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[ShadowMaw]

Not sure where to put this as I could not find just a suggestion only topic so here it goes. Can we please get the dragon swapped out of the trial mechs that you have running now? Why you ask? It has a weapon on it that is called a guass rifle.

It would be nice to get it changed out with a mech that does not have a weapon that is gimped that many ppl do not use anymore.

[Escef]

Unfortunately, the only other heavy Champion is the A1 Catapult. While not a bad machine, there are some that posit the idea that lock-ons are too complicated a concept for new players to grasp... To be honest, I've seen experienced players that don't seem to grasp it.

[DarkDevilDancer]

They need to add a weapons training module asap so many new players ignore the gauss and rely just on the LL, which does little damage because they haven't got the knack of keeping the beam steady yet.

I feel sorry stomping the dragons so easily, it was a decent setup before gauss change but now it's a death trap.

[CDLord HHGD]

Want to change the loadout on the dragon? Easy... GO BUY ONE WITH CBILLS (aka play money). Then you can do whatever you want with it. Stop being a virtual freeloader and still whining about it. Beggars cannot be choosey.....

[DarkDevilDancer]

cdlord, on 10 December 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Want to change the loadout on the dragon? Easy... GO BUY ONE WITH CBILLS (aka play money). Then you can do whatever you want with it. Stop being a virtual freeloader and still whining about it. Beggars cannot be choosey.....

Except and this is really the entire point here HE CANT WITHOUT USING THE TRIAL MECH FIRST!

Sure he as 3 other weight classes but if he wants to play a heavy all he has is a outdated build based on a now defunct meta.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowMaw, on 10 December 2013 - 02:33 AM, said:

Not sure where to put this as I could not find just a suggestion only topic so here it goes. Can we please get the dragon swapped out of the trial mechs that you have running now? Why you ask? It has a weapon on it that is called a guass rifle.

It would be nice to get it changed out with a mech that does not have a weapon that is gimped that many ppl do not use anymore.

Actually, having a Gauss Rifle on a trial mech is a perfect idea. The idea of Trials is to give not only practice with a chassis, before one commits, but to weapon systems. Believe it or not, a lot of people still can use the Gauss just fine, and so since it IS a featured weapon, people can play with it, and decide if they want to use it or not, without wasting CBills.

So no, having the Dragon in Trials, and at least one mech in every set of trials, with a Gauss is actually smart, and doing the new guys playing the game a huge favor. No offense, but this post is extremely short sighted and somewhat self centered.

DarkDevilDancer, on 10 December 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Except and this is really the entire point here HE CANT WITHOUT USING THE TRIAL MECH FIRST!

Sure he as 3 other weight classes but if he wants to play a heavy all he has is a outdated build based on a now defunct meta.

And again, that's too bad, because the weapon needs to be there, where people can use it. Sometimes it'll be on the dragon, other times, on the Atlas. Deal with it.

[DarkDevilDancer]

I havent seen a gauss in game in over a month now, its quite literally all auto-cannons all the time.

Not being able to snap shot with the gauss loses you alot of chances to inflict harm and means its DPS is far lower than a AC10.

And with no weapons tutorial there's no clue how to effectively use the weapon or tell you about the draw back.

[Bishop Steiner]

DarkDevilDancer, on 10 December 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

I havent seen a gauss in game in over a month now, its quite literally all auto-cannons all the time.

Not being able to snap shot with the gauss loses you alot of chances to inflict harm and means its DPS is far lower than a AC10.

And with no weapons tutorial there's no clue how to effectively use the weapon or tell you about the draw back.

I see Gauss pretty regularly, at least one unit per match, not counting Trials. Usually at least someone has a Gauss Jager, or one Slapped on an Atlas. Because in both cases, for people with the patience to learn very simple skill, the Gauss is still bloody effective. I will never take it off my Atlas RS, as it has won me too many duels. That 2000 mps projectile speed is easily worth having to learn to juggle the charge mechanic, which I admit is no intuitive. In fact, IMO, with all trials, the first time you run any of them, you should automatically be dropped into a Training Ground scenario where they go over the loadout. That said, the mechanic IS explained in the forums, even is forum transparency is not a PGI strong suit. But people can put on their big boy pants, and do some research, or run a different mech until the next rial swap. You can't make this game all thing sto all people, with every set of trials there are always ones I don't want to touch.

[DarkDevilDancer]

Only a fraction of us use the forums though, most play without ever looking at this site.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

In fact, IMO, with all trials, the first time you run any of them, you should automatically be dropped into a Training Ground scenario where they go over the loadout.

This is an idea I can absolutely get behind. The tutorial should also cover basic tactics and implementation of the mech. Earlier to day I saw a guy in a Spider that almost never shot without parking first, and I saw him again in a trial HGN not even attempting to swerve away from damage unless he was abandoning a position. It was almost painful to watch.

[Bishop Steiner]

DarkDevilDancer, on 10 December 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Only a fraction of us use the forums though, most play without ever looking at this site.

and that is ours, or PGIs fault how?

Laziness reaps it's own rewards. Call me arrogant, but I honestly could give two drizzles less if a person remains ignorant because they choose NOT to avail themselves of information.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

and that is ours, or PGIs fault how?

It's not. And he wasn't saying it is.

However, the game needs a consumer base to keep going. And while those of us on the boards are obviously fans of the franchise/IP and play the game a fair amount, let us be honest with each other, this is a game that from the start was FTP. If the folks who start using trial mechs just flat out can't shoot their weapons for no apparent reason, than they are less likely to stick with the game. So that means fewer people coming on board, and only a certain percentage of those are going to become paying customers. Which means less growth of the consumer base, and without a growing consumer base PGI won't be able to afford more staff or servers. And it's pretty evident that PGI could use both.

