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[KharnZor]

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Derp should be a medical condition.
Get help OP.

[sarelk]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 November 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

If you keep pointing out how limited it is, people might actually try GOOD builds, and it'll be more work for me to kill BJ pilots!!!!

you actually get it... i slay common especially sean lang copy builds... and yes they are... but i applaud those who make their own... creative and different builds...

its amazing how toxic some of you actaully are... and for no reason... i point something out and i am sadly not surprised by your expected sad remarks...

i sucked bad at this game until the blackjack came out... which i loved on table top and love in game... some things are funky but you cant have it all.... i evolved my builds to what they are today... and for me they work... just the same as the champ build works for the others... I guess i just like to see differnces... just as i hate boom jagers with a passion b/c him her and their followers all have them... this is just me...

my 'rant' or 'med condition' or 'derp' is nothing more than an opionon, which you have all so kindly replied to... thank you again... and i suppose... keep on flaming

Edited by sarelk, 08 November 2013 - 07:36 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

I tried a dual gauss Cicada once, true story.

[Escef]

Voidsinger, on 07 November 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

You misunderstand me. I mean ..

That you're a fairy princess? Because that's what everything you say here boils down to.

[Odins Fist]

I do NOT know of a single person on my friends list that calls that HEAP of a build the "Sean Lang".

Sorry to burst your bubble guy.

[Deathlike]

Trauglodyte, on 08 November 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

I tried a dual gauss Cicada once, true story.

Well, considering the existence of the dual AC20 Cicada...

I guess I should be searching for the abominable frankenmech.

[Voidsinger]

Escef, on 08 November 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

That you're a fairy princess? Because that's what everything you say here boils down to.

I may well be a princess (and you will adress me as 'your highness'), but I see something you don't seem to.

Seperating this game from the other FPS/3PV style shooter games is a little thing called universe lore. It is the lore that is a huge factor in stopping people from the next latest and greatest thing. It is universe lore that engages people in a game.

Encouraging people into specific builds based on high Alphas and DPS is fine, as long as there is some consistency. Encouraging them into builds bearing no semblance to the mech concept weakens the lore, and makes people see the game as numbers. Bad for the game, both in terms of gameplay, investment in new mechs, and game longetivity.

What needs to happen is people being guided into the game, encouraged to learn a little background lore, and to let creativity flow. We don't need an attitude of "If I stick wheels on my granny she'll be a wagon."

This fairy princess has culture, something I fear cannot be said of you who probably play many games, and will move on. I understand changes need to be made for a computer game, but losing everything really is losing longetivity.

[Escef]

Voidsinger, on 08 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I may well be a princess (and you will adress me as 'your highness'), but I see something you don't seem to.

I noticed. You see yourself as some kind of arbiter of what is and isn't appropriate for Battletech. And believe that those who disagree with you are blind or stupid. I started playing CBT 26 years ago, and I wager I love the game as much as any other long time player. But I'm willing to admit it has flaws, and also willing to admit that I don't always know what is and is not right for the game, derivatives thereof, or anything else concerning the franchise. Because one can easily kill their beloved franchise by doing what they think is "right" and "true".

I'll come right out and say that I'm too attached to the franchise to trust myself to make judgments on it without consulting someone more impartial. You, your highness, are also far from impartial, but do not see that you are too close to things for your judgment to be trusted.

[General Taskeen]

Sephlock, on 07 November 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Decent trial mechs is a bad thing?

Stock Mechs are fine if and only if the game were programmed better regarding heatsinks and certain weapons. The only thing then that would remain as 'undecent' is a stock armor value or speed.

[Heavenly Angel]

The champion bj-1 build is pretty bad because it only has one jumpjet. I don't know what sean is but every blackjack pilot has an ac20/3mlas they came up with.

Edited by Heavenly Angel, 09 November 2013 - 08:53 AM.

[Voidsinger]

Escef, on 09 November 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

I noticed. You see yourself as some kind of arbiter of what is and isn't appropriate for Battletech. And believe that those who disagree with you are blind or stupid. I started playing CBT 26 years ago, and I wager I love the game as much as any other long time player. But I'm willing to admit it has flaws, and also willing to admit that I don't always know what is and is not right for the game, derivatives thereof, or anything else concerning the franchise. Because one can easily kill their beloved franchise by doing what they think is "right" and "true".

