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[nehebkau]

There I said it!
As a solo player, i hate it when I am playing with pre-mades. Why? Here are my top 10 reasons:

10. They always tell the non-premades to charge the caldera center in terra. (it never works we will always stop at the entryway!)

9. They are most likely to all have the same, garish paint jobs you can see from 10K. (seriously lime green is cammo?)

8. They stand around at the start waving their arms at each other (because there are no mirrors in the game to look at themselves)

6. They are quick to call you a noob if you die quick and call you lucky if you do 1k damage. (or if you kill something they call you a kill-stealer)

5. They fail to recognize that there are other types of players in the game. (what not everyone in the match has 2K ELO?)

4. They take company command but dont issue orders...(don't want their team split into more effective lances)

3. They usually do their own thing (then ***** at noobs when their plan fails because no one else knew wtf they were doing).

2. They only assist their group-mates. (They will watch you die standing next to them from the swarm of bees)

1. They never communicate with the solo non-voip players. (If you're not on TS you don't exist or they don't know how to type.)


<<incomming "why i hate playing with solo players" in 5...4...3...2...1 >>

+1 troll card? I'm trying to complete my set.

Edited by nehebkau, 16 November 2013 - 05:45 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

This must be the new 'hot topic' as their are numerous threads on the same subject...redundant much>?

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

There I said it!
As a solo player, i hate it when I am playing with pre-mades. Why? Here are my top 10 reasons:

10. They always tell the non-premades to charge the caldera center in terra. (it never works we will always stop at the entryway!)
so maybe you should listen

9. They are most likely to all have the same, garish paint jobs you can see from 10K. (seriously lime green is cammo?)
yeah...nothing to say to that lol

8. They stand around at the start waving their arms at each other (because there are no mirrors in the game to look at themselves)
lol

6. They are quick to call you a noob if you die quick and call you lucky if you do 1k damage. (or if you kill something they call you a kill-stealer)
oh goodness, your on a roll

5. They fail to recognize that there are other types of players in the game. (what not everyone in the match has 2K ELO?)
you know what peoples elo's are? pray tell how?

4. They take company command but dont issue orders...(don't want their team split into more effective lances)
it is not more effective when you break up a premade group in separate lances in fact it is detrimental to their performance

3. They usually do their own thing (then ***** at noobs when their plan fails because no one else knew wtf they were doing).
well going by your #10 listing you don't listen anyhow

2. They only assist their group-mates. (They will watch you die standing next to them from the swarm of bees)
yeah never trade your life for a pug when your brothers are in need

1. They never communicate with the solo non-voip players. (If you're not on TS you don't exist or they don't know how to type.)
this is an unfortunate truth...it does help when communicate with the indigenous fauna. But again your #10 is the reason for this me thinks.


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Edited by xMEPHISTOx, 16 November 2013 - 05:58 PM.

[nehebkau]

xMEPHISTOx, on 16 November 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

This must be the new 'hot topic' as their are numerous threads on the same subject...redundant much>?

Technically that is my middle name. But really, I was hoping to raise awareness from pre-mades so that maybe they can increase EVERYONE's chances of victory.

Edited by nehebkau, 16 November 2013 - 06:01 PM.

[Xtrekker]

I agree with 3, 2, and 1. Even when you obviously come in to assist against a mob they have no problem leaving you to die without the tiniest thought. They seem more concerned with following each other than the fate of their lancemate who was winging them. I know what good wings can do, and I'm a good wing, but I can't take on a mob while they run away without firing a shot or giving me notice.

At least that's how it seems many times. It's like they are playing in a bubble.

[Mycrus]

Maybe you haven't dropped with me yet...

Pretty sure my pugs enjoyed the 12-0s we have been having...


Http://www.mwomercs....__fromsearch__1

[xMEPHISTOx]

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Technically that is my middle name. But really, I was hoping to raise awareness from pre-mades so that maybe they can increase EVERYONE's chances of victory.

Fair enough.
I have seen some pugs who actually do listen and attempt to accommodate the 'orders' that are given in a battle...and it generally works out very well. Communication is everything, but it is imperative that people listen and follow the premade as it is a definite advantage to do so.

[nehebkau]

xMEPHISTOx, on 16 November 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Fair enough.
I have seen some pugs who actually do listen and attempt to accommodate the 'orders' that are given in a battle...and it generally works out very well. Communication is everything, but it is imperative that people listen and follow the premade as it is a definite advantage to do so.

Now what I dont' under stand, is if you are a 4 man dropping and using voip, why wouldn't you split yourselves amongst the lances and take command of the individual lances? Since you are all talking together on voip, you would each have your own 'team' to fulfil your evil plans of domination.

[BatWing]

Guys,

I cant believe this QQing about premade still exists after 1,5 yrs this game is out.

