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[Joarg]

for ruining MWO and Battletech for the next 10 years at least - is what i can not resist to think.
I really hope a lot of you will learn not to spend a lot of money on unfinished products again.

A lot is wrong in this game, and it started to going south some years ago. Afaik this started as MW:5 and changed to MW:O (since the general success of Online games and Wot and FPS games)

In the beginning it was a niche game aimed at the more tactical, slower perspective of MW (and Battletech, but "slower" is still relative, dead can be fast...) games.
Then YOU founders started throwing money at them, and they (or, their "managers") started to realise the had allready hooked you...so they changed the game (and targeted crowd) much more to be FPS alike (much bigger market, the Battletech freaks payed allready ....) and since this was not a really big success (player numbers, anyone?) now they just throw out "new"
Champion/Hero mechs which you buy and buy and.... and do nothing else.
If enough of you people with too much money get bored, this game will die fast (one year still to go?...)

Thanks, i still hope to see a game in my lifetime that is finally better than MW:3.

[KinLuu]

The sad truth is, that this might have been the only chance for a decent BT game in the next decades.

It was worth a try.

[Escef]

This is just uncalled for. The Founders bought into the game when paying customers were sorely needed. And despite its flaws, the game is still fun to play.

There's plenty to complain about, sure. But this isn't even constructive criticism, it's just being a douche.

Edited by Escef, 19 November 2013 - 02:50 AM.

[KharnZor]

Joarg, on 19 November 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

for ruining MWO and Battletech for the next 10 years at least - is what i can not resist to think.
I really hope a lot of you will learn not to spend a lot of money on unfinished products again.

A lot is wrong in this game, and it started to going south some years ago. Afaik this started as MW:5 and changed to MW:O (since the general success of Online games and Wot and FPS games)

In the beginning it was a niche game aimed at the more tactical, slower perspective of MW (and Battletech, but "slower" is still relative, dead can be fast...) games.
Then YOU founders started throwing money at them, and they (or, their "managers") started to realise the had allready hooked you...so they changed the game (and targeted crowd) much more to be FPS alike (much bigger market, the Battletech freaks payed allready ....) and since this was not a really big success (player numbers, anyone?) now they just throw out "new"
Champion/Hero mechs which you buy and buy and.... and do nothing else.
If enough of you people with too much money get bored, this game will die fast (one year still to go?...)

Thanks, i still hope to see a game in my lifetime that is finally better than MW:3.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I think it has a lot to do with the bullcrap the majority fed us. Calling the premade set up a team game was the biggest. Its not a team when 4 or 8 are doing what they want irregardless of the rest. 12 men are a team not how it is today.
Then they put mods in charge who bought into it and made sure all voices where silenced and allowed a team of bullies to quiet the rest. Attack anyone with a few posts who differed with the mainstream and brag about their getting threads moved to k-town.

Read any outside forum and see how this looks in the real world instead of this fantasy island.

[Ghogiel]

Hindsight you nonfounder plebeian

When founders program was going on, many things sounded plausible. There was hope and stuff.

[KharnZor]

Mudhutwarrior, on 19 November 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

I think it has a lot to do with the bullcrap the majority fed us. Calling the premade set up a team game was the biggest. Its not a team when 4 or 8 are doing what they want irregardless of the rest. 12 men are a team not how it is today.
Then they put mods in charge who bought into it and made sure all voices where silenced and allowed a team of bullies to quiet the rest. Attack anyone with a few posts who differed with the mainstream and brag about their getting threads moved to k-town.

Read any outside forum and see how this looks in the real world instead of this fantasy island.

That was fast.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Maybe its the radiation. They could buy some time if they told us they were moving to the east coast. I know here in Maine we are see a ton of west coasters moving in. The smart ones at least.

KharnZor, on 19 November 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

That was fast.

Never as fast as the White Knights.

[Joarg]

Ghogiel, on 19 November 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

Hindsight you nonfounder plebeian

When founders program was going on, many things sounded plausible. There was hope and stuff.

I know that many things sounded good...but problem is you still "bought the cat in the sack" if you understand...and supported a product which could not go to success alone (read: was bad).
Bad funding, bad management, bad ideas, doing the same work thrice and more because of not knowing whatever the reason, the outcome is bound to be bad under such circumstances...but who will even try a Battletech/MW game again in the near future now? (esp. with licence rights still in possesion of...)

