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[Flapdrol]

Sybreed, on 29 November 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

that's what I was thinking as well. After Christmas I'll shop around and get a better cooling unit. I got a question for the knowledgeable people... are air coolers good enough to overclock? Or should I go water pump? (had a bad experience with water coolers...)

Air coolers are fine for overclocking, if you get a mugen 4 or something you'll probably reach 4.4 Ghz quite easily with modest temperatures.

Watercooling is for if you want to really push, high voltage combinded with high temps is what kills a chip, for speed you need voltage, unfortunately high voltage also means the cpu produces more heat so you have to cool even more for the highest speeds. (as it has to be cooler to survive the voltage, and produces more heat)
With the default intel cooler at default settings the cpu core temp is often over 80 degrees, not dangerous because the voltage is low.
If you go for a modest 4.4 GHz on 1.3 volts (ballpark figure, might not be stable, might be able to do that with a much lower voltage) a good aircooler should be more than enough, temps will probably be well under 70.

Edited by Flapdrol, 29 November 2013 - 04:04 PM.

[Sybreed]

Flapdrol, on 29 November 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Air coolers are fine for overclocking, if you get a mugen 4 or something you'll probably reach 4.4 Ghz quite easily with modest temperatures.

Watercooling is for if you want to really push, high voltage combinded with high temps is what kills a chip, for speed you need voltage, unfortunately high voltage also means the cpu produces more heat so you have to cool even more for the highest speeds. (as it has to be cooler to survive the voltage, and produces more heat)
With the default intel cooler at default settings the cpu core temp is often over 80 degrees, not dangerous because the voltage is low.
If you go for a modest 4.4 GHz on 1.3 volts (ballpark figure, might not be stable, might be able to do that with a much lower voltage) a good aircooler should be more than enough, temps will probably be well under 70.

thx, that's all info I didn't know. I'll try to do some research about overclocking before actually doing it... there are probably some softwares that makes it easy right?!

[Sh4dow78]

Durant Carlyle, on 28 November 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

Then you are limited by your CPU, because the difference should have been a lot more than 6 FPS.

LIMITED ? man i have same problem i have GTX760, AMD Phenom II 940BE 3GHz all games work like a charm only MWO gives me 15-20 fps @_@ thats insane how badly this game is optimized... 100% his CPU is not a bottleneck for anything especially for game like MWO... where graphic is NOT so impressive compared to other games i roon smooth without ANY problem.

[Goose]

no u

http://forums.overcl...howtopic=189122

Coolers: … Heh.

I don't often think of stuff between Xigmatek Gaia/ Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus/ Evo on the one hand, and my great big honkin' Noctua NH-U12P SE1366. The Thermlright True Spirit 120M still rates well.

Teh current generation of closed-loop radiators are kind'a nice, having fixed all the issues of water cooling (read: fish tank maintenance), but are kind'a steep for what little thermal load I create, even in summer.

[SunderODeath]

Like everyone is saying you will need to either OC your CPU or get a new. I have an i7 3960x @ 4.8ghz. I upgraded from a 580 sli setup to a 780 classified sli setup, and even though mwo only uses one card, the performance increase was huge for me. Even with my CPU at 4.2ghz my frame rate went from 60fps with frequent drops into the 40s ( high settings 1080p) with the 580s to a solid 60fps 95% of the time ( 1440p all ultra) with the 780s ( rarely during heavy combat the fps will drop to 55 for a split second and when that happens one of my cores will be at near full load in the task manager). Keep in mind I play with vsync on so my fps is capped at 60, with it disabled fps goes much higher.

This game really loves fast single threaded performance at this point. If you could somehow get your CPU to around 4ghz you should see a big improvement. Also don't listen to people who say more than 4 cores is a waste. While this may be the case with MWO, many games are starting to take advantage of more than 4 cores. Battlefield 4 and crysis 3 are good examples of games that will gladly utilize all 6 of my cores, and with the next gen consoles having octo cores I would expect this trend to continue.

Edited by SunderODeath, 29 November 2013 - 05:16 PM.

[MavRCK]

Sybreed, on 29 November 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

that's what I was thinking as well. After Christmas I'll shop around and get a better cooling unit. I got a question for the knowledgeable people... are air coolers good enough to overclock? Or should I go water pump? (had a bad experience with water coolers...)

Get a corsair from newegg.ca -- solid and reliable.

[Sybreed]

MavRCK, on 29 November 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Get a corsair from newegg.ca -- solid and reliable.

the one I had broke down

[Durant Carlyle]

Scarface1978, on 29 November 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

LIMITED ? man i have same problem i have GTX760, AMD Phenom II 940BE 3GHz all games work like a charm only MWO gives me 15-20 fps @_@ thats insane how badly this game is optimized... 100% his CPU is not a bottleneck for anything especially for game like MWO... where graphic is NOT so impressive compared to other games i roon smooth without ANY problem.

It may not be a bottleneck for other games, but it certainly is in this game ... both for you and for Sybreed. Overclock your CPU and you will see better performance. I guarantee it.

