May I suggest the FRAPS-HWiNFO64-GenericLogViewer approach?
http://www.fraps.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/addons.php
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Gtx780 Ti, Poor Performance
Started by Father Dougal, Nov 12 2013 11:02 AM
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:49 PM
I applaud you effort, Good Sir: You have my complements. 
May I suggest the FRAPS-HWiNFO64-GenericLogViewer approach?
http://www.fraps.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/addons.php
May I suggest the FRAPS-HWiNFO64-GenericLogViewer approach?
http://www.fraps.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/
http://www.hwinfo.com/addons.php
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:01 PM
Turn your Shadow setting to low, run http://www.coderbag....Parking-Utility and get back to me in the morning. I now see 100fps at start and then watch it get into the 30's during play.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:19 AM
HWInfo + MSI Afterburner is a good utility set to have regardless. If you really are getting CPU bottlenecked even after unparking, you could always downclock your GPU, use the spare heat capacity to overclock your CPU using another utility (say, ThrottleStop), then use the on-screen display of your temps to make sure you don't melt your cards down to slag. If CPU botlenecking was the issue, even a +1x multiplier (say, from 16x to 17x) overclock would already give you a 5-8 FPS boost. In addition, keeping some form of FPS cap (if your screen has a refresh rate of 60 Hz nothing above 60 FPS is of any use anyway) not only increases FPS stability but also further reduces heat generation, giving the CPU room to overclock.
Unpark all cores, by default most systems have code that asks half of your computer to sleep while the other half are working, leading to lower efficiency and higher heat.
Once you're in any application that pushes your computer's limits in any way, how you manage the heat of the system is the second most important thing behind how you prevent it from limiting itself (through CPU core parking, through using an alternate graphics card instead of the gaming GPU, through self-throttling from bad coding etc). You'll want to DOWNclock some things that don't matter so you can OVERclock the things that do.
Another thing to check is whether Turbo Boost is kicking in. It could be the cause if your FPS tends to fluctuate (unlikely if constantly low). Intel's Turbo Boost forces some cores to overclock when the demand is given, but at the same time cuts the multiplier to 50% its max value should a core overheat. In the worst possible scenario, some cores are parked and some cores are doing the turbo boost-overheat-turbo boost-overheat cycle.
To disable that, change your advanced power settings under windows such that the maximum processor state allowed is 99%. Its utility is almost nonexistent; I have a conspiracy theory that the only reason why Turbo Boost is in there is so that a system will score higher on a benchmark test that tests for instantaneous max processing speed at any stage, because few computers can run Turbo Boost for more than a minute before overheating and heat-throttling/melting down.
Heat throttling (cutting perf to 50%) can be separately disabled by using a tool such as ThrottleStop, if that's the issue. 75 degrees is a bit suspicious in this regard. All Alienware systems are hard-programmed to throttle CPU core performance to 50% the moment a temperature of 74-76 degrees is reached (depending on where you're measuring the temperature) to avoid overheat-related warranty claims by errant users. This can be ridiculous however, when the temperature needed to run an application safely happens to be, say, 78 degrees. I'm not sure if any other manufacturers also have this practice in secret, I only know it to be true of AW specifically, but it could be a possible reason for a performance bottleneck.
My own rig in particular suffered from Turbo Boost, heat throttling, CPU core parking AND overdriving the GPU and had framerates close to 15 FPS formerly, it's now a stable 40-60FPS in spite of no component changes once all of these problems were eliminated. Given how MWO was the first to fail, fixing it here also boosted performance for Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 significantly, which weren't quite as demanding, as an additional bonus.
If doing any kind of overclocking or throttle disabling, watch your temperatures to avoid burning your computer up. At maximum I recommend average temperatures no greater than 80 degrees for GPU, 90 degrees for CPU, and 70 degrees for PCH (platinum control hub) to be able to deal with heat spikes, even though the max tolerances are a bit more like 90 GPU, 105 CPU and 80 PCH. The higher your temperature goes relative to this limit, the shorter your components' lifespan will be. if you breach the max allowable temperatures your computer should BSOD to protect itself; if it doesn't, it'll meltdown.
