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[James Montana]

Strum Wealh, on 22 November 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

Nicolas Cage as Jamie Wolf, Cate Blanchett as Natasha Kerensky, and Denzel Washington as Minobu Tetsuhara?
Jonathan Frakes as Grieg Samsonov, Ken Watanabe as Jerry Akuma, and George Takei as Takashi Kurita?

EDIT: Upon further consideration, it might also workwith Frakes and Cage reversed - that is, with Frakes as Colonel Wolf and Cage as Warlord Samsonov...

Not Cage and Washington,or anyother hollywood actor that has been in countless movies. We need new talent!

[LoPanShui]

Jeremy Renner as Dechan Faser.

[Strum Wealh]

James Montana, on 22 November 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Not Cage and Washington,or anyother hollywood actor that has been in countless movies. We need new talent!

Well, if you feel that you have better suggestions, let's hear them!

[CyclonerM]

Escudero, on 18 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

A live-action movie would be preferred. I'd recommend the Battle of Misery with the main antagonist being Nicholas Cage as Jamie Wolf.

Are you suggesting to make a movie from the House Kurita's point of view?
I would not see it
Wolf's Dragoons are the best merc unit ever.

[dal10]

Marack Drock, on 21 November 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

I challenge you to a batchall!

isn't the batchall the challenge itself?

[Nathan Foxbane]

Escudero, on 18 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

A live-action movie would be preferred. I'd recommend the Battle of Misery with the main antagonist being Nicholas Cage as Jamie Wolf.

Cage is too tall to play Wolf. Jamie Wolf was noted for being short compared to many of his contemporaries.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 22 November 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[CDLord HHGD]

James Montana, on 22 November 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Not Cage and Washington,or anyother hollywood actor that has been in countless movies. We need new talent!

The problem with B and/or undiscovered stars is the budget will match. They we get (though awesome) movies like Robot Jox. We need a big name director and at least one A star. They they'll get the budget needed to pull off awesome.

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 25 November 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

The problem with B and/or undiscovered stars is the budget will match. They we get (though awesome) movies like Robot Jox. We need a big name director and at least one A star. They they'll get the budget needed to pull off awesome.

The director simply must be either Guillermo Del Toro or Joss Whedon.

Also, another possible issue with casting Wolves on the Border, specifically, is that many of the core characters are already older individuals - Jaime Wolf (born in 2980) is 48 years old at the time the story takes place in 3028, Natasha Kerensky (born in 2973) is 55 years old, Takashi Kurita (born in 2970) is 66 years old, Minobu Tetsuhara is in the same general age range (e.g. late-40s to mid-60s).

Even dropping everyone's apparent age by a decade ("31st century medicine/healthcare is really good compared to today"), it wouldn't really be appropriate to have a bunch of 20-somethings running around as these characters (despite how much more popular a bunch of Hollywood-attractive 20-somethings in typical MechWarrior garb might be than actors 50+% older in the same garb), and pretty much anyone in the right age ranges that would be worth casting (in terms of acting quality) is already established in the industry or a related one (e.g. Patrick Stewart coming from theatre backgrounds before going into TV/film).

Edited by Strum Wealh, 25 November 2013 - 12:42 PM.

[LoPanShui]

Then let's do Decision at Thunder Ridge. Everyone's like 22 and it even has the plot of a Hollywood movie with a lone heroic character fighting back against evil oppressors from an underdog position.

[Strum Wealh]

LoPanShui, on 25 November 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Then let's do Decision at Thunder Ridge. Everyone's like 22 and it even has the plot of a Hollywood movie with a lone heroic character fighting back against evil oppressors from an underdog position.

Decision at Thunder Rift is even already part of a trilogy!

