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[Noth]

Ngamok, on 14 December 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Why does clan mechs package cost so much?



Model BLR-1G Class Assault Cost 8,501,243 C-bills

Mad Cat / Timber Wolf
Model Prime Class Heavy Cost 24,233,124 C-bills



Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. So the cost associated with the clans is because they cost so many c-bills to begin with. Now you know why the Phoenix Package and the Clan package are different. You are paying to skip having to buy mechs at those C-Bill prices.

Actually, the cost per mech of these clan packs is almost identical to that of the PP. The reason that there are packs that cost more is because they come with more mechs.

[Ngamok]

CaveMan, on 14 December 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

500 frakkin' dollars for a gold skinned 'Mech? This entire thing is highway robbery.

You know what? [REDACTED] this. MWO is dead to me. This pack of clowns has completely and totally lost its way.

I'm uninstalling right now. See you guys when the next MechWarrior game comes out, though it'll probably be another 10 years.

Don't buy one. Let the really rich people buy one. No one is forcing anyone to buy one. WTF

[Alabaster Black]

Tolkien, on 14 December 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Gold star... think hard before you buy any clan packs. They have a history of changing not only their position at the time, but the wording of a deal after it has been made:



Approximately 3 days before Phoenix was released they changed this image to say something like 'hot rod cammo pattern', which I believe was after the deadline for cancelling your phoenix order without having your account locked. Overall pretty classy and anyone buying clans should be prepared to possibly have the deal changed on them.

I had considered contacting support to ask about this. "Exclusive" they keeping using this word, but I do not think it means what they think it means. Or else......

[Roadbeer]

Nerdragers, "WHERE'S THE CLAN STUFF!!!!!56!!!"
PGI, "Ok, here you go, here's your Clan info"
Nerdragers, "GAAHHHHH, WHY SO EXPENSIVE (even though it's basically the same deal as PP) MAAAAA, CASH GRAB, GAHHHHH YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!!!8!!!7!!!!! DOOM!!!65!!!!!"

[Alabaster Black]

Sephlock, on 14 December 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

All I can say is that I've been a good little sheep up till now (see the patches below my name), and even this is not enough to scare me off from the franchise completely, but there is no way on earth i am getting a gold mech unless I hit the lottery or something (in which case I might try to buy out PGI and force them to remove Ghost heat... and implement an Urbanmech).

[Redacted]

Seriously, this is grade A douchery. For the second time, want me to throw $500 down on a single mech, include some shares in the company.

Edited by John Wolf, 16 December 2013 - 08:34 AM.
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[Jess Hazen]

Will9761, on 14 December 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

I love the artwork of the clans mechs, but the only problem I have with the clan pack is the pricing. I understand the reason why the mech bundle goes to $100, after all you get what you pay for and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the fact that the Clan mech's prices have been arranged to act like a different lance of mechs is my problem. For example the venerable Timber Wolf (Mad Cat) cost $210 dollars and a Puma (Adder) cost $90 dollars, that doesn't make any sense and it would anger people who want their favorite mech. But if the Timber Wolf was $180 (due to mech bundles and tonnage) then I could live with that. The cost of the mechs should be based on their tonnage and weight class. Basically the cost should be upgraded as you purchase the next weight class akin, to the Project Phoenix program.

Original Mech arrangements:
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $240
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $210
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $180
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $90
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $120
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $90
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $60
Light (30) - Kit Fox = $30

How the mechs should be rearranged:
Assault (100 tons) - Dire Wolf = $240
Assault (85 tons) - Warhawk = $210
Heavy (75 tons) -Timber Wolf = $180
Heavy (70 tons) - Summoner = $150
Medium (55 tons) - Stormcrow = $120
Medium (50 tons) - Nova = $90
Light (35 tons) - Puma = $60
Light (30 tons) - Kit Fox = $30

Had the prices would have been labeled like this, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
EDIT : I meant to say upgrade, I just couldn't think of it earlier. Also I used Project Phoenix as an example.