Unpark all cores, by default most systems have code that asks half of your computer to sleep while the other half are working, leading to lower efficiency and higher heat.
Once you're in any application that pushes your computer's limits in any way, how you manage the heat of the system is the second most important thing behind how you prevent it from limiting itself (through CPU core parking, through using an alternate graphics card instead of the gaming GPU, through self-throttling from bad coding etc). You'll want to DOWNclock some things that don't matter so you can OVERclock the things that do.
Another thing to check is whether Turbo Boost is kicking in. It could be the cause if your FPS tends to fluctuate (unlikely if constantly low). Intel's Turbo Boost forces some cores to overclock when the demand is given, but at the same time cuts the multiplier to 50% its max value should a core overheat. In the worst possible scenario, some cores are parked and some cores are doing the turbo boost-overheat-turbo boost-overheat cycle.
To disable that, change your advanced power settings under windows such that the maximum processor state allowed is 99%. Its utility is almost nonexistent; I have a conspiracy theory that the only reason why Turbo Boost is in there is so that a system will score higher on a benchmark test that tests for instantaneous max processing speed at any stage, because few computers can run Turbo Boost for more than a minute before overheating and heat-throttling/melting down.
Heat throttling (cutting perf to 50%) can be separately disabled by using a tool such as ThrottleStop, if that's the issue. 75 degrees is a bit suspicious in this regard. All Alienware systems are hard-programmed to throttle CPU core performance to 50% the moment a temperature of 74-76 degrees is reached (depending on where you're measuring the temperature) to avoid overheat-related warranty claims by errant users. This can be ridiculous however, when the temperature needed to run an application safely happens to be, say, 78 degrees. I'm not sure if any other manufacturers also have this practice in secret, I only know it to be true of AW specifically, but it could be a possible reason for a performance bottleneck.
My own rig in particular suffered from Turbo Boost, heat throttling, CPU core parking AND overdriving the GPU and had framerates close to 15 FPS formerly, it's now a stable 40-60FPS in spite of no component changes once all of these problems were eliminated. Given how MWO was the first to fail, fixing it here also boosted performance for Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 significantly, which weren't quite as demanding, as an additional bonus.
If doing any kind of overclocking or throttle disabling, watch your temperatures to avoid burning your computer up. At maximum I recommend average temperatures no greater than 80 degrees for GPU, 90 degrees for CPU, and 70 degrees for PCH (platinum control hub) to be able to deal with heat spikes, even though the max tolerances are a bit more like 90 GPU, 105 CPU and 80 PCH. The higher your temperature goes relative to this limit, the shorter your components' lifespan will be. if you breach the max allowable temperatures your computer should BSOD to protect itself; if it doesn't, it'll meltdown.
Edited by Hayashi, 13 November 2013 - 03:48 AM.
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U dont really need to turn ANYTHING off or down ur settings its not Ur PC fault its just this game bad...
I have Phenom II X4 940@3,4GHz, 4GB ram, GTX 760 i can play all games at high or even ultra settings (BF3, Crysis 2, War Thunder) and they all run 50+fps not mention they all look WAAAAAY better than MWO, warthunder its running at 90fps with all settings to movie and 1080p
Its just MWO engine sux and not let u play this game. When game start i have like 100fps then i press ready my fps goes down to 60-70 when game starts and i can see my hud my fps go down to 50fps, when my teammates start show on my screen my fps go to 30fps when fight starts my fps go down to 15-20 fps !!! Its just so unbelievable how bad this game is optimized... when NVIDIA and AMD make graphic cards so powerful and they have way more power than any CPU so we can play games with high fps we get THAT game who tell us we need "7GHz" CPU to play it with decent fps... this is just sad, but they dont really care its better to add new cammo, or something we can buy for money than make that game playable for more ppl. Well i give it a time i will wait to DX11 and see if things go right way if not there is magic button called UNINSTALL and i will say BB to PGI and MWO... even if i bought all those extra mechbays and other "fancy" stuff to help them make better game they not used it well so no point to give them more. Its their choice, maybe They/You will not miss me bcoz its just one person i think there will be more ppl quit game they actually cant play and have fun, maybe then they realize they loose CUSTOMERS bcoz its who we all are.