So... Charlie Hunnam ("Raleigh Becket" in Pacific Rim) as Grayson Carlyle and Alice Eve ("Carol Marcus" from Star Trek Into Darkness) as Lori Kalmar?
Duke Hassid Ricol, though, is a much older character (~47, rather than early-20s) and would need a significantly older actor; Zach Galifianakis ("Alan Garner" in The Hangover) is about the right age and (when bearded) has approximately the right look.

Have it directed by Del Toro and have the visual effects done by the same groups that worked on Pacific Rim.

With that as one's base, the rest of the casting can be filled out with less-established actors.

Thoughts?

[Artifice]

I had no idea this existed until after MWO was announced. I absorbed it shortly after.. it's a part of me now.

For the time :

• It was an incredibly well written cartoon. (Same-ish script would still be a good show)
  
• The short bits of 3d animation were cutting-edge.
  
• The rest of the animation (however horrible) was perfectly acceptable. Have you ever seen the old TMNT? I loved the hell out of that!

It always annoyed me that the Clanners were psychic.

[Steven Dixon]

I'm glad I was young when it came out. I actually really enjoyed it. I've watched it again recently for nostalgic purposes and it can be a bit difficult to watch but its still not terrible. I still usually view clanners as having tattoos when I visualize them.

I think its kind of funny that they have made the cartoon 'cannon' (Adam Steiner becomes a major lore figure during end of the Fed Com civil war and Jihad). But in the cannon the show is just an kids show of the real events and so its somewhat fictionalized, it would sort of be like 'Liberties Kids' (a kids show about the American Revolution).

[dal10]

it is actually a "In-universe" animated kids TV series.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Just like "The Bounty Hunters" was an in universe live action holovid series. And it is a rip off of the A-Team. Pity that could not be turned into a series without a whole lot of licensing.

I loved the animated series. But then I was a member of the target audience at the time. I was so jealous when a friend go Adam Steiner's AX-2N Axeman and my parents would not get me one. Years later that was the first mini I would get off of E-Bay. I still need to paint it.

It would be kind of cool to have a BT series animated entirely in Cryengine, though God only knows what kind of nightmare that could be to actually do. Or one of the nicer rendering engines they use for cut-scenes in games with lower end in game graphics. Being completely animated has the benefit of voice actors who in my opinion tend to be better actors.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 08 December 2013 - 10:28 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Despite the corney aspect of the show, it was a show I really like back in the day. Like many people in here, it got me interested in the Battletech universe and lore.

I am sure most pretentious TT guys hate on it all the time , but I think it did what it did well. It appealed to kids, sold toys, and ultimately made future Battletech and Mechwarrior fans.

Don't think it destroyed a chance for movies or more cartoons to be made. I am honestly suprised this cartoon even existed in the first place. Hollywood is moronic anyway. Robot Jox (an awesome movie for how bad it is) probably didn't do a BT movie any favors. If it was made into a Hollywood movie, it would probably be a Michael Bay type movie anyway. Heck, look what Hollywood did to Wing Commander . As much as I would love to see a movie, I don't think I would like what it would become.

I really just want more Mechwarrior games .

P.S. Still waiting on my Adam Steiner Axman Hero mech

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 11 December 2013 - 09:02 AM.

[Escef]

Jakob Knight, on 15 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Simply put, because, like G.I. Joe, it was made solely to sell toys and action figures.

This is how U.S. commercial animation was/is set up, as a marketing tool for the toy companies. In the US, the animated series are seen as something only for kids, and the quality of both animation and story are limited to what the toy companies think will sell their product (i.e. target audience of about 8-12 years old). For this reason, they tend to not work overtime or put much effort into them, as the belief is that kids won't care beyond seeing lasers flash and good guys always beating the bad guys (and don't confuse them with anything but simple stereotypes). Also, this means the same animators can be free to do other series quickly without looking for better talent.

Oh, there's overtime work and such, but the problem is that the companies holding the purse strings tend not to take the shows seriously. And frequently, the quality suffers for it.