[Nimura Nekogami]

I also spent a nice amount of money to this game and dont regret it.

In my opinion its a good mix of an simulation and action shooter. Nothing wrong with it.
(i would like more "imersion" like cockpit scratshes and stuff like that but.....well....there are other things do get done first)
It is a good and taktical shooter. (still my opinion)

Blaming Founders for the present MWO is...beyond my understanding.
And if you create an smurf forum account just for bashing ill call you a coward.

The only disapionting thing is that the developing is taking far more time than expected. (the release state feels like still in Beta)

[Rushin Roulette]

Mudhutwarrior, on 19 November 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

Silenced Wurdz

But just so the others dont feel left out for the needed headgear in this thread;

KharnZor, on 19 November 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

Spoiler

Joarg, on 19 November 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

OP Post

Spoiler

I guess Ill need one for myself as well now after all this;

Spoiler

[Mudhutwarrior]

Maybe its time to figure out how much to buy the rights and kickstarter to make it open source. Think of how far we could take this if those who truly loved the franchise were cut loose from commercial bindings.

[Karl Streiger]

Joarg, on 19 November 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

I know that many things sounded good...but problem is you still "bought the cat in the sack" if you understand...and supported a product which could not go to success alone (read: was bad).

Sry - you have a fundamental flaw in your argumentation:
before I became a founder - i talked privatly to some people in my former unit.
They told me - its better as MWLL - beta with Bugs but better.
So i bought Veteran - and tested the game for 1 month - it was fun indeed and I decided to upgrade to Elite.

I did not spend any additional money, I didn't played regularly the game from end of January to launch.
With Ghostheat and Gauss Charge - descissions i didn't liked and do not preferr - but it worked for some weeks - i bought the Overlord.
But the additional content and better options out there together with the never stopping FotM Race - forced me out of that game again.
Lets see what CW will turn.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Rushin, changing ones quotes to attribute to said person is about as low as one can go. Glad to know what class of person you are.

[Ghogiel]

Joarg, on 19 November 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

I know that many things sounded good...but problem is you still "bought the cat in the sack" if you understand...and supported a product which could not go to success alone (read: was bad).
Bad funding, bad management, bad ideas, doing the same work thrice and more because of not knowing whatever the reason, the outcome is bound to be bad under such circumstances...but who will even try a Battletech/MW game again in the near future now? (esp. with licence rights still in possesion of...)

Yeah it could have. I was a MWLL dev, so I know what could have been in theory XD. It's not like what they were saying was some super grandiose plan that was implausible. In fact it had been done before about a decade prior in MPBT.

[Henry Morgan]

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Thank You Founders...

[Alistair Winter]

I actually thought this was going to be a serious thread by a non-founder thanking the Founders. I'd actually start a thread like that, if I wasn't so bitter that I missed my chance to be a Founder myself. For the rest of my life, I'm going to be resentful because I don't have a Founder's Catapult.

But to actually be angry at the Founders for spending money on this game, as if we were about to have the best Mechwarrior game ever, untill PGI suddenly stole the franchise like some evil wizard and used it for their own evil quest of world domination, made possible by their evil henchmen, the Founders... I don't know, I'm speechless.

Go home. You're drunk. On lighter fluid.

[Troutmonkey]

If you would rather have nothing than this, you're welcome to play nothing.

I for one am having a great time with this game. Sure, it's far from perfect and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of work, but it's definitately got potential. The core aesthetics is right, the immersion is there, and the game is for the most part balanced. There's really no other game like it, and the F2P model means I only spend when I feel like it ($80 so far on MC). I joined this game in Open Beta, and would love to see where it goes. Really, if the game became a super hardcore single player simulator the game wouldn't have half the budget or players it does now. I know the game has a bit of a bad rep, and apparently everyone is leaving, but I think there's many more who are quietly enjoying the game.

So instead off slagging of the founders and PGI you could be providing positive feedback on the things you think work, and constructive critism on the things you would like to see changed or improved.

Edited by Troutmonkey, 19 November 2013 - 03:32 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Troutmonkey, on 19 November 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

If you would rather have nothing than this, you're welcome to play nothing.

MWLL would still be having updates if it weren't for PGI.

I don't like the way we had to leave development on that last patch either, and many players felt the same> Making concessions for developers work at the expense of the project imo is what really hurt that last patch.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Never thought this would be censored........ Attn mods: Its not working, the revolt is in full swing.