Edited by Escef, 10 December 2013 - 10:12 PM.

[ShadowMaw]

cdlord, on 10 December 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Want to change the loadout on the dragon? Easy... GO BUY ONE WITH CBILLS (aka play money). Then you can do whatever you want with it. Stop being a virtual freeloader and still whining about it. Beggars cannot be choosey.....

I guess my post was a bit over your head. It was more about the guass rifle than the mech.

As for the freeloader comment, some of us are a bit smarter than those that say "Just take my money" when things fall short of your expectations. But hey some ppl have more money than brains it seems even (aka play money).

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

I see Gauss pretty regularly, at least one unit per match...(snip)

Laziness reaps it's own rewards. Call me arrogant, but I honestly could give two drizzles less if a person remains ignorant because they choose NOT to avail themselves of information.

Speaking about ignorant.... So some people still use it. But you are ignorant if you think the numbers you see now are anything close to how many used that weapon before the nerf.

But yea... it's time to change up the dragon and if you need to put a mech in so players can try your potato gun do it on the atlas. At least it has other weapons to use other than 2 large lasers.

Edited by ShadowMaw, 10 December 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[Alcom Isst]

There are still five Heavy Chassis that could use a champion mech, and subsequently be put on the list for trial mechs.

How about a...
2-AC/10 Jagermech?
2-UAC/5 Jagermech?
MG+AC Jagermech?

Metagamey Cataphract?
4-LL Learning Curve Cataphract?
Quad AC-5 Catapract?

Orions?
More Orions?
Even More Orions? (Incidentally I'm not too familar with Orions.)

Or how about... Hey what are you doing here, Quickdraw? Get out! I'm trying to think of some good trial heavy mech builds.

Or perhaps a Thunderbolt in the future.

Edited by Alcom Isst, 11 December 2013 - 03:32 AM.

[DarkDevilDancer]

A two ac 10 jeager would be a great trial mech, not too hot but lays down decent damage.

Trial quickdraw isn't a good idea though it needs an experienced pilot to do well in one.

Trial phract would be a good option, give them a 3d and they'll fall in love.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowMaw, on 10 December 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

I guess my post was a bit over your head. It was more about the guass rifle than the mech.

As for the freeloader comment, some of us are a bit smarter than those that say "Just take my money" when things fall short of your expectations. But hey some ppl have more money than brains it seems even (aka play money).




Speaking about ignorant.... So some people still use it. But you are ignorant if you think the numbers you see now are anything close to how many used that weapon before the nerf.

But yea... it's time to change up the dragon and if you need to put a mech in so players can try your potato gun do it on the atlas. At least it has other weapons to use other than 2 large lasers.

No, ignorant is implying something never said. At no point have I said it is as common as it once was. Before the latest nerf it was not as common as it was before the reduced it's *hit* points (wow, Canadian censorship at it's finest... I have "it's" and a space then "hit points" and it censors it out. You canucks need decaf). Even then it was not as common as before the introduced DHS, when it was the god-stick.

Anytime a weapon takes more skill or effort, it's use falls off. That neither invalidates it's use, nor the need for it to be on a free chassis for people to be able to experiment with it.

If you are trying for the ignorance crown, your post is a good step.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 December 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[ShadowMaw]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 December 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

No, ignorant is implying something never said. At no point have I said it is as common as it once was.

Bishop Steiner, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

I see Gauss pretty regularly, ...(snip)

O'Really? Seems you were trying to make the point that it is still pretty regular.

Bishop Steiner, on 11 December 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

If you are trying for the ignorance crown, your post is a good step.

Naa... Your post is much better. You are ignorant of what you put in a post only 7 up from your last one.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowMaw, on 12 December 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

O'Really? Seems you were trying to make the point that it is still pretty regular.



Naa... Your post is much better. You are ignorant of what you put in a post only 7 up from your last one.

yes, I could edit your posts to make them say what I want, too.... except I don't need to do so to make my points. Which just goes to show you have no point. Bravo.

[ShadowMaw]

Bishop Steiner, on 12 December 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

yes, I could edit your posts to make them say what I want, too.... except I don't need to do so to make my points. Which just goes to show you have no point. Bravo.

Not edits... quotes. But instead of quoting the entire thing I make it easy for people to see the important parts I am addressing. No reason to post about you having problems with canucks and the other unrelated stuff is there?

Ok I am done here you can have the last word. Seeing by the number of posts you have you have a lot to say to everyone. Some day you will realize you don't know everything and more importantly you sure don't speak for anyone. So go ahead the stage is all yours.

[Amsro]

ShadowMaw, on 10 December 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Speaking about ignorant.... So some people still use it. But you are ignorant if you think the numbers you see now are anything close to how many used that weapon before the nerf.

But yea... it's time to change up the dragon and if you need to put a mech in so players can try your potato gun do it on the atlas. At least it has other weapons to use other than 2 large lasers.

Aww Gauss numbers are down now that people AC/20 + Dual PPC poptart! Who would have guessed!

It matters not because Gauss is still damn good.

Edit;

I tried one match in the trial mech to see if it was a bad mech. No, even with no experience in Dragons I managed to have a good match. I'm surely not the only one who can use Guass?

Edited by Amsro, 12 December 2013 - 01:26 AM.