn to play, noob.

You sir are one reason new player's do not play this game for very long, with your sportsman ship calling "noob" you bring little or no justice in your comments. This game will not grow to what any one expects if we have players like you trolling in-game chat yelling noob...

Just like I said in a match yesterday to a friendly player...

Him" have fun and GL
Me" you say have fun. but at the end of the match every one will scream at you noob.

Edited by Epalypso, 08 November 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Some of us are.

Then all you have o worry about is how you rank in your clan, while I just concentrate on killing you.

[Wispsy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Then all you have o worry about is how you rank in your clan, while I just concentrate on killing you.

OK and because other people are not roleplaying Steiners they should not be allowed to voice their opinions on the forum? Got it. Maybe you should just stick to the Steiner subforum only if you think they are the only ones who matter.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

OK and because other people are not roleplaying Steiners they should not be allowed to voice their opinions on the forum? Got it. Maybe you should just stick to the Steiner subforum only if you think they are the only ones who matter.

Aren't we BOTH allowed to express or opinions? Disagreeing isn't a sign of disrespect.

[Hellcat420]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

Standings are important to the Clans though are they not? PGI has stated they will be available to players.

the clans do not have arena tournaments. if clanners are doing a 1v1 its to settle a grievance(or to take control of another clans tech) and someones gonna die. clans "standings" are about honor and victory in combat, not arena fights.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hellcat420, on 08 November 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

the clans do not have arena tournaments. if clanners are doing a 1v1 its to settle a grievance(or to take control of another clans tech) and someones gonna die. clans "standings" are about honor and victory in combat, not arena fights.

however who gets rank should revolve around victory after all in the clans Might makes Right.

[Wispsy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Aren't we BOTH allowed to express or opinions? Disagreeing isn't a sign of disrespect.

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Is not what this game was made for. That is Solaris 7, not the Clan Invasion. MW:O was made to put players in the Time of the Clans and to battle for the freedom/domination of the Inner Sphere. How do you bracket an invasion/resistance?

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

It's more about what we are here to do Wispsy. I an understand folks wanting to know their standings, but The Game was sold as a First person in the Clan Invasion not fighting on Solaris7 tournament game. That is Scenarios set up to walk us through a campaign. Solaris is all about Stables & standings. I can be supportive of those who want to play on Solaris, but my goals are a bit more than seeing if I can be a champion. I want to save the inner sphere from an invasion, so I can support tourney play, but that isn't the game I am here for. Does that make sense?

In your eyes, a key component of my opinion and Clan RP is not what this game was made for. Apparently it was only made for you RPing fighting against the Clans.
I am not against you fighting off the Clan invasion. You seem to be against me wanting some kind of similar ranking system to what they used in Clans because this is not what "Clan invasion MWO" was made for.

Hellcat420, on 08 November 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

the clans do not have arena tournaments. if clanners are doing a 1v1 its to settle a grievance(or to take control of another clans tech) and someones gonna die. clans "standings" are about honor and victory in combat, not arena fights.

Bloodnames.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

In your eyes, a key component of my opinion and Clan RP is not what this game was made for. Apparently it was only made for you RPing fighting against the Clans.
I am not against you fighting off the Clan invasion. You seem to be against me wanting some kind of similar ranking system to what they used in Clans because this is not what "Clan invasion MWO" was made for.



Bloodnames.

On the contrary, For the clanners to decide their place in their faction, it makes total sense. But to the bigger game... it should not be a priority.

[LordBraxton]

The 4man premade boogieman is garbage, I almost exclusively PUG and I'm at 1,673 / 1,161


Elo actually does something

when I PUG I feel like an unstoppable god, fighting nubs who stand still to aim and don't torso twist

When I drop with 3 friends I fight elite players who remove my side torso in two shots if I poke an inch out of cover

It is easier to win when pugging, dropping in a 4 man = stiff competition

end of story

Edited by LordBraxton, 08 November 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[Hellcat420]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

however who gets rank should revolve around victory after all in the clans Might makes Right.

clans put honor above all else, which is why the innersphere was able to survive the clan invasion. here is the clan reaction to a comstar officer asking why they didn't not use a tactic that the clans deemed dishonorable(this is in reference to a trial of refusal).

When the ComStar vessel Outbound Light was captured before the invasion of the Inner Sphere, a member of the ComStar crew asked what prevented a council member from casting a vote on the side they disagreed with if they knew it would lose so that, when they demanded a Trial of Refusal, the council member could bid an extremely low force that would definitely win the bidding but could not possibly win the trial. The suggestion that a warrior might consider this course of action was met with shock and frozen silence. One Loremaster refused any further interviews, and another prohibited the ComStar officers from any contact with the warriors of his Clan. Such a breach of honor is clearly unthinkable.

Edited by Hellcat420, 08 November 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

LordBraxton, on 08 November 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

The 4man premade boogieman is garbage, I almost exclusively PUG and I'm at 1,673 / 1,161


Elo actually does something

when I PUG I feel like an unstoppable god, fighting nubs who stand still to aim and don't torso twist

When I drop with 3 friends I fight elite players who remove my side torso in two shots if I poke an inch out of cover

It is easier to win when pugging, dropping in a 4 man = stiff competition

end of story

Unless you can find those players who are closer to your Elo. At least that has been my experience.