I have Phenom II X4 940@3,4GHz, 4GB ram, GTX 760 i can play all games at high or even ultra settings (BF3, Crysis 2, War Thunder) and they all run 50+fps not mention they all look WAAAAAY better than MWO, warthunder its running at 90fps with all settings to movie and 1080p
Its just MWO engine sux and not let u play this game. When game start i have like 100fps then i press ready my fps goes down to 60-70 when game starts and i can see my hud my fps go down to 50fps, when my teammates start show on my screen my fps go to 30fps when fight starts my fps go down to 15-20 fps !!! Its just so unbelievable how bad this game is optimized... when NVIDIA and AMD make graphic cards so powerful and they have way more power than any CPU so we can play games with high fps we get THAT game who tell us we need "7GHz" CPU to play it with decent fps... this is just sad, but they dont really care its better to add new cammo, or something we can buy for money than make that game playable for more ppl. Well i give it a time i will wait to DX11 and see if things go right way if not there is magic button called UNINSTALL and i will say BB to PGI and MWO... even if i bought all those extra mechbays and other "fancy" stuff to help them make better game they not used it well so no point to give them more. Its their choice, maybe They/You will not miss me bcoz its just one person i think there will be more ppl quit game they actually cant play and have fun, maybe then they realize they loose CUSTOMERS bcoz its who we all are.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:45 AM
If you can't add anything constructive to the thread please don't post and troll, Their are numerous times that people claim that's it the software and it's not it's their hardware, setup, lack of doing proper updates and house keeping. IMHO!
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:43 AM
I've been an overclocker for 15 years. You don't down-clock one thing to get something else to overclock on modern systems. That's assuming that the heat from one thing will cause other stuff to overheat, and that's not applicable to most systems -- even pre-built systems that you get from a store. Older systems (before Core 2 came out) you sometimes wanted to down-clock a system bus to get your CPU higher, but that was a LONG time ago.
And your conspiracy theory about Turbo Boost is blatantly wrong. My system Turbo Boosts every time I game, for hours on end. I'm even using the stock Intel cooler that came in the box with my CPU, and every overclocker knows how bad those are. My GPU is overclocked, even beyond the factory overclock, using EVGA Precision X. The CPU overclocks itself with Turbo Boost. The only thing on my system that isn't overclocked is the RAM, simply because there is no performance benefit to having RAM faster than 1600 right now.
Also, all CPUs (Intel and AMD) nowadays Turbo Boost by default. They were designed specifically to do so. Just like modern GPUs -- they regularly go faster than their base clocks without melting down.
Do NOT change your processor state setting to 99%. There's no reason to.
One thing we never asked was whether that temp he gave was for the CPU or GPU. I assumed it was for the GPU. Which is it, Father Dougal?
P.S.: Platinum Control Hub? ROFLMAO!!! Platform Control Hub. And I'm sorry you liked that post, Shamous. There is very little in there that is correct.
And your conspiracy theory about Turbo Boost is blatantly wrong. My system Turbo Boosts every time I game, for hours on end. I'm even using the stock Intel cooler that came in the box with my CPU, and every overclocker knows how bad those are. My GPU is overclocked, even beyond the factory overclock, using EVGA Precision X. The CPU overclocks itself with Turbo Boost. The only thing on my system that isn't overclocked is the RAM, simply because there is no performance benefit to having RAM faster than 1600 right now.
Also, all CPUs (Intel and AMD) nowadays Turbo Boost by default. They were designed specifically to do so. Just like modern GPUs -- they regularly go faster than their base clocks without melting down.
Do NOT change your processor state setting to 99%. There's no reason to.
One thing we never asked was whether that temp he gave was for the CPU or GPU. I assumed it was for the GPU. Which is it, Father Dougal?
P.S.: Platinum Control Hub? ROFLMAO!!! Platform Control Hub. And I'm sorry you liked that post, Shamous. There is very little in there that is correct.
