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Does your 12 players team have problems with finding opponent lately?

  1. Yes, it takes too long (80 votes [53.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.69%

  2. No, it is not a problem (26 votes [17.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.45%

  3. I do not play 12vs12 matches (43 votes [28.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.86%

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#41 KinLuu

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:22 AM

Yeah, its not like the grouplimit was implemented for a reason or something.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:24 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 16 December 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

It's not an exploit

Anyone can be a bait mech

I am making mad cbills solo

ggclose

Your message is ********

Fair play isn't in my vocabulary. Especially when I solo PUG

so basically you say you suck and cant win on a even level and need a full group to do it.
Yup no issue at all.
Kinda sad really - do you still live at home by any chance?
The only way you play as if the odds are so far in your favour that no matter what you do you get a win.
So this is why we never get a solo q cause baddies need to be carried.

#43 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:34 AM

View PostBlurry, on 16 December 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

Kinda sad really - do you still live at home by any chance?
Just a simple FYI... Where ever you live is home Blurry. I have a $1,300 a month Mortgage to prove that.

Now if you mean does the OP live with his/her folks? That is a different question. I would assume you also Live at home... Unless you sleep and eat and leisure at work. :D :D

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 16 December 2013 - 04:46 AM.


#44 Ghogiel

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:43 AM

View PostBlurry, on 16 December 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

so basically you say you suck and cant win on a even level and need a full group to do it.

Nope.

I say you suck and cant win against me solo even if you are in a full group

ggclose

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Yup no issue at all.
Kinda sad really - do you still live at home by any chance?


I do live at my home!

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The only way you play as if the odds are so far in your favour that no matter what you do you get a win.

umad or ujelly?

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So this is why we never get a solo q cause baddies need to be carried.

I never thought about it like that. Really, what would you baddies do without being carried?

Edited by Ghogiel, 16 December 2013 - 04:44 AM.


#45 KinLuu

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 05:33 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 16 December 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

I never thought about it like that. Really, what would you baddies do without being carried?


This is a very dangerous path to walk, Sir Ghogiel the bold. A path that leads to a terrible land, a land full of raeg and mad. Do you want to walk this path? Are you ready for the path of shared rewards?

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:11 AM

View PostDeathlike, on 15 December 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Mudhutwarrior's fear has been realized - enjoy! :
https://twitter.com/...632349128429568


Most 12 mans we hit may as well be pugs. They usually end 12-0 to 12-2. The bad thing about this, it is going to be next to impossible to practice 12s now, unless you have another team ready to scrim.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:25 AM

The biggest problem with 12 mans is that you can't play in them unless you have EXACTLY 12 players.

And since you can't play at all with 5-11 players, it's extremely unlikely that a group of players is going to hang around while another 7 players show up. You get 5 players, and someone just drops off.

This has been a known issue for a year now, and instead of being dealt with, it was made WORSE by the move to 12 man games.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:11 AM

View PostKinLuu, on 16 December 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:


This is a very dangerous path to walk, Sir Ghogiel the bold. A path that leads to a terrible land, a land full of raeg and mad. Do you want to walk this path? Are you ready for the path of shared rewards?

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#49 KharnZor

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:11 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 16 December 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Notice how the defenders of pug stomping use terms like "evil premades" or some other type of camouflage.

No one is saying premades are evil but that the few who do just exploit ruin it for everyone.

The premades who never communicate with the rest of their team or use them for bait. The premades bent on only stomping for profit and mocking those they wipe out is what give you all a bad rap.

So instead of trying to convince the bad apples to change, Trying to encourage more preamdes to move up to 12v you instead attack the messenger. I have played enough matches to see most of the guys here who are constantly mocking or ridiculing. Your true motives shine through though. We just want a fair shake, No crutches, no advantage., You clowns want control and domination. Fair play isnt in your vocabulary. You will go the way of PGI and the rest of the corruption so enjoy your time.

How do you type up there on that cross?
You've done your best at demonizing premades for some time now and failed at every turn by always resorting to the martyr card at almost every point.
Fair play isn't in my vocabulary? Oh please get over yourself.
You arent fooling anyone Mud.

View PostBlurry, on 16 December 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

so basically you say you suck and cant win on a even level and need a full group to do it.
Yup no issue at all.
Kinda sad really - do you still live at home by any chance?
The only way you play as if the odds are so far in your favour that no matter what you do you get a win.
So this is why we never get a solo q cause baddies need to be carried.

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#50 Mudhutwarrior

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:59 AM

"Evil Premades" "Up on cross" That all you guys have.

Sorry but I think it takes some kind of ***** to think command and control plays no bearing in the outcome of a match. Tactics and Doctrine dictates that to dominate and enemy you destroy their command and control first. Its the biggest priority in any engagement in the real world.
Now you guys come with command and control (voip) that is invulnerable against an enemy using smoke signals and semaphore and some how think its your mad skills that make the win.
Its the Highway of Death in Kuwait most often and pugs have no ability to disrupt you comms or resort to 4gw to counter.

It just takes a complete new level of stupid to keep denying the advantage.

Now what more insults can you hurl over reasoned argument?

#51 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:18 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 16 December 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Notice how the defenders of pug stomping use terms like "evil premades" or some other type of camouflage.

No one is saying premades are evil but that the few who do just exploit ruin it for everyone.

The premades who never communicate with the rest of their team or use them for bait. The premades bent on only stomping for profit and mocking those they wipe out is what give you all a bad rap.

