148 replies to this topic

[Roland]

hybrid86, on 06 December 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

yes they are very usefull most people say there not but my best mech has had one on it for months and crits are amazing when you find ammo since all it takes is one pellet to hit ammo and boom that part is gone.
i can get an average damage of 600+ with it, but thats my opinion and it fits how i like to play. if you want message me and il give you the build

You are misinformed regarding how crits work in this game, as well as how often ammo explodes. It does not work the same as it does in the tabletop game. One pellet will not destroy ammo, even if it scores a crit. It needs to do 10 points of critical damage to the ammo to destroy it. Further, even when destroyed, ammo does not always explode.

[MonkeyCheese]

Roland, on 06 December 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

I love reading the posts by the folks who think their lbx garbage mechs are effective.

They aren't effective. The weapon is trash. Whatever level of effectiveness you are achieving with lbx, you would do better with other weapons.

In terms of actual combat effectiveness per ton, the lbx is easily one of the worst weapons in the game.

If you think your lbx are good, I urge you to replace them with other weapons, and compare your effectiveness.

In terms of how to fix them, the answer to that is easy. Just do what prior mechwarrior titles have already done, and increase the damage to 1.4 per pellet. That will make them only somewhat better at range, while making them devastating infighting weapons, which is exactly the niche they should fill.

I seriously doubt we will ever see this change though, despite how obvious it is, given that the lbx has been a trash tier weapon since back in closed beta.

I loled but your suggestions would be nice.

So I guess getting 2-4 kills and 300-500 damage in a lb10x cicada is garbage...

I think it has its uses in medium mechs where every weight is more precious than in bigger mechs but I still dont understand all the hate.

It is a shotgun it is designed to splatter all over bigger mechs and it gets a crit bonus on mechs with exposed internals and works wonders when used as a secondary with some damaging weapons (srms/ppcs/LL/and so on) or when placed on a speedy mech. Isn't that enuf of a niche?

Also Dual builds are pointless unles it is an atlas with lots of other weaponry.

[Sybreed]

MonkeyCheese, on 06 December 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

I loled but your suggestions would be nice.

So I guess getting 2-4 kills and 300-500 damage in a lb10x cicada is garbage...

I think it has its uses in medium mechs where every weight is more precious than in bigger mechs but I still dont understand all the hate.

It is a shotgun it is designed to splatter all over bigger mechs and it gets a crit bonus on mechs with exposed internals and works wonders when used as a secondary with some damaging weapons (srms/ppcs/LL/and so on) or when placed on a speedy mech. Isn't that enuf of a niche?

Also Dual builds are pointless unles it is an atlas with lots of other weaponry.

an Lb-X is a secondary weapon ?

Dear lord, what has the world come to

[Deathlike]

Sybreed, on 06 December 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

an Lb-X is a secondary weapon ?

Dear lord, what has the world come to

The LBX was never/should never be a secondary weapon.

Only in MWO, this weapon is relegated into "limbo" status. It's "works", but doesn't do much more than that. It's one step (or two steps) higher than useless (of which the Flamer and NARC are in).

It was the most fun and usable weapon in MW4. It was alright in MW3 (at least the spread/knockback was alright).

I can't justify a use for the LBX compared to using the UAC5 since I'd get more bang for my tonnage and crits.

Edited by Deathlike, 06 December 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

The LBX10 currently shreds mechs almost as fast as AC/40s do. I'm amazed at how useful they are now at any range. PGI finally got something right for once.

[Zyllos]

lockwoodx, on 06 December 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

The LBX10 currently shreds mechs almost as fast as AC/40s do. I'm amazed at how useful they are now at any range. PGI finally got something right for once.

Not...even...close...

[Nehkrosis]

can it not potentially crit for 30 damage?

[Captain Stiffy]

Jun Watarase, on 03 December 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

The current metagame favors high damage, pinpoint strikes and hiding behind cover as weapons cycle.

The LB-10X can't do pinpoint strikes which makes it decidely inferior to the AC10. Has PGI still not been able to give a reason to use this?

(I hope nobody uses the crit seeking argument).

The point of the LB10-X is for me to destroy everyone with it.

Oh please buff it this time. I'm tired of explaining it. Please do it.

lockwoodx, on 06 December 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

The LBX10 currently shreds mechs almost as fast as AC/40s do. I'm amazed at how useful they are now at any range. PGI finally got something right for once.

this

[aniviron]

Roland, on 06 December 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

I love reading the posts by the folks who think their lbx garbage mechs are effective.

They aren't effective. The weapon is trash. Whatever level of effectiveness you are achieving with lbx, you would do better with other weapons.

In terms of actual combat effectiveness per ton, the lbx is easily one of the worst weapons in the game.

If you think your lbx are good, I urge you to replace them with other weapons, and compare your effectiveness.

In terms of how to fix them, the answer to that is easy. Just do what prior mechwarrior titles have already done, and increase the damage to 1.4 per pellet. That will make them only somewhat better at range, while making them devastating infighting weapons, which is exactly the niche they should fill.

I seriously doubt we will ever see this change though, despite how obvious it is, given that the lbx has been a trash tier weapon since back in closed beta.