[Sybreed]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 November 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

It may not be a bottleneck for other games, but it certainly is in this game ... both for you and for Sybreed. Overclock your CPU and you will see better performance. I guarantee it.

well... bottleneck... I can still run the game at max settings with a steady 50 FPS and drops to 35 when a lot of stuff is going on.

It could be worse!

[Durant Carlyle]

Considering my machine (seen in this post) with a lesser GPU almost never goes below 55 FPS even in the heat of close combat with many 'Mechs and explosions ... yes, you have a CPU bottleneck.

And mine's at 2560x1440, full screen, all very high settings.

With this Nvidia Control Panel config:
AO: Performance
AF: 16x
AA-FXAA: On
AA-Gamma: On
AA-Mode: Override
AA-Setting: 4x
AA-Trans: Multisample
CUDA-GPUs: All
MaxPreRenderFrames: 2
MultiDisp/MixedGPUAccel: Single Display Performance Mode
PowManMode: Prefer Maximum Performance
TF-ASO: On
TF-NLOD: Clamp
TF-Quality: Quality
TF-TriOpt: On
ThreadOpt: On
TripBuf: On
VertSync: Use 3D

Even I have a CPU bottleneck. If I could overclock my CPU, I'd get even better performance than I do now. But I chose to get a regular 4770 instead of the 4770K because I needed the features for virtualization that the K didn't have.

Edited by Durant Carlyle, 29 November 2013 - 09:38 PM.

[Flapdrol]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 November 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

AA-Gamma: On
AA-Mode: Override
AA-Setting: 4x
AA-Trans: Multisample

Whatwhatwhat? you can force AA??? will try right now.

edit:cant even select it in the nvidia control panel

Edited by Flapdrol, 30 November 2013 - 03:21 AM.

[Sen]

I just wanted to pop in with a reminder: It's not worth trying to make sense out of why one machine does better than another in MwO:

I had a 3930x on a Rampage IV extreme, dual 7950s [I tried removing one, no change--no xfire support in MwO] and 32 gig. it got 48-60 FPS, sometimes dipping down to 42.

I sold most of it [kept the GPUs and 2 x 4 GB sticks of ram] and built a 4770k on a mini ITX Asus Impact VI. It's only overclocked to 4.0, has 8 gig ram, and one of my 7950s. . . and doesn't dip under 58.

I don't know if it's the chipset, or the difference in board size/layout. I have a hard time believing that the changes in haswell would scrape that much more efficiency out of a machine. . but SOMETHING changed.

Just some musings that might help inspire ^^

[Sh4dow78]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 November 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

It may not be a bottleneck for other games, but it certainly is in this game ... both for you and for Sybreed. Overclock your CPU and you will see better performance. I guarantee it.

i tried max what i can get from my PC is 3.4GHz.... or my OC skills are not enough to get more but still even when i up it to 3,4GHz i got like maybe 3-5 more fps so... I will just wait when they add DX11 and i see if this change anything if not, well i just uninstall this game thats sad becouse is only game with mechs here and i really like it, not to mention i spend my money to get extra mechbays and some other stuff. I will definitely not invest money to get some high end CPU bcoz i just simply cant afford it and i will have to change like 90% of my PC for this which is not worth for me just to play one game.

[Durant Carlyle]

Flapdrol, on 30 November 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Whatwhatwhat? you can force AA??? will try right now.

edit:cant even select it in the nvidia control panel

Could be driver version differences (I have 331.82, the newest WHQL). It's selectable for me both in global settings and in each program's individual profile. Note that I don't have a specific profile for MW:O -- it uses the global settings.

Could also be hardware differences (I have a GTX 780).

[Goose]

"Durant is using nVidia Inspector" was my guess, but more importantly "Why is Multisampling a worthy goal?" I didn't pick up on an image quality improvement the times I tried it, and it hammered framerates. PostMSAA seems so über to me …

Sen: The Instructions Per Clock improvements seen as Intel Marches On are often downplayed, even though they act as a multiplier to GHz …

Linkie: http://www.tomshardw...rk,2974-15.html

Edited by Goose, 30 November 2013 - 10:54 AM.

[Sybreed]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 November 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Considering my machine (seen in this post) with a lesser GPU almost never goes below 55 FPS even in the heat of close combat with many 'Mechs and explosions ... yes, you have a CPU bottleneck.

Yes, for MWO only

IMO, this game is finding new ways to bottleneck itself

[Iqfish]

Durant Carlyle, on 29 November 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

yes, you have a CPU bottleneck.

This says all. Please, for the sake of every gamer in the universe, get a new CPU and use the full power of your GPU...

[Sybreed]

Any cpu suggestions? And is it really nnecessary. .. I mean this cpu was pretty top of the line not so long ago (like 12 months ago)

And if future games will benefit from my 6 cores, why would I change?

[Iqfish]

i7 4770K should be pretty decent, maybe even a i7 4930K, but thats again a 6 core CPU.

[Grrzoot]

i would really just get a new cooler and overclok it. on the i series intel made it very easy to do and those chips all come at stock well under what they can perform at. It will only cost you a cooler and maybe a couple hours of research to get good performance out of it.