Yeah no... Your solution is in no way fair... I'm pretty sure you're missing the major reason why this sale is a terrible money grab. Why should anyone have to buy X number of mechs to get to the one that they want? Such is the way of this terrible twosome who is PGREEDI/IGREEDP.

Edited by Jess Hazen, 14 December 2013 - 10:43 PM.

[Hawk819]

How does this work?

I want to purchase the Masakari Package, but lack the funds. So I thought, and I hope I'm right, that If I got the Daishi (Dire Wolf) package, and then upgrade my purchase to the Masakari package. I'm not sure that I can. the first is 120 and I don't know if I have purchase the other at 240. Can some one explain this? Cause in the past I bought the Overlord and Legendary Founder packages, and I had no trouble.

[Kristina Sarah McEvedy]

I need a Keanu picture for this, seriously.

What if PGI intended to do this as a PR stunt and then, at our darkest and most violent hour, PGI whips out the two aces with advanced information on CW and UI2.0, complete with dedicated release dates, and, on top of that, answering every single last one of our questions about the upcoming clan mechs and our concerns. Faith is restored, old guard start coming back, prices are lowered in the game, and the company and its game soar into superstardom.

.....yeah, life doesn't tend to work out that neatly...ever.

[Elkfire]

I think someone predicted this would happen. Massive cash grab with Clan mechs before CW or needed core features are released and worked out.

[Roadbeer]

hawk819, on 14 December 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

How does this work?

I want to purchase the Masakari Package, but lack the funds. So I thought, and I hope I'm right, that If I got the Daishi (Dire Wolf) package, and then upgrade my purchase to the Masakari package. I'm not sure that I can. the first is 120 and I don't know if I have purchase the other at 240. Can some one explain this? Cause in the past I bought the Overlord and Legendary Founder packages, and I had no trouble.

You can upgrade your package as you go. If you can only afford $120 now, cool, you still have 6 months (probably more) to fund the other $120

[Mavairo]

There is no way in hell this is happening.
The Phoenix package I wrestled with. (At the time I wanted an Assault I could learn on, and I messed around with the battlemaster on smurfy long before it became available.)

I wrestled with the Elite Founders back then a great deal less because a AAA Game costs 60 dollars. I bought in back then as an investment into the game's future.

I bought into the Phoenix because I wanted some light mechs, as well as some Assaults, and the Thunderbolt's artwork sold it. Of all my Phoenix Mechs... the Thunderbolts are the only ones I use. The Locust turned out to be total trash. The Battlemaster I haven't even touched yet. The Shadowhawk is a pretty decent performer in a pug environment. I bought it after hearing that UI 2.0 was coming Soon.

I activated my Premium Time For The First Time since CB. (I have every intention on getting the full time out of that time too. I've played almost everyday since I activated) to get my money's worth.

My buddy and I were on skype when we fired up mwo today. And we saw the Invasion Ad. We both freaked... and were contemplating. Then we saw the joke prices.

While I do not feel ripped off with my Phoenix Mechs (My Tbolts have earned their playtime). There is no way I could ever look at this and say "I want a Mad Cat" When you buy a Mech Pack like this, let's all be honest. You aren't going to use most of the walking scrap piles that most of the mechs that for whatever reason don't suit you. You are buying it for one to two mechs, tops.

At 210 dollars.. I'd be getting Timberwolves and Novas.
You can't mix and match mechs to get the packages you want so your mech bay gets even more cluttered (honestly who here actually Sells mechs anymore? I have kept EVERY mech I have bought, except for the Not Awesome. Even my God Forsaken 1N Dragon is still there!)

We're more than a year behind schedule for the promised Community Warfare. We are more than a year now of just having Two Game Modes, and still we are not lacking in poorly balanced maps (especially with the new spawn points! Good job making already sketchy maps even worse PGI).

We have horrendous mechanics like Ghost Heat, and Third Person. Still Sorry Joystick Support, convergence balance issues, incredibly pro Jump Jet mechanics in place and a slew of other core issues riddling the game with too many bullets to make this worth even the purchase of one AAA Title, let alone several.

