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[Cimarb]

FerrolupisXIII, on 16 December 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I'm surprised that a single LRM boat saved you from a swarm of lights. you are also lucky that there was not more than one ECM light. what were you doing so far from teammates that only another LRM mech could help? i did state some opinions about how i prefer to deal with lights anyways, so just "Bap counters ecm lights, duh!" has already been discussed here. it doesn't do a good job at it, and you should be getting help from all your teammates, not just one other guy with LRMs.

He didn't say "duh" anywhere in his post, so quoting him as saying that is disengenuous.

The point is that carrying BAP allows your other LRM mechs, which SHOULD be spread out to cover each other, the ability to do so even when you are being jammed by ECM. If you are an LRM boat and choose to go without BAP and also bunch up with other LRM boats, you are just asking to be handed a whooping.

BAP is worth equipping. Period.

[Khobai]

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You Dont Need Bap On Lrm Mechs

I disagree. Mainly because I use two LRM20s and two or three streak-2s on most of my LRM mechs.

[FerrolupisXIII]

Khobai, on 16 December 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

I disagree. Mainly because I use two LRM20s and two or three streak-2s on most of my LRM mechs.

BAP for streaks every time. thats why you need it.

Cimarb, on 16 December 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

He didn't say "duh" anywhere in his post, so quoting him as saying that is disengenuous.

The point is that carrying BAP allows your other LRM mechs, which SHOULD be spread out to cover each other, the ability to do so even when you are being jammed by ECM. If you are an LRM boat and choose to go without BAP and also bunch up with other LRM boats, you are just asking to be handed a whooping.

BAP is worth equipping. Period.

his post boiled down to that and i didn't appreciate his equally disingenuous tone. i asked what other peoples opinions on BAP were, not sarcastic answers, or the genuine insults some people posted. "i take it because i like that it counters ECM lights that harass me is a fine post, but in my OP i did discus that it doesn't even do a very good job of that.

i never said to bunch up with other LRM mechs. the LRM mechs should be sticking close enough to the main force to get help, but far enough away to help each other. a triangle would be appropriate, for a simple example.

i still believe LRM's to be ineffective against lights, so i see this as little help anyways. they dodge most of the shots. id rather get a friendly brawler to blast him than a friendly LRM mech to LRM him. either way requires me asking for it most of the time anyways. plus i usually am playing near some snipers/ direct fire support, not off by myself where a light can single me out.

[Thorqemada]

Not a single Mech without BAP...not even those who do not have Missiles...ECM is to OP and to easy to use to let them go with it...and i wont use Consumables ever.

Edited by Thorqemada, 16 December 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[Cimarb]

FerrolupisXIII, on 16 December 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

his post boiled down to that and i didn't appreciate his equally disingenuous tone. i asked what other peoples opinions on BAP were, not sarcastic answers, or the genuine insults some people posted. "i take it because i like that it counters ECM lights that harass me is a fine post, but in my OP i did discus that it doesn't even do a very good job of that.

i never said to bunch up with other LRM mechs. the LRM mechs should be sticking close enough to the main force to get help, but far enough away to help each other. a triangle would be appropriate, for a simple example.

i still believe LRM's to be ineffective against lights, so i see this as little help anyways. they dodge most of the shots. id rather get a friendly brawler to blast him than a friendly LRM mech to LRM him. either way requires me asking for it most of the time anyways. plus i usually am playing near some snipers/ direct fire support, not off by myself where a light can single me out.

I'm not defending his tone, or even post for that matter, but when you put words in someone's mouth to make them appear worse than they were, that isn't cool.

Regardless, in your triangle example, where you are roughly at optimum range to support each other (-200-300m), LRMs are quite effective against lights because of the short and low-angle travel. It also helps that the lights will tend to be doing small circles around your ally, but like all weapons you have to be careful to not do more friendly fire damage than enemy damage.

[FerrolupisXIII]

Cimarb, on 18 December 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

I'm not defending his tone, or even post for that matter, but when you put words in someone's mouth to make them appear worse than they were, that isn't cool.

Regardless, in your triangle example, where you are roughly at optimum range to support each other (-200-300m), LRMs are quite effective against lights because of the short and low-angle travel. It also helps that the lights will tend to be doing small circles around your ally, but like all weapons you have to be careful to not do more friendly fire damage than enemy damage.

Like i said, my apologies.

And i still must disagree, even at "optimal" range for it most of my missiles just splash behind or under lights. maybe you're lucky?

[Lord Perversor]

FerrolupisXIII, on 22 December 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

Like i said, my apologies.

And i still must disagree, even at "optimal" range for it most of my missiles just splash behind or under lights. maybe you're lucky?

Imho only mechs carrying around 4+ LRM 5 and against a tagged light seems to be somewhat effective in dealing some dmg to them (mostly focused to the Legs) and chipping some leg armor, to fasten their demise but nothing deadly on the same way as a 4 Streak punch.

Obviously if you are properly placed a nice salvo to a 200-300m distance light running straight to you can be quite punitive (as they are running right into the whole missile salvo dmg instead avoiding it but you need quite a timing and an idiotic light pilot totally ignoring you because he feel untouchable by Lrm.

[Victor Morson]

FerrolupisXIII, on 12 November 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Now, the big one! it counters 1 enemy ECM! within 150m

Absolutely positiviely 100% the reason you need BAP; a single Raven can remove your 'mech from the game instantly otherwise. Even if they don't hound you, the 3-4 salvos you have in the air just got removed from play because it happened to walk by.

[Samziel]

M4NTiC0R3X, on 12 November 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

I put BAP on damn near everything, but that's just me.

Not just you. Alot do, and they should. It is the best utility item in game (after ECM, but you can put BAP on everything) and it weights only 1.5 tons. Would be just so idiotic not to use it. You get 2 free modules and counter ECM up close and thus you get some C-ECM bonuses as well.

[FerrolupisXIII]

Victor Morson, on 22 December 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Absolutely positiviely 100% the reason you need BAP; a single Raven can remove your 'mech from the game instantly otherwise. Even if they don't hound you, the 3-4 salvos you have in the air just got removed from play because it happened to walk by.

cute picture.

but that raven is still going to make you lose those salvos if it walks by, because BAP only works to 150m. so that raven still ruins your lock as it closes on you, then you start to counter. which is likely to lose you at least 1 volley, if not more as you react to the light mech in your face.

so your mech with BAP still has the same problem as mine without, just less exaggerated.

[Varik Ronain]

I am with the crowd that everyone should carry a bap. It helps your team help you when otherwise they could not if they carry LRMs and streaks, it also allows you to counter an ecm to see how many mechs are really behind that ridge. If you are a brawler or even a LRM boat and get jumped by an ecm mech it still lets your support mechs help you! If you dont equip one then dont gripe when people dont help you when you call out for help because they cant for whatever reason get a tag/uav in there to help get a target lock. Everyone should carry a bap!