It s called teamwork.

It s called "pleasure to play with a friend you trust not to be an *** or shooting you in the back"

It s called communication. There is a reason why I spent 40 bucks for a decent headset. That s because in this game chat sucks and I will never waste my time to type you anything.
Get on free TS, drop with 3 friends and become a Premade, you may like it.

I have no clue how to explain it, if you dont use TS which is free, you are doin it wrong, period.

Or, if you think you are right, then just suck it up and drop as a single player and like it.

... but dont stress whoever else like to play this game with friends...

[ManaValkyrie]

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Now what I dont' under stand, is if you are a 4 man dropping and using voip, why wouldn't you split yourselves amongst the lances and take command of the individual lances? Since you are all talking together on voip, you would each have your own 'team' to fulfil your evil plans of domination.

1. Because, there are quite often more than one pre-made group in a drop (Not everyone runs identical faction tags or paint schemes) e.g. I drop on an open house server with members of other units.

2. In a few games I have suggested tactics to players and they have worked, I don't needlessly send people off to die in the caldera (or whereever) but sometimes players do need to at least hold a position to allow other members of teams to flank or force positions.etc. Most of the time however, you get Johny "Take No Orders From No-one" PUG who goes charging off and drags the rest of the team off with him.

3. Sometimes what you think may be a more effective lance configuration isnt because you cant tell exactly whats loaded into a mech on your allies, and they could be running a specific style of builds for a particular purpose... eg 3 missile mechs and a scout spotter

4. And sometimes we just want to have a bit of fun, sit with the teams and work over enemy mechs.

[KharnZor]

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

There I said it!
As a solo player, i hate it when I am playing with pre-mades. Why? Here are my top 10 reasons:

10. They always tell the non-premades to charge the caldera center in terra. (it never works we will always stop at the entryway!)

9. They are most likely to all have the same, garish paint jobs you can see from 10K. (seriously lime green is cammo?)

8. They stand around at the start waving their arms at each other (because there are no mirrors in the game to look at themselves)

6. They are quick to call you a noob if you die quick and call you lucky if you do 1k damage. (or if you kill something they call you a kill-stealer)

5. They fail to recognize that there are other types of players in the game. (what not everyone in the match has 2K ELO?)

4. They take company command but dont issue orders...(don't want their team split into more effective lances)

3. They usually do their own thing (then ***** at noobs when their plan fails because no one else knew wtf they were doing).

2. They only assist their group-mates. (They will watch you die standing next to them from the swarm of bees)

1. They never communicate with the solo non-voip players. (If you're not on TS you don't exist or they don't know how to type.)


<<incomming "why i hate playing with solo players" in 5...4...3...2...1 >>

+1 troll card? I'm trying to complete my set.

[xMEPHISTOx]

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Now what I dont' under stand, is if you are a 4 man dropping and using voip, why wouldn't you split yourselves amongst the lances and take command of the individual lances? Since you are all talking together on voip, you would each have your own 'team' to fulfil your evil plans of domination.

Well in a perfect world I presume that would work but unfortunately many are uncooperative and you would wind up w/a massive mess and just get frustrated. It would also require a great deal of patience on the part of the members of the 4 man group, and I personally can admit to not having the patience required for such an endeavor.
But I agree that would be an ideal method of organizing a group of 8 pugs when in a 4 man group.

[Sandpit]

Yes, it's the premade's fault. Couldn't POSSIBLY have ANYTHING to do with poor teamwork, lack of communication, bad strategy, or personal piloting skills.....

[Ghogiel]

Play with premades is the best.

[Mystere]

Ghogiel, on 16 November 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Play with premades is the best.

Killing them is so much better!

[-Natural Selection-]

nehebkau, on 16 November 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Why?
10. They always tell the non-premades to charge the caldera center in terra. (it never works we will always stop at the entryway!)
Because most will walk around picking their nose on the way to their base to only get killed after we are short players.

9. They are most likely to all have the same, garish paint jobs you can see from 10K. (seriously lime green is cammo?)
Stand 300m away and tell me what color my paint is. Oh BTW you can see mechs ALL the way across a map, so CAMMO is pointless.

8. They stand around at the start waving their arms at each other (because there are no mirrors in the game to look at themselves)
Or maybe are just waiting for the "back shooters" setting up fire groups to get in front.

6. They are quick to call you a noob if you die quick and call you lucky if you do 1k damage. (or if you kill something they call you a kill-stealer)
Never seen anyone call someone "lucky" for getting 1k. And kill away because I will get more money for the assist.

5. They fail to recognize that there are other types of players in the game. (what not everyone in the match has 2K ELO?)
Who has a 2k ELO (since no one knows what their number is)? So how would you suggest the players to play different? And EVERYTIME someone says they are new, I see nothing but "have fun" stay with group" or helpful responses.