Edited by Durant Carlyle, 13 November 2013 - 08:45 AM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:53 AM
fixed that, didn't realize I hit that, I was having some issues with a large cad file hanging my system up here at work this morning, wish the boss would let me build a new puter to work on.
P.S. Their are some documented instances of turbo boost not working correctly with some motherboards on a couple of OC forums, so defiantly worth checking to see if it's working correctly.
P.S. Their are some documented instances of turbo boost not working correctly with some motherboards on a couple of OC forums, so defiantly worth checking to see if it's working correctly.
Edited by Shamous13, 13 November 2013 - 09:05 AM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:22 AM
Hayashi, on 13 November 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:
HWInfo + MSI Afterburner is a good utility set to have regardless. If you really are getting CPU bottlenecked even after unparking, you could always downclock your GPU, use the spare heat capacity to overclock your CPU using another utility (say, ThrottleStop), then use the on-screen display of your temps to make sure you don't melt your cards down to slag. If CPU botlenecking was the issue, even a +1x multiplier (say, from 16x to 17x) overclock would already give you a 5-8 FPS boost. In addition, keeping some form of FPS cap (if your screen has a refresh rate of 60 Hz nothing above 60 FPS is of any use anyway) not only increases FPS stability but also further reduces heat generation, giving the CPU room to overclock.
Unpark all cores, by default most systems have code that asks half of your computer to sleep while the other half are working, leading to lower efficiency and higher heat.
Once you're in any application that pushes your computer's limits in any way, how you manage the heat of the system is the second most important thing behind how you prevent it from limiting itself (through CPU core parking, through using an alternate graphics card instead of the gaming GPU, through self-throttling from bad coding etc). You'll want to DOWNclock some things that don't matter so you can OVERclock the things that do.
Another thing to check is whether Turbo Boost is kicking in. It could be the cause if your FPS tends to fluctuate (unlikely if constantly low). Intel's Turbo Boost forces some cores to overclock when the demand is given, but at the same time cuts the multiplier to 50% its max value should a core overheat. In the worst possible scenario, some cores are parked and some cores are doing the turbo boost-overheat-turbo boost-overheat cycle.
To disable that, change your advanced power settings under windows such that the maximum processor state allowed is 99%. Its utility is almost nonexistent; I have a conspiracy theory that the only reason why Turbo Boost is in there is so that a system will score higher on a benchmark test that tests for instantaneous max processing speed at any stage, because few computers can run Turbo Boost for more than a minute before overheating and heat-throttling/melting down.
Heat throttling (cutting perf to 50%) can be separately disabled by using a tool such as ThrottleStop, if that's the issue. 75 degrees is a bit suspicious in this regard. All Alienware systems are hard-programmed to throttle CPU core performance to 50% the moment a temperature of 74-76 degrees is reached (depending on where you're measuring the temperature) to avoid overheat-related warranty claims by errant users. This can be ridiculous however, when the temperature needed to run an application safely happens to be, say, 78 degrees. I'm not sure if any other manufacturers also have this practice in secret, I only know it to be true of AW specifically, but it could be a possible reason for a performance bottleneck.
My own rig in particular suffered from Turbo Boost, heat throttling, CPU core parking AND overdriving the GPU and had framerates close to 15 FPS formerly, it's now a stable 40-60FPS in spite of no component changes once all of these problems were eliminated. Given how MWO was the first to fail, fixing it here also boosted performance for Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 significantly, which weren't quite as demanding, as an additional bonus.
If doing any kind of overclocking or throttle disabling, watch your temperatures to avoid burning your computer up. At maximum I recommend average temperatures no greater than 80 degrees for GPU, 90 degrees for CPU, and 70 degrees for PCH (platinum control hub) to be able to deal with heat spikes, even though the max tolerances are a bit more like 90 GPU, 105 CPU and 80 PCH. The higher your temperature goes relative to this limit, the shorter your components' lifespan will be. if you breach the max allowable temperatures your computer should BSOD to protect itself; if it doesn't, it'll meltdown.
Unpark all cores, by default most systems have code that asks half of your computer to sleep while the other half are working, leading to lower efficiency and higher heat.