While I wouldn't go quite as far as you, I'm inclined to agree with this. Whenever I have had an LB10 on a mech, if I can manage to free up the one ton or one crit that was holding me back from using an AC10 instead, the AC10 does far far better than the LB. This is the most noticeable on builds that rely very heavily on that weapon, like the LB10 RVN-4X; when I stripped a jumpjet and a half ton of armor to switch from the LB to the AC, not only did my damage go up, but I got significantly more kills, as all the damage was going where I needed it, either to the legs of the other lights or the back CT of heavier mechs. With the LB10, you can pound away at that highlander's back all day and he won't have to turn around, the damage is spread, and so it'll take you 3-4 shots to get through a section. With the AC10, it's 2 shots and I'm already hitting criticals.

[MonkeyCheese]

Sybreed, on 06 December 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

an Lb-X is a secondary weapon ?

Dear lord, what has the world come to

Crazy as it might sound I have seen Large energy/srm build atlas players before with the LB critpoping bodyparts off the enemy.

Edit: but obviously there are plenty of other better and more viable builds out there, but I guess that 1 ton less is too enticing for people.

Edited by MonkeyCheese, 06 December 2013 - 09:24 PM.

[Roland]

lockwoodx, on 06 December 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

The LBX10 currently shreds mechs almost as fast as AC/40s do. I'm amazed at how useful they are now at any range. PGI finally got something right for once.

You are hilariously wrong.

[Fooooo]

Nehkrosis, on 06 December 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

can it not potentially crit for 30 damage?

If the stars align I guess.....


If all shards hit the same open section, and all shards got a 3x roll on the crit........yes...however they wont all do dmg to the same component.......

However, 1 2x crit with an ac/20 does 40dmg all to the SAME component (each shard gets a seperate roll on the LBX afaik so all shards may put 3dmg into 10 different components if they all got 3x rolls ).............

Granted most components only have 10hp anyway, but still........

Pretty much one of the many useless weapons atm the lbx is imo.

Edited by Fooooo, 07 December 2013 - 01:03 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

MonkeyCheese, on 06 December 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

I loled but your suggestions would be nice.

So I guess getting 2-4 kills and 300-500 damage in a lb10x cicada is garbage...

That's not what Roland said.

What he said is that you would fare far better with an AC/10. What if you suddenly had 3-5 kills per match and 400-to700 damage with an AC/10 Cicada?

[Artgathan]

Nehkrosis, on 06 December 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

can it not potentially crit for 30 damage?

It actually has a 6.0466176^E-13 (that's a 6 preceded by 12 zeroes, so a 0.0000000000006%) chance of doing 60 damage. RNG Gods, give me strength!

[OneEyed Jack]

Fooooo, on 07 December 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

If the stars align I guess.....


If all shards hit the same open section, and all shards got a 3x roll on the crit........yes...however they wont all do dmg to the same component.......

However, 1 2x crit with an ac/20 does 40dmg all to the SAME component (each shard gets a seperate roll on the LBX afaik so all shards may put 3dmg into 10 different components if they all got 3x rolls ).............

Granted most components only have 10hp anyway, but still........

Pretty much one of the many useless weapons atm the lbx is imo.

No.

When a hit gets a x2 or x3 crit multiplier, each crit is assigned to a random component. They may hit the same component, but it's certainly not guaranteed, unless there's nothing else to crit.

[Nehkrosis]

...like ultra critting some poor mans ac20?

Edited by Nehkrosis, 07 December 2013 - 06:58 AM.

[Sybreed]

MonkeyCheese, on 06 December 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Crazy as it might sound I have seen Large energy/srm build atlas players before with the LB critpoping bodyparts off the enemy.

Edit: but obviously there are plenty of other better and more viable builds out there, but I guess that 1 ton less is too enticing for people.

Oh sure I understand what you mean. My point was that in a world where an Lb-X is considered a "secondary" weapon, you know something is wrong.

Thomas told me in private chat they intend to give switchable ammo... but who knows when that will happen.

[Roland]

MustrumRidcully, on 07 December 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

That's not what Roland said.

What he said is that you would fare far better with an AC/10. What if you suddenly had 3-5 kills per match and 400-to700 damage with an AC/10 Cicada?

You will do better with the ac than with the lbx.

No one is consistently getting 3-5 kills and 500 damage with an lbx cicada. It is an outlier, and yes, you will sometimes get that performance with ac 10's.

[Dedra Meero]

Master Q, on 03 December 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

Welcome to ACWarrior Online. Next month they nerf the ACs and put out a pay-to-win version of the Gauss Rifle that no longer has charge delay.

This game is all about two things.

AC/20
ER PPC

All I see these days is poptarts with ER PPCs and dual AC/20's running around.

Bottom line is the tactical aspect of this so-called tactical game has pretty much been removed. Which makes is just any other shooter and thus quite dull in my opinion.

It's Poptart Online more than anything currently.

[OneEyed Jack]

Bloodfiend, on 08 December 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

This game is all about two things.

AC/20
ER PPC

All I see these days is poptarts with ER PPCs and dual AC/20's running around.

Bottom line is the tactical aspect of this so-called tactical game has pretty much been removed. Which makes is just any other shooter and thus quite dull in my opinion.

It's Poptart Online more than anything currently.

Sooooo....

It's only tactics if it's something you want to do?