4. They take company command but dont issue orders...(don't want their team split into more effective lances)
Because people don't have the insight to realize some have dropped together and don't want to be moved. (ONLY REASONE THEY DO)

3. They usually do their own thing (then ***** at noobs when their plan fails because no one else knew wtf they were doing).
Well, its apparent you recognize who the premades are. Maybe try asking what kind of plan they have.

2. They only assist their group-mates. (They will watch you die standing next to them from the swarm of bees)
Yes, because watching you die is so much more fun than winning.

1. They never communicate with the solo non-voip players. (If you're not on TS you don't exist or they don't know how to type.)
Because maybe VOIP makes it EASIER to communicate, and maybe you should ask for VOIP in game..

People bitching about premades in a multiplayer game is like complaining about a football team using a playbook. "ohh nooo!! They actually practiced and communicate!" BAN ORGANIZED FOOTBALL!

Edited by Dozier, 16 November 2013 - 09:46 PM.

[Mycrus]

it is just a random mixed bag... you could end up with good or bad pugs/premade..

there are premades that annoy me... like these dezgra surats that hide behind their PUGs...

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

or the premade lance that i just reported for TKing a PUG for moving lances around... WITHOUT asking to be put back...



generally, premades are OK like generally PUGs are OK... but of course people fixate on the bad apples more often than not...

[Xtrekker]

I still think the OP made some valid points. Sticking fingers in one's ears and chanting L2P in unison does not change the fact that some premade teams are not good team players. I've run teams, I've admined leagues, I used to Teamspeak for hours every night. Some grown ups can't do that very much anymore, so it's not always the answer. In my case if I start barking on comms at 1:00 AM I'm probably going to wake everyone up. It's life.

While I don't agree that playing with premades is "the worst", it does introduce a special dynamic that may be good or bad. I'm guessing he's had a lot of the bad. In general, I just assume they are going to go do their own thing and hope they are decent enough to do it.

Mycrus, on 16 November 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

generally, premades are OK like generally PUGs are OK... but of course people fixate on the bad apples more often than not...

What he said.

[Ghogiel]

Mycrus, on 16 November 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

it is just a random mixed bag... you could end up with good or bad pugs/premade..

there are premades that annoy me... like these dezgra surats that hide behind their PUGs...

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

or the premade lance that i just reported for TKing a PUG for moving lances around... WITHOUT asking to be put back...



generally, premades are OK like generally PUGs are OK... but of course people fixate on the bad apples more often than not...

I bet they asked to be moved back.

I bet they warned you him

I bet he is just trolling.

And so another PUGCommander general dies due to their own stupidity.

Edited by Ghogiel, 16 November 2013 - 10:27 PM.

[Troutmonkey]

BatWing, on 16 November 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Guys,

I cant believe this QQing about premade still exists after 1,5 yrs this game is out.

It s called teamwork.

It s called "pleasure to play with a friend you trust not to be an *** or shooting you in the back"

It s called communication. There is a reason why I spent 40 bucks for a decent headset. That s because in this game chat sucks and I will never waste my time to type you anything.
Get on free TS, drop with 3 friends and become a Premade, you may like it.

I have no clue how to explain it, if you dont use TS which is free, you are doin it wrong, period.

I would love to use my awesome headset for more than just surround sound, but PGI has neglected to include in game VOIP. TS doesn't solve my problem because I don't have three freinds to play this with, and my irregular play hours (Australian times zone for a start) make it difficult to join a corp.

[Peter2k]

Troutmonkey, on 16 November 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

I would love to use my awesome headset for more than just surround sound, but PGI has neglected to include in game VOIP. TS doesn't solve my problem because I don't have three freinds to play this with, and my irregular play hours (Australian times zone for a start) make it difficult to join a corp.

Join us on Raidcall

Got players from around the world

I'm from Germany, there are Danish, a polish

There are Australian, one from Japan

We are a respectful and tolerant group.
We favor good character over skill, a lot.

It's easy to make friends if you want to.

After all that:
I'm sure there are jerks around, and sometimes you run into a group of jerks, or maybe they had a bad day.
Don't just toss everyone into one category.

We also never TK'd someone just because he mixed up our lance.
And believe me in 4 mans we just play to have fun anyway, that's why we loose as well, we're just a bunch of guys wanting to have a good time, with someone who we can trust not to falter when we need him.

After playing solo pug for a year now I can't understand why I didn't join up with someone earlier, even if you loose, you still had some kind of fun most of the times.

Also not all premades are super elites, uber skilled and too proud to see someone other than themself.

One word on camo:
It's kinda canon too that units are not afraid of being seen on the battlefield and use colorful colors.

Personally I never had problems hitting a white mech on alpine, or a black one at river city night.
That kind of camo will not help against a player with even a bit of skill.