Once you're in any application that pushes your computer's limits in any way, how you manage the heat of the system is the second most important thing behind how you prevent it from limiting itself (through CPU core parking, through using an alternate graphics card instead of the gaming GPU, through self-throttling from bad coding etc). You'll want to DOWNclock some things that don't matter so you can OVERclock the things that do.
Another thing to check is whether Turbo Boost is kicking in. It could be the cause if your FPS tends to fluctuate (unlikely if constantly low). Intel's Turbo Boost forces some cores to overclock when the demand is given, but at the same time cuts the multiplier to 50% its max value should a core overheat. In the worst possible scenario, some cores are parked and some cores are doing the turbo boost-overheat-turbo boost-overheat cycle.
To disable that, change your advanced power settings under windows such that the maximum processor state allowed is 99%. Its utility is almost nonexistent; I have a conspiracy theory that the only reason why Turbo Boost is in there is so that a system will score higher on a benchmark test that tests for instantaneous max processing speed at any stage, because few computers can run Turbo Boost for more than a minute before overheating and heat-throttling/melting down.
Heat throttling (cutting perf to 50%) can be separately disabled by using a tool such as ThrottleStop, if that's the issue. 75 degrees is a bit suspicious in this regard. All Alienware systems are hard-programmed to throttle CPU core performance to 50% the moment a temperature of 74-76 degrees is reached (depending on where you're measuring the temperature) to avoid overheat-related warranty claims by errant users. This can be ridiculous however, when the temperature needed to run an application safely happens to be, say, 78 degrees. I'm not sure if any other manufacturers also have this practice in secret, I only know it to be true of AW specifically, but it could be a possible reason for a performance bottleneck.
My own rig in particular suffered from Turbo Boost, heat throttling, CPU core parking AND overdriving the GPU and had framerates close to 15 FPS formerly, it's now a stable 40-60FPS in spite of no component changes once all of these problems were eliminated. Given how MWO was the first to fail, fixing it here also boosted performance for Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 significantly, which weren't quite as demanding, as an additional bonus.
If doing any kind of overclocking or throttle disabling, watch your temperatures to avoid burning your computer up. At maximum I recommend average temperatures no greater than 80 degrees for GPU, 90 degrees for CPU, and 70 degrees for PCH (platinum control hub) to be able to deal with heat spikes, even though the max tolerances are a bit more like 90 GPU, 105 CPU and 80 PCH. The higher your temperature goes relative to this limit, the shorter your components' lifespan will be. if you breach the max allowable temperatures your computer should BSOD to protect itself; if it doesn't, it'll meltdown.
I don't think a single thing you said is correct.
Average CPU temps of 90? Are you kidding me, man? That's asking for catastrophic failure. Your average temps for an i5 should be 30-50C, and shouldn't really ever go over 70 (low 70's when running a Prime95 stress test is okay, but for normal usage that's way too hot).
And you say that the average temps of the GPU should be lower than that of the CPU? C'mon man- GPUs run an average of like, 20-30 degrees hotter than CPUs, but shouldn't ever go over 80-85 if you want to keep you components running for a while.
And this nonsense about TurboBoost only working for so long before the CPU downclocks itself? Laughable. Absolutely laughable. My i7 uses TurboBoost to run at 4.3 for hours-long gaming sessions (and with a liquid cooler, temps never get above 50 or so).
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to anything this guy said.
Edit: except when he recommends MSI Afterburner - Afterburner is an awesome utility for overclocking and monitoring your GPU.
Edited by DEMAX51, 13 November 2013 - 09:25 AM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:18 PM
To Add to the core parking debate
looks like intell processors have the biggest gains
I found this here http://bitsum.com/ab...ore_parking.php
and where to change it in regedit found here. http://forum.cakewal...F-m1861804.aspx
and another great write up http://www.xtremehar...e-201111226092/
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Core parking is enabled by default in all recent editions of Windows. If you have a modern PC, chances are you are utilizing core parking right now! Core parking simply disables unused cores to reduce energy use and heat dissipation. This page delves into the details, performance implications of core parking, and tells you how to disable it for specific power profiles. The fact that it can be disabled, or tuned, for specific power profiles means, for example, you could disable it for the 'High Performance' profile, but leave parking enabled for other power profiles.
looks like intell processors have the biggest gains
I found this here http://bitsum.com/ab...ore_parking.php
and where to change it in regedit found here. http://forum.cakewal...F-m1861804.aspx
and another great write up http://www.xtremehar...e-201111226092/
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:25 PM
Its worth noting there is a bug that seems to happen now and again which dramatically drops FPS.