Jakob Knight, on 15 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

By comparison, the animation in Japan (where just about everything in Battletech except for the actual tactics and means of getting to the battle came from) is something viewed as an artform, meant for both adults and kids, and the detail and complexity of the series is much, much more developed.

Yes and no. There's plenty of animation in Japan that is based solely on marketing toys to kids (Pokemon, Digimon, Hamtaro, etc.). And the marketing concerning even relatively high-brow anime would make a lady of the night blush in embarrassment. (Evangelion's pilots on bags of Doritos? Gendo shilling for razor blades? Really Gainax?) A lot of the stories get their depth from the fact that they are adapted from manga (comics), a medium where it is the stories themselves that are meant to generate sales.

That and manga is done very differently from US comics. While in the US there are dedicated titles for teams and characters, in Japan there are magazines that publish installments of 4, 5, or more different series at a time (with several pages of advertising breaking them up, of course). The Japanese way lets the publisher test out one or two new series for a few issues without sacrificing the series that have proven to draw in sales. It would kind of be like if Marvel put out a monthly mag that contained an issue of Spider Man, Iron Man, and 2 or 3 other titles; say maybe a part of a 5 issue run of a team up, an attempt to utilize an old character, and a solo-comic for the Human Torch to try to generate sales for the Fantastic Four/Thor based publication. If the attempt to bring back the old character tanks, there's no interest in Torch's solo career, and/or the 5-parter ends, it's ok, they still have Web-head and Tony Start to bring in money, and they could swap in other lesser known stuff to see if takes off.

[Haakon Valravn]

Jakob Knight, on 15 November 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Simply put, because, like G.I. Joe, it was made solely to sell toys and action figures.
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I don't disagree with your general premise, but….

Gargoyles. That is all.

Nathan Foxbane, on 22 November 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Cage is too tall to play Wolf. Jamie Wolf was noted for being short compared to many of his contemporaries.

Tom Cruise.

Problem. Solved.

Edited by Haakon Valravn, 17 December 2013 - 06:03 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Cage is 6' 0" to Cruise's 5' 7".
Elija Wood is 5' 6", and was able to play a ~4' hobbit (the other three hobbit actors were all 5' 7").
As such, I don't think a 3" height difference is going to be too much of an issue.

The real questions, IMO, are who would be modelling the 'Mechs (I still vote for the same team that did Pacific Rim's jaegers), and who would be playing Natasha Kerensky (if filming WOTB) or Lori Kalmar (if filming D@TR).

Then again, Cruise strikes me as better candidate for Aidan Pryde if one were going to make a Jade Phoenix film (or set of films) in the relatively near future...?

[mithril coyote]

akakiwu490, on 12 November 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

That said, I've played BT games since MW2 first came out, and have been an avid JF since day one. I had never envisioned the Jade Falcons as feeling it necessary or prudent to paint their faces in the garish colors they do. For some reason it reminds me of those old G.I. Joe action figures that changed color in some places when you put them in water. Not sure why.

wasn't paint.. it was supposed to be a high tech cyber implant that replaced neurohelmets. EI, or
"Enhanced Imaging Implants".. basically the pilot didn't pilot the mech so much as them ech became an extension of the body.. sensory data fed directly into your brain, even to the point of 'feeling' the mech's condition like it was your own.

the tabletop game picked it up and eventually made it a big part of the Protomech's the clans built in the 3060's onward (little half sized mechs which were piloted via EI.. cockpit was just a seat, no controls, with everything controlled via the mind.)

http://www.sarna.net...nhanced_Imaging

more recent fluff has set up EI as an outgrowth of the early protomech program, something that many of the most fanatical Crusader's went in for due to it giving them much more effectiveness in combat.. despite it driving them insane eventually. (though with those kinds of crusader's, who could tell?)

[Nathan Foxbane]

Haakon Valravn, on 17 December 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Tom Cruise.

Problem. Solved.

We want the movie to be a success not an abject failure. My personal opinion of Cruise is that he has long since forgotten how to act.