Hellcat420, on 08 November 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

clans put honor above all else, which is why the innersphere was able to survive the clan invasion.

And to a Clanner Honor is defined by victory.

[Wispsy]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

On the contrary, For the clanners to decide their place in their faction, it makes total sense. But to the bigger game... it should not be a priority.

OK but putting a webpage with top 50 players (ranked by Elo which is direct win/loss and already in place) could actually be accomplished in 2 hours, which includes time for bugfixing.

Anyways, the Clans are a major part of the bigger game, seen as this is all about the Clan Invasion. Inner Sphere Houses and Merc Units have rankings done their way, why would it not be a priority for Clans?

Also...to point out, I was not demanding any of this, I was simply replying to your post on ranking people with what is realistically out there right now. Must you always pick a single line of my post, take it completely out of context and start arguing against it?

[MischiefSC]

Here's a critical thing on the MM -

Busting the entry Elo glass ceiling.

I absolutely DO recommend teaming up with some skilled folks and watching how they play and what they play, picking up tips and cranking a good 50 wins.

See, the problem with lower Elo is that people on both sides are less skilled and that almost universally represents itself in poorer communication, teamwork and even social skills. Whatever Elo I've managed to grind myself into I see maybe one intentional blue on blue jerk every, what, 150 drops? Almost never. I see one guy running off alone to die maybe every 20 drops, once or twice a day at most.

*everyone* you play with gets better as your Elo goes up. After a while even the lower Elo people brought in are still of a higher caliber.

You need to get into the 1600s for Elo or better. As an approximate estimate based only on statistical analysis and without any knowledge of what peoples actual Elo is I'd still figure 1600-at most 2000 Elo is the pugging sweet spot. Low enough that you're not filler for top tier team games but high enough that most the people on both sides know how to pilot and how to stick together and more often than not follow a single tactical approach.

The big problem with starting out is that it's hard to learn good skills and habits, the things that will bring your Elo up, when you're playing with people who don't share those habits.

If your Elo isn't 2000 a cautious, defensive tactical approach puts you at a disadvantage. Good defense requires coordination and tactics, effective offense simply requires concentrated force. 'Superior application of superior firepower'. Whenever possible push your fellow pugs into blobbing and advancing as quickly as possible. Most of the other team probably only has a couple positions on any map they're comfortable in. You catch them before they get into their 'favorite spot', you have an advantage. You catch them while they're still figuring out which way they're going, you have an advantage.

Conversely lower Elo pugs are more likely to break when rushed. Remember, your goal is to raise your Elo - not wrack up kills. If your pugs get rushed and you're in a faster mech run *past* the enemy rushing team right through their blob if you can. Nothing a nub likes as much as chasing a spider or seeing one red dot surrounded by many blue dots. They'll turn their back on your teams firing line to chase you. Early on when I was C4 all day every day I'd do that to surprisingly good effect. JJ over the rush and book for the back of their line, see how long I could lead them on a merry chase. Half their team would break and follow hoping to score the easy kill while my team turned and devoured the stragglers.

How often have you watched someone absolutely suicide in the hopes of getting an 'easy kill'?

Raise your Elo with the help of joining a team (you don't even need to join teamspeak. Just group with some folks and drop in a 4man) and by focusing on helping your team win and not kills. After a good 50 wins more than losses this way you'll see a marked improvement in the caliber of your teammates and can then start progressing more on your own performance and not the twists of fortune.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wispsy, on 08 November 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

OK but putting a webpage with top 50 players (ranked by Elo which is direct win/loss and already in place) could actually be accomplished in 2 hours, which includes time for bugfixing.

Anyways, the Clans are a major part of the bigger game, seen as this is all about the Clan Invasion. Inner Sphere Houses and Merc Units have rankings done their way, why would it not be a priority for Clans?

Also...to point out, I was not demanding any of this, I was simply replying to your post on ranking people with what is realistically out there right now. Must you always pick a single line of my post, take it completely out of context and start arguing against it?

But the Clan's internal standing don't mean much to the factions fighting them. I honestly don't need to know how you got to be Galaxy Commander Wispsy, Just that you are in front of my guns, and I need you horizontal 2 minutes ago. I already killed one Khan, I look forward to getting some Star Colonels, an Galaxy Commanders on that list!

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 November 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Love your personal attacks. The reader is inclined to find out why which raises visibilty. Thanks.

But he's not wrong with his comments. You have a jaded, biased view and you take any and every opertunity to try and promote it even though you have been given the benifit of the doubt, even though people have in a non agressive way accepted your statements but have countered with the same fair handedness. Some even show the pros and cons of both sides but you chose to sit on your little hill and try to behave like something omnipotent, who can't be wrong and who allows for no chance that anyone else is right and you might be wrong. Time to get over yourself... what's the new catch phrase around here? oh ya, time for you to just "Move Along"

[MischiefSC]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 November 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

But the Clan's internal standing don't mean much to the factions fighting them. I honestly don't need to know how you got to be Galaxy Commander Wispsy, Just that you are in front of my guns, and I need you horizontal 2 minutes ago. I already killed one Khan, I look forward to getting some Star Colonels, an Galaxy Commanders on that list!

Clan officer insignias! They're just like Pokemon, gotta catch 'em all!

[Caspian111]

here is the topic for your answers.

http://mwomercs.com/...ed-matchmaking/