My Machine, a 3570k with a geforce 770 normally runs around 70-80fps on the start of maps, I know I have the bug when its in the 30's, some kind of memory leak issue that only goes away when I restart, quitting MWO and restarting it does not clear it for me. It should be noted im running in 1440p as well, so more work than 1080p.
All at stock clocks too.
My Machine, a 3570k with a geforce 770 normally runs around 70-80fps on the start of maps, I know I have the bug when its in the 30's, some kind of memory leak issue that only goes away when I restart, quitting MWO and restarting it does not clear it for me. It should be noted im running in 1440p as well, so more work than 1080p.
All at stock clocks too.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:54 PM
Not sure if I can believe anything in this topic at all.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:29 PM
I … marvel at Hayashi's heat issues, and the lengths gone to address them; But I humbly suggest "a new case and some more fans are in order" …
So: Is there a way to get HMiNFO to read Afterburner for fps? Having all them stats in one log has been most handy, thus my use of FRAPS …
So: Is there a way to get HMiNFO to read Afterburner for fps? Having all them stats in one log has been most handy, thus my use of FRAPS …
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:17 PM
Someone on the Page 1 mentioned that there's no noticeable difference between certain Nvidia and Radeon GPUs... here's my specs for those interested (Radeon GPU... but soon to be upgrading to a higher-end Nvidia card... hence my post... excuse formatting, IE at work doesn't like me)
Avg. FPS In-Game: 37-42 avg. on High Graphics
Windows Score: 7.7
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)
CPU Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i
GPU: Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
MBoard: ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.0)
Power Supply: CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.3
Drives: 1 SSD (System), 2 Mechanical (Partitioned Storage)
Tower: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case. 4 120mm Case Fans (front/side/rear), Drive Bay Fans; 2x StarTech Fan Enclosure 3.5in Triple Fan Hard Drive Cooler (not cooling HDs... drawing in air for more circulation).
Note: CPU/GPU/Memory all run slightly over-clocked :geek: Also... I started with this CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz... After replacing the CPU I noticed a jump in my FPS by 10. Just purchased three CoolerMaster JetFlow 120mm (Blue LED) case fans to replace the side and front panel fans for my tower. It runs a little louder 3x 2000 RPM fans vs the 3 older 1200 RPM fans), but my cooling has improved a bit, two fans are powered off the CPU Cooling system while the other runs to a 3pin power cable... otherwise this system runs relatively cool.
Avg. FPS In-Game: 37-42 avg. on High Graphics
Windows Score: 7.7
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)
CPU Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i
GPU: Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
MBoard: ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.0)
Power Supply: CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.3
Drives: 1 SSD (System), 2 Mechanical (Partitioned Storage)
Tower: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case. 4 120mm Case Fans (front/side/rear), Drive Bay Fans; 2x StarTech Fan Enclosure 3.5in Triple Fan Hard Drive Cooler (not cooling HDs... drawing in air for more circulation).
Note: CPU/GPU/Memory all run slightly over-clocked :geek: Also... I started with this CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz... After replacing the CPU I noticed a jump in my FPS by 10. Just purchased three CoolerMaster JetFlow 120mm (Blue LED) case fans to replace the side and front panel fans for my tower. It runs a little louder 3x 2000 RPM fans vs the 3 older 1200 RPM fans), but my cooling has improved a bit, two fans are powered off the CPU Cooling system while the other runs to a 3pin power cable... otherwise this system runs relatively cool.
