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[Tahribator]

Charons Little Helper, on 12 November 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

One thing of note that no one seems to bring up - this is a game with rock scissors paper. Even if rock were the overall best - if it became the meta and everyone started using rock, it might be worth it to bring paper.

That would be true if we had acceptable balance. We don't have it yet. At the moment the method to the beat rock is bringing a bigger rock.

[CDLord HHGD]

Redacted

Edited by cdlord, 12 November 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[DONTOR]

This is funny because its coming from a pilot that only ever uses assult / heavy mechs.
Although Manus is very good in non meta builds, each of his loadouts are quite uniqe!
It was always alot of fun to play with him.

Edited by DONTOR, 12 November 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Roadbeer]

DONTOR, on 12 November 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

This is funny because its coming from a pilot that only ever uses assult / heavy mechs.

Not sure I follow
That's a personal preference, doesn't have anything to do with the meta.

[Randalf Yorgen]

cdlord, on 12 November 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

@ ManusDei

You are welcome to come back to HHGD. Not sure why you left, we don't require anyone to run specific builds or be "elite". Colonel Aahz even confirmed it, you can come back.

Well I'm happy you GAVE HIM PERMISSION to come back, that's very big of you. Why don't you find out who it was that caused him to leave and deal with that. Claiming that you don't know why he left in the first place is a clear indication that the problem hasn't been solved or even addressed and should he return he would be right back where he was when he left. One of the hardest things to beat out of any organization is the secretive "Old Boys Network" who even when they are cut out can still influence what those who were their friends who remain do. Once the stain is present it requires something close to an act of God to get it out. Sort things out then let everyone know what the situation was and what you did to fix it and let them decide if they want to come back but don't be surprised if they don't even bother to give you a response.

Edited to change the blocked word Tain.t to stain

Edited by Randalf Yorgen, 12 November 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Randalf Yorgen, on 12 November 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Well I'm happy you GAVE HIM PERMISSION to come back, that's very big of you. Why don't you find out who it was that caused him to leave and deal with that. Claiming that you don't know why he left in the first place is a clear indication that the problem hasn't been solved or even addressed and should he return he would be right back where he was when he left. One of the hardest things to beat out of any organization is the secretive "Old Boys Network" who even when they are cut out can still influence what those who were their friends who remain do. Once the stain is present it requires something close to an act of God to get it out. Sort things out then let everyone know what the situation was and what you did to fix it and let them decide if they want to come back but don't be surprised if they don't even bother to give you a response.

Edited to change the blocked word Tain.t to stain

Redacted after recieving additional information from my leadership.

[Sandpit]

Tahribator, on 12 November 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

That would be true if we had acceptable balance. We don't have it yet. At the moment the method to the beat rock is bringing a bigger rock.

That's purely a matter of opinion based on personal skill.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wintersdark, on 12 November 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

For me, I love discussions about builds. Suggestions are always welcome, but IMHO if you're going to make a build suggestion to someone, be prepared to back it up with a rationale and actually listen to the pilots response. All too often (and I'm not directing this at you, Joe) these "suggestions" are made by people who don't really understand what the pilot is doing and why, or what his personal capabilities are. For example, suggestions to take SSRM's to deal with lights, when the pilot has no trouble hitting lights with his ballistics.

So, build discussions? Awesome. Assumption that the pilot is an *****? Not so cool. It's best to start such a discussion with the assumption that there is a good reason why the build is the way it is.

If its one thing I don't do it's tell someone how to build their Mech. I may as other Lawmen, suggest a tweak that I think would make it better, but I don't tell folks how to play their Mech, and I don't get offended if they decline.

[Roadbeer]

I remember the last time someone told me how to pilot my mech.

I said, "Once you send me the money for my founders package, paid me the equivalent of my hourly wage for the time I've spent in the cockpit, and reimbursed me for my premium time and hero mechs, THEN you could tell me how to play. Until that time, you should enjoy the view from the back seat as I'm still alive and you aren't":

[ManusDei]

cdlord, on 12 November 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Redacted after recieving additional information from my leadership.

I have no ill feelings toward HHOD they are good group. I'm glad to hear they don't follow the meta stuff. I sincerely appreciate the invite and will have to consider it among the list of offers already received. thank you

[Alaskan Nobody]

Roadbeer, on 12 November 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Not sure I follow
That's a personal preference, doesn't have anything to do with the meta.

Last I checked the only mechs "worth bringing" were assault mechs or heavies (Exception: Shadowhawk or OMGBROKENSPIDER!!!!!1!1!111!)

Edit: so in a sense that is a Meta choice.

Edited by Shar Wolf, 12 November 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[dal10]

i still run my 4p hunchie.

[Roadbeer]

Shar Wolf, on 12 November 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Last I checked the only mechs "worth bringing" were assault mechs or heavies (Exception: Shadowhawk or OMGBROKENSPIDER!!!!!1!1!111!)

Edit: so in a sense that is a Meta choice.

I effectively run my Sarah and Raven and Cicadas quite a bit. So I guess that feeds the argument, if you're good, you don't need meta-builds

[Alaskan Nobody]

dal10, on 12 November 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

i still run my 4p hunchie.

And I am looking forward to when I have finished my current batch of mechs and can turn my attention to the Hunchies.
Wondering how well the AC10 variant does compared to the AC20 (Stock or Near-Stock)

[Finn McShae]

I find "non-meta" balanced builds the most fufilling to play and I still do decent in em. Would I change to a FOTM build if my 12 man told me to? Probably not, probably the reason I don't play in competitive 12 mans. MWO is a game for me to chill and play while relaxing, not some kind of second job.

That said, my current favorite (Thud S(p) w/ LRM 15, 3 mlas, ERLLAs, 2 MG and SSRM2.. so basically a 7M) isn't the most efficient build in the world for MWO (great in TT though), I still manage a few kills and usually top 3-4 in damage per match. Good enough for me.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shar Wolf, on 12 November 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

And I am looking forward to when I have finished my current batch of mechs and can turn my attention to the Hunchies.
Wondering how well the AC10 variant does compared to the AC20 (Stock or Near-Stock)

It's OK, but never been great for me. I like high alpha in my Hunch, so I can hit and spin my hunch outta the line of fire again.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Having played with AC10s on my Cent, and the 20 on my Yenlo... I think I see where you are coming from on that.

(Now why didn't that comparison occur to me when I made the earlier post? )

[Ghogiel]

Shar Wolf, on 12 November 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Last I checked the only mechs "worth bringing" were assault mechs or heavies (Exception: Shadowhawk or OMGBROKENSPIDER!!!!!1!1!111!)

Edit: so in a sense that is a Meta choice.

The meta says the jenner is better than the SDR.

[Deathlike]

Ghogiel, on 12 November 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

The meta says the jenner is better than the SDR.

But but... those spider meta threads are EVERYWHERE!!!111!

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghogiel, on 12 November 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

The meta says the jenner is better than the SDR.

in this, hit detection and the Meta, disagree.