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[RickySpanish]

I was considering buying into the Sabre package for a medium with an arm mounted ballistic. The Wolverine caught my eye but it lacks energy hardpoints. Then I reckoned I might be able to cram 3 SRM 6s with Arty on it, max jump jets and play it as a point blank hit and run Mech... Except it's got an XL.

Anyone care to share some workable builds for either the Wolverine or Griffin? Neither seem to have particularly excellent hardpoint placement. What about the other variants?

[DarkDevilDancer]

The 6R has 1E 2B 3M, so you could put in at least 1 back up laser if you want to focus on ballistics or carry an erppc and back it up with an AC5.

Its got some flexibility built in.

[Bishop Steiner]

The Shad dusts it up right fine with an XL. Actually most of the PHX mechs so far do. So before letting that be a "problem", let's see how it'***** boxes turn out.

Right now, SRM hit detection remains a larger concern to me.

[Amsro]

The 6R should be the best of the Saber Package, but we shall see how that works out.

[Maverick27]

Obviously we won't know the Sabre mechs' true potential until we see hit boxes but so far this is my though if XLs work in the 6R.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ad6f447bd588472

[Little Details]

Maverick27, on 26 November 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ad6f447bd588472

I'd lose the 1 DHS and drop to an XL285 so you can fit bap...
WVR-6R

[Maverick27]

LT Satisfactory, on 26 November 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

I'd lose the 1 DHS and drop to an XL285 so you can fit bap...
WVR-6R

Ya, that's a good thought with the streaks. The reality is that to start I'll be using whatever XL I already have lying around...which I think right now is a 300, but 285 sounds like a good fit eventually.

[RickySpanish]

I just really don't like the 1 energy hardpoint being in the head, it's probably the worst place to put an energy hardpoint as it forces you to consider it as nothing more than an afterthought.

[John MatriX82]

The Wolverine doesn't intrigues me much, it looks too big from the art, especially those arms seem to be extremely fragile, even more when looking how easily they pop off from any Shadowhawk (them being fairly smaller!). And to properly employ ballistics XLs are rather mandatory, and that thing look to have the sides bigger than those of the SHD.

The Griffin has a similar shape to that of the SHD, hopefully it will share the same dimensions, but it looks bigger from the Phoenix art; it could become a fairly better splatcent (3xASRM6, 3xMLs, jj capability), but even then, SRM detection and damage dispersion all over the enemy mech due to the dull tube-like trajectory doesn't make it so.. interesting either.

In the end, I'd not get any of the two, I'd like to know dimensions and hitboxes before doing that. But even then, frankly the SHD has already proven to be the best mech of the Phoenix pack and I have the feeling it will outclass both the Griffin and Wolve.

[RickySpanish]

John MatriX82, on 26 November 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

The Wolverine doesn't intrigues me much, it looks too big from the art, especially those arms seem to be extremely fragile, even more when looking how easily they pop off from any Shadowhawk (them being fairly smaller!). And to properly employ ballistics XLs are rather mandatory, and that thing look to have the sides bigger than those of the SHD.

The Griffin has a similar shape to that of the SHD, hopefully it will share the same dimensions, but it looks bigger from the Phoenix art; it could become a fairly better splatcent (3xASRM6, 3xMLs, jj capability), but even then, SRM detection and damage dispersion all over the enemy mech due to the dull tube-like trajectory doesn't make it so.. interesting either.

In the end, I'd not get any of the two, I'd like to know dimensions and hitboxes before doing that. But even then, frankly the SHD has already proven to be the best mech of the Phoenix pack and I have the feeling it will outclass both the Griffin and Wolve.

The thing is, a lot of folk were complaining about how rubbish the 'Hawk would be before it launched, and now we all know how wrong they were! (for the record, I knew it was going to kick arse : ). I do tend to agree with your points though, and one of the reasons I got the Phoenix pack was for a decent hero medium so perhaps I really don't need another.

[3rdworld]

RickySpanish, on 26 November 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

I was considering buying into the Sabre package for a medium with an arm mounted ballistic. The Wolverine caught my eye but it lacks energy hardpoints. Then I reckoned I might be able to cram 3 SRM 6s with Arty on it, max jump jets and play it as a point blank hit and run Mech... Except it's got an XL.

Anyone care to share some workable builds for either the Wolverine or Griffin? Neither seem to have particularly excellent hardpoint placement. What about the other variants?

The wolverine 7K looks like it may be a beast. The rest of the saber mechs look like garbage.

[Carrioncrows]

John MatriX82, on 26 November 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

... especially those arms seem to be extremely fragile, even more when looking how easily they pop off from any Shadowhawk (them being fairly smaller!)...

Arms should be the one thing that is big on all mechs.

The bigger the arms the better you can protect your critical systems. Arms are meant to be blown off and I am all for it if it means keeping my torso's alive.