Edited by Grendel408, 13 November 2013 - 04:24 PM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:52 PM
Graph of my latest game on Forest Colony:
It seems I spend more time around the 50-60 FPS mark ... a lot more than I thought. And there was one notable dip to around 41 FPS. I do think just running FRAPS affects performance though.
It seems I spend more time around the 50-60 FPS mark ... a lot more than I thought. And there was one notable dip to around 41 FPS. I do think just running FRAPS affects performance though.
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DEMAX51, on 13 November 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:
I don't think a single thing you said is correct.
Average CPU temps of 90? Are you kidding me, man? That's asking for catastrophic failure. Your average temps for an i5 should be 30-50C, and shouldn't really ever go over 70 (low 70's when running a Prime95 stress test is okay, but for normal usage that's way too hot).
And you say that the average temps of the GPU should be lower than that of the CPU? C'mon man- GPUs run an average of like, 20-30 degrees hotter than CPUs, but shouldn't ever go over 80-85 if you want to keep you components running for a while.
And this nonsense about TurboBoost only working for so long before the CPU downclocks itself? Laughable. Absolutely laughable. My i7 uses TurboBoost to run at 4.3 for hours-long gaming sessions (and with a liquid cooler, temps never get above 50 or so).
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to anything this guy said.
Edit: except when he recommends MSI Afterburner - Afterburner is an awesome utility for overclocking and monitoring your GPU.
Average CPU temps of 90? Are you kidding me, man? That's asking for catastrophic failure. Your average temps for an i5 should be 30-50C, and shouldn't really ever go over 70 (low 70's when running a Prime95 stress test is okay, but for normal usage that's way too hot).
And you say that the average temps of the GPU should be lower than that of the CPU? C'mon man- GPUs run an average of like, 20-30 degrees hotter than CPUs, but shouldn't ever go over 80-85 if you want to keep you components running for a while.
And this nonsense about TurboBoost only working for so long before the CPU downclocks itself? Laughable. Absolutely laughable. My i7 uses TurboBoost to run at 4.3 for hours-long gaming sessions (and with a liquid cooler, temps never get above 50 or so).
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to anything this guy said.
Edit: except when he recommends MSI Afterburner - Afterburner is an awesome utility for overclocking and monitoring your GPU.
GPUs Shouldnt go higher than 70-85c?
-i beg to disagree, says the R9 290X
(default heat: 95c)But thanks guys, this was very fun to read ^^
edit: BTW, what comes to that i5 temp, i would say average gameplay thermals would be around 60-70c (unless overclocking is applied) but maximum, continuous heat should never exceed 85c or it will shorten the lifespan of your CPU.
when testing for overclocking stability, that 90-92c on IBT (or prime 95) is expected, but not recommended for prolonged use.
Just my 2cents.
Edited by Gargoth, 13 November 2013 - 09:28 PM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:44 PM
Durant Carlyle, on 13 November 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:
And your conspiracy theory about Turbo Boost is blatantly wrong. My system Turbo Boosts every time I game, for hours on end. I'm even using the stock Intel cooler that came in the box with my CPU, and every overclocker knows how bad those are. My GPU is overclocked, even beyond the factory overclock, using EVGA Precision X. The CPU overclocks itself with Turbo Boost. The only thing on my system that isn't overclocked is the RAM, simply because there is no performance benefit to having RAM faster than 1600 right now.
Also, all CPUs (Intel and AMD) nowadays Turbo Boost by default. They were designed specifically to do so. Just like modern GPUs -- they regularly go faster than their base clocks without melting down.
Do NOT change your processor state setting to 99%. There's no reason to.
With regards to Turbo Boost, the systems that have had issues with it have primarily been laptops, particularly while running MWO, and even more so with older systems. Even after clearing out the heatsinks and redoing the thermal paste/etc, taking control of their fans, disabling Turbo Boost for their laptops ended the yo-yo effect they were seeing with their FPS. Out of about 300 users that I am aware of who benefited, only two were desktop users. At least 2 players had posted their logs showing the heat increase when the core(s) that were being turbo boosted was enough to pass the
threshold and throttle the CPU.
Laptops are different beast that desktops, and the differences between laptops themselves can be a huge.