So instead of trying to convince the bad apples to change, Trying to encourage more preamdes to move up to 12v you instead attack the messenger. I have played enough matches to see most of the guys here who are constantly mocking or ridiculing. Your true motives shine through though. We just want a fair shake, No crutches, no advantage., You clowns want control and domination. Fair play isnt in your vocabulary. You will go the way of PGI and the rest of the corruption so enjoy your time.

I'd rather keep everyone in one Que Cause I want to drop against the best and the fresh at any time. I want my combat game to like combat. Never knowing if this time the enemy is better than we are. I hate it that I supposedly can drop knowing the enemy is just as good as me... Where's the fun in that?

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:25 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 17 December 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

I'd rather keep everyone in one Que Cause I want to drop against the best and the fresh at any time. I want my combat game to like combat. Never knowing if this time the enemy is better than we are. I hate it that I supposedly can drop knowing the enemy is just as good as me... Where's the fun in that?


Hmmm... yeah where is the fun in games that end 1vs1 thats totaly boring , you are right, 12:0 or 10:0 is much more exciting :wacko:

#53 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:36 AM

View Post3endless8oogie, on 17 December 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:


Hmmm... yeah where is the fun in games that end 1vs1 thats totaly boring , you are right, 12:0 or 10:0 is much more exciting :D

Make the 12:11 fih even more meaningful when it happens :wacko: 5-10 ROTFLstomps boring... One hard fought battle to the wire. Epic!

12 battle to the wire... after the 3rd 4th becomes less Epic. Give me verity and unknown to keep me interested. ;)

#54 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:39 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 17 December 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

"Evil Premades" "Up on cross" That all you guys have.

Sorry but I think it takes some kind of ***** to think command and control plays no bearing in the outcome of a match. Tactics and Doctrine dictates that to dominate and enemy you destroy their command and control first. Its the biggest priority in any engagement in the real world.
Now you guys come with command and control (voip) that is invulnerable against an enemy using smoke signals and semaphore and some how think its your mad skills that make the win.
Its the Highway of Death in Kuwait most often and pugs have no ability to disrupt you comms or resort to 4gw to counter.

It just takes a complete new level of stupid to keep denying the advantage.

Now what more insults can you hurl over reasoned argument?

The best team wins. The best team wins by using the equipment and advantages at their disposal. Scrubs make excuses for why they lose. Don't forget I PUG as much as I Pre made (if not more PUG lately). :wacko:

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:09 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 17 December 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

The best team wins. The best team wins by using the equipment and advantages at their disposal. Scrubs make excuses for why they lose. Don't forget I PUG as much as I Pre made (if not more PUG lately). ;)


Fine for the both of us as we have long history here and the experience to do well. Its about retaining new players and helping them learn faster which will improve gameplay for everyone past the stompers who want it easy.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:30 PM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 17 December 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

"Evil Premades" "Up on cross" That all you guys have.

No, that's all you have.
ggclose

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:13 AM

Gentlemen, enough of the venom.

The easy solution would be to throw three random four man groups into the 12 man queue whenever a 12 man group is unable to find a match.

People would quickly try to form 12 mans, or just stick with playing solo or 1-2 friends. ;)

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 01:05 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 14 December 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

It boils down to many, too many take the easy road. Why would you form up in 12 mans and fight equal opponents when you can drop in smaller groups and crush pugs?

There are plenty of premades dropping non stop who could move up to a skill based fight but they won't. Its called cowardice as it easier to bully pugs and earn more than really challenge oneself.

Just look at the wrecking crew here on the forums fighting tooth and nail to keep it the same as yesterday. Biggest cowards of the bunch with a majority sharing the same house. PGI could change this system and push the exploiters to really fight but they wont because of these guys making sure they suppress anything that runs counter to their goals,

I would like to work my way up to competition play by joining a team but I will not join a team to exploit pugs for profit. So far each one I have been invited to join is going the easy route. I just wont do it.

I would like to thank those who run in the big leagues. You teach me a lot when I watch your matches and read you posts on the forums Someday I do hope to stand alongside you in battle.


You're perspective is limited. You have no idea how hard it is to keep 12 people that live all across the globe in one place and working together when the game is as stale as it is now. Especially when you finally get 12 people together and readied up then you fail to find a match continually for 20 minutes. The match that then follows is full of pinpoint alpha wielding jump sniping assaults and is more often than not severely imbalanced tonnage wise. Then people leave due to sheer boredom and frustration. You then have to scour the various TS3's for random people to drop with you. Maybe if you actually played 12 man's you'd know that more often than not 12 man's break up into 4 man's because there isn't any other teams to flippin play against!!!!!!!!

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:27 AM

No Lobbysystem = No real Team and Leaguefights =biggest fail for a Multiplayergame

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:52 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 17 December 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

I hate premades and I lie about how the MM works so new players might believe me and I can gain "support" for my opinion

For those that don't know and to clear up this idea that Mud seems to want to propagate and for new players so they don't get lied to and given false information regarding how MM works

one premade on one team = one premade on the other side
two premades on one team - two premades on the other side
12 man teams ONLY drop against another 12 man premade, they have a separate queue.

If anyone says otherwise to you they're either lying, misinformed or are just trolling you. Also, if any new players are having issues with getting into one-sided games a lot or just not having much fun I would highly suggest you check out the pugs on teamspeak servers. You can often find a lot of lone wolves on there looking for a few players to drop with and get some good advice and tips on builds, strategies, etc. A lot of times other lone wolves like to use voip to coordinated with their pug so it's a good tool. Even if you don't have a mic you can still find a few other pugs to play with.





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