[John MatriX82]

RickySpanish, on 26 November 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

The thing is, a lot of folk were complaining about how rubbish the 'Hawk would be before it launched, and now we all know how wrong they were! (for the record, I knew it was going to kick arse : ). I do tend to agree with your points though, and one of the reasons I got the Phoenix pack was for a decent hero medium so perhaps I really don't need another.

Yep, people complained for the thing being tall, but in the end the SHDs proved to be tall but slim, with hitboxes small enough to justify XL engines and arms that can help protecting those sides. Also the ballistics (FOTM) that are very high-mounted makes it further interesting.

Carrioncrows, on 26 November 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Arms should be the one thing that is big on all mechs.

The bigger the arms the better you can protect your critical systems. Arms are meant to be blown off and I am all for it if it means keeping my torso's alive.

Of course they are, but I'm not that happy when half or more of my firepower is in there and it blows off in no time. I lose my ppc/ppcs in the RA of the SHD in the blink of an eye, I don't want to think how much would last under fire the rather bulky RA with the precious ballistics in the Wolverine. I'd stick with the SHD instead of it

[RickySpanish]

Carrioncrows, on 26 November 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Arms should be the one thing that is big on all mechs.

The bigger the arms the better you can protect your critical systems. Arms are meant to be blown off and I am all for it if it means keeping my torso's alive.

It would be cool to have better control of your arms actually, like a button press to raise them fully to guard your torso from attack. That would give those pesky actuators more of a use than just a 10% firing arc increase.

[RickySpanish]

John MatriX82, on 26 November 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Yep, people complained for the thing being tall, but in the end the SHDs proved to be tall but slim, with hitboxes small enough to justify XL engines and arms that can help protecting those sides. Also the ballistics (FOTM) that are very high-mounted makes it further interesting.



Of course they are, but I'm not that happy when half or more of my firepower is in there and it blows off in no time. I lose my ppc/ppcs in the RA of the SHD in the blink of an eye, I don't want to think how much would last under fire the rather bulky RA with the precious ballistics in the Wolverine. I'd stick with the SHD instead of it

The 5M with the energy hardpoints in one arm is a real problem, it's my least favourite variant of the bunch... Which makes it, what, the third best medium in the game?

[John MatriX82]

RickySpanish, on 26 November 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

The 5M with the energy hardpoints in one arm is a real problem, it's my least favourite variant of the bunch... Which makes it, what, the third best medium in the game?

Lol I like the 5M more than all of them, it's the most balanced one, with the 2D2 is in second place. I was even planning to get rid of the 2H, 3xAC2 isn't for me.

Whenever they'll finally fix srms the 2D2 it's going to be a nice deathtrap with 4xSRM4s and even know rivals in dangerousness with streakintaroes, since it has JJs while the KTO misses them greatly (without accounting the size and hitboxes of that thing)

[RickySpanish]

John MatriX82, on 26 November 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

Lol I like the 5M more than all of them, it's the most balanced one, with the 2D2 is in second place. I was even planning to get rid of the 2H, 3xAC2 isn't for me.

Whenever they'll finally fix srms the 2D2 it's going to be a nice deathtrap with 4xSRM4s and even know rivals in dangerousness with streakintaroes, since it has JJs while the KTO misses them greatly (without accounting the size and hitboxes of that thing)

I ran the 5M with a pair of PPCs, streaks and machine guns once and it was interesting. Losing your gun arm is just such a ****** though. I'm poptarting with the 2H at the moment, although the 5M is better suited to that, the 2H(P) has a c-bill boost which is essential to my farming efforts.

[Dadrick]

With the exception of the WVR-6R, all the other Saber mechs field a combination of energy and missile hardpoints. To be honest, I just don't have any interest in these mechs since functionally they are no different than the Quickdraw. Even in terms of scale, they will likely be a close match if the shadowhawk is any indication.

[Escef]

DarkDevilDancer, on 26 November 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

The 6R has 1E 2B 3M, so you could put in at least 1 back up laser if you want to focus on ballistics or carry an erppc and back it up with an AC5.

Its got some flexibility built in.

Let me know how well you manage to shoehorn an ERPPC into that sucker's head.

Anyway, the 7K looks like it's going to be a pretty boss energy/missile jumper, but probably won't be any better than the SHD-2D2.

[PropagandaWar]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 November 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

The Shad dusts it up right fine with an XL. Actually most of the PHX mechs so far do. So before letting that be a "problem", let's see how it'***** boxes turn out.

Right now, SRM hit detection remains a larger concern to me.

The other night and I kid you not 7 times i hit a phract and jenner with SRM's. Seven times and nothing. I had finally said screw it and put 2 streaks in my hunchback which drives me nuts. But it had to be done. I really really want them to fix Srms.