As for Hayashi getting more case fans..where would he fit them?!?!
/hides...PS He runs a laptop, it is in there somewhere!!
PSS, Hayashi, tis good to see ya still play MWO. Sounds like that laptop is running pretty good now.
Edited by Tarl Cabot, 13 November 2013 - 09:56 PM.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:09 PM
Yeah. Laptops are for business use and multimedia. I wouldn't ever consider any laptop a gaming system, even the ones supposedly designed as such. Even the best ones only have 3/4 the horsepower of an equivalent desktop due to design differences between laptop hardware and desktop hardware.
Not one word of that post suggested anything about a laptop. If it had been mentioned, my post would have been totally different. I would have said right off the bat that attempting to overclock a laptop is dumb. They have enough heat problems at stock speeds. "Gaming" laptops do usually have better cooling than standard models though. Turning off Turbo Boost on a laptop is a good idea, but down-clocking isn't necessary at all.
Not one word of that post suggested anything about a laptop. If it had been mentioned, my post would have been totally different. I would have said right off the bat that attempting to overclock a laptop is dumb. They have enough heat problems at stock speeds. "Gaming" laptops do usually have better cooling than standard models though. Turning off Turbo Boost on a laptop is a good idea, but down-clocking isn't necessary at all.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:08 PM
Father Dougal, on 12 November 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:
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Get a better CPU.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:09 AM
Father Dougal,
Your video card and cpu should be able to pull very good performance. One thing that got me in the past was the automatic turbo boost feature interacting badly with thermals on my system when I was using my former i7 machine. This is what would happen:
1) Turbo boost would detect I was doing something processor demanding (MWO) and ramp the clock up on the CPU.
2) The temperature would start to ramp up.
3) The fan controller would react, but not quickly enough.
4) Thermal throttling would kick in - core would drop to 800 MHz!
5) Absolute trash performance, and fan screaming at 100%
6) Temperatures fall back to normal.
7) Goto: 1
This would result in performance cratering during matches at periodic intervals, and persisted even after thoroughly cleaning dust out of the heatsink etc.
What ended up helping me was in windows, going to power options, then going to CPU performance and setting the maximum performance level to 95%. Anything less than 100% disables turbo boost, which resulted in me having a slightly lower peak frame rate but a way way more stable and better gaming experience.
Sad to say it but turbo boost + thermal control + fan is a control system, and on some systems that control system is unstable and will hunt resulting in oscillations of the fan speed, the temperature and the performance... sometimes to extremes.
Your video card and cpu should be able to pull very good performance. One thing that got me in the past was the automatic turbo boost feature interacting badly with thermals on my system when I was using my former i7 machine. This is what would happen:
1) Turbo boost would detect I was doing something processor demanding (MWO) and ramp the clock up on the CPU.
2) The temperature would start to ramp up.
3) The fan controller would react, but not quickly enough.
4) Thermal throttling would kick in - core would drop to 800 MHz!
5) Absolute trash performance, and fan screaming at 100%
6) Temperatures fall back to normal.
7) Goto: 1
This would result in performance cratering during matches at periodic intervals, and persisted even after thoroughly cleaning dust out of the heatsink etc.
What ended up helping me was in windows, going to power options, then going to CPU performance and setting the maximum performance level to 95%. Anything less than 100% disables turbo boost, which resulted in me having a slightly lower peak frame rate but a way way more stable and better gaming experience.
Sad to say it but turbo boost + thermal control + fan is a control system, and on some systems that control system is unstable and will hunt resulting in oscillations of the fan speed, the temperature and the performance... sometimes to extremes.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:27 AM
This should only affect laptops, or pre-built desktop systems that have truly atrocious cooling setups. Tolkien had one of those two.
On desktops it is very easy to increase the speed of your fans to keep the system cool while still having full Turbo Boost performance. Giving away free performance by disabling Turbo Boost while easy alternatives exist is just plain stupid.
On desktops it is very easy to increase the speed of your fans to keep the system cool while still having full Turbo Boost performance. Giving away free performance by disabling Turbo Boost while easy alternatives exist is just plain stupid.
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