I'll come right out and say that I'm too attached to the franchise to trust myself to make judgments on it without consulting someone more impartial. You, your highness, are also far from impartial, but do not see that you are too close to things for your judgment to be trusted.

26 years of Battletech here too.

Nothing we write here is impartial or a judgement, everything is simply an opinion (which may or may not be backed by facts). Rarely will you find 100% agreement on something, but dissenting voices must be listened to.

My arguments are on the issue of exacerbating an existing problem meme (AC/.20s whereever possible), discouragement of balanced builds, and inappropriate use of a design (where PGI has imposed limits in other areas, smells like hypocrisy).

The other issue with this so-called champion is the size of the AC/20. It is the smallest AC/20 mount in the game (using an AC/2 to represent the AC/20).

[Escef]

Voidsinger, on 09 November 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

My arguments are on the issue of exacerbating an existing problem meme (AC/.20s whereever possible), discouragement of balanced builds, and inappropriate use of a design (where PGI has imposed limits in other areas, smells like hypocrisy).

This depends upon what one considers balanced and appropriate. There are plenty of canon mechs that are not balanced. And appropriate? Really? You want to complain of a 45 ton mech with an AC20 as inappropriate when one of the Urbanmechs carried an AC20, and the Hollander was packing a Gauss? Both mechs at least 10 tons lighter than the BJ, I might add.

The vision you have for Battletech is badly at odds with the reality of what does and does not work in an FPS adaption of it. I could slap an AC20 into a light in MW3 if I wanted to, with pretty much no change to the model at all. At some point you have to drop your preconceptions and just roll with it. And if you don't think it's fun, if you don't enjoy it, than you don't have to play. And, yes, believe it or not, it's just that simple.

Edited by Escef, 09 November 2013 - 07:21 PM.

[Lord Ikka]

You know what, I like the build. It's not the best build I've ever seen but it actually made me use a BJ.

[Yiazmat]

Kid, please. Everyone who knew how to play the game worth a dam built this mech. I called it my Pappa Urbanmech ( old link http://mwomercs.com/...a-vs-blackjack/ post #5, I opted for 2 small lasers and a med for another ton of 20 ammo) This Sean dude hardly made it himself.

Second thing, you're crying about a 45 ton medium support mech with 35 frontal CT armor? Dude go outside and and take a walk.

[clanwolf3050]

Heavenly Angel, on 09 November 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

The champion bj-1 build is pretty bad because it only has one jumpjet. I don't know what sean is but every blackjack pilot has an ac20/3mlas they came up with.

I don't know where you get your ideas from, and I don't mean that in a mean way. I run Blackjacks and have never ran an AC/20 in one. You may have seen all Blackjacks with an AC/20, but I ask you what about the BJ-3 or BJ-1X who have no basaltic hard points.

[juxstapo]

They were not copying Sean Lang, they were copying Me

Got a 2.8 to 1 KDR in this loadout (mine has 1 less mLas and an additional ton of armor), and frankly had no idea Phil ever used it, not that I spend heaps of time on youtube watching other people play.

[Snowcrow]

There aren't that many weapons in this game. Makes sense that a lot of people come up with the same builds.

[Satan n stuff]

Trauglodyte, on 08 November 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

I tried a dual gauss Cicada once, true story.

Let me guess, you either ran out of ammo before you could do much or you died on the first good hit.
Single gauss isn't bad, and gauss + ER PPC has it's merits, though it's way more than you can realistically equip without crippling your build in some way. Still there are worse ways to build a 3C.
CDA-3C

[Heavenly Angel]

clanwolf3050, on 09 November 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

I don't know where you get your ideas from, and I don't mean that in a mean way. I run Blackjacks and have never ran an AC/20 in one. You may have seen all Blackjacks with an AC/20, but I ask you what about the BJ-3 or BJ-1X who have no basaltic hard points.

Most people keep the bj-1 because it's the strongest variant and an ac/20 build is a complete no brainer because it's the best weapon in the game right now and a lot of people are going to try squeezing it onto anything with a ballistic slot.

Edited by Heavenly Angel, 10 November 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[-Natural Selection-]

There are really just a couple decent builds for each mech. Unless you are running ac20x2 on a cicada you are going to see the same builds. Sean who?