Let's put this in perspective. For the price of the 240 package. You can Buy 4 AAA title games For the Console of your choice. That's to say nothing of vintage games on steam, or various steam sales where you can get games, that are incredibly fun with much larger fanbases than this game presently has for far less money.

This is beyond the tipping point for me. When I first bought into MWO it was with the understanding that we'd be waging wars over various planets, with territory control. That I'd be rolling and cruising along in my Timberwolf, and Mad Dog. I became a mechwarrior fan in the 90s, when I got Mechwarrior 2 for the Playstation. I was ALL about the Clans. Yeah that's right. I was a die hard clanner. Even at the start of this game.

And now? You won't catch me dead buying these mech packages. Not until A: the price comes down significantly and B: we start getting features that we were promised well back in Closed Beta that would be available allegedly in Open Beta. Here we are Post Launch.

I have bought, a Dragonslayer, a Fang, and Flame. I bought the Overlord Pack with the understanding that eventually I'd be running in an Assault Mech besides the Victor, and that I wanted the Thunderbolt something terrible.

Not One More Dime.

Not just no to this pack. But because of this pack and what it represents, Not One More Dime Period. Not until we start getting what we were promised. We've stepped up to the challenge each and every time. most of my buddies that play this game, are eager to do so. And Not One Of Us is going to spend that kind of cash on this game from here on.

It's your turn PGI to start living up to your promises.

For crying out loud you're running the game on Cry Engine 3... and yet still running on DX9..not 11...not even 10...but NINE.

To quote my FRR persona. "we're being invaded! Oh my god they have superior mechs to us!"
And my Response to these "clans" .. " It's Tuesday already? I'll put them down like the others"

Edited by Mavairo, 14 December 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Zanathan]

Given the mechs will be released in June, I assume CW will be out by then or is that too optimistic?

I would wager we'll get more mechs to play with and no features ....

[Aaron45]

Zanathan, on 14 December 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Given the mechs will be released in June, I assume CW will be out by then or is that too optimistic?

I would wager we'll get more mechs to play with and no features ....

Optimistic.

Rule1: Never trust pgi´s promises.
Rule2: Never take Pgi by their word
Rule3: Never give Pgi a Debt.

[Wired]

Roadbeer, on 14 December 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Nerdragers, "WHERE'S THE CLAN STUFF!!!!!56!!!"
PGI, "Ok, here you go, here's your Clan info"
Nerdragers, "GAAHHHHH, WHY SO EXPENSIVE (even though it's basically the same deal as PP) MAAAAA, CASH GRAB, GAHHHHH YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!!!8!!!7!!!!! DOOM!!!65!!!!!"

Nice goal post moving there. And nice to see that you are ignoring the core problem with this, and that is monetizing clans before we even have CW or UI 2.0. Anyone who takes the time to read the posts here will see that is the actual problem. We want CW. We want UI 2.0. We want an improved gameplay experience before we go shotgunning random balancing acts into the game.

In a post elsewhere, you had made the broad claim that you only post such stinging remarks when people are using a bad argument. Stepping in like this dispels the legitimate of that claim. You are just adding to the noise which drones out the legitimate concerns.

[Stunner]

I'm glad to see Clans make an entrance even though I'm an IS pilot myself I want the chance to shoot at clanners. I do have a few questions though. Are we going to get to mix Clan mechs and IS mechs no matter what faction we are? Shouldn't only clan factions have clan mechs for the initial invasion? I would sure hope so but there are many folks that have been waiting for clans all this time what happens to them many of them have IS mechs what happens to them? If the mechs are delivered early then is that when the invasion begins or will CW not be in yet and it's just mech vs mechs in battle? The balancing seems interesting but they are right that they can't force the clan battle rules so they have to balance it somehow. For those that are saying the prices are too high the $240 package seems fair. If you don't think so go to Star Citizen and see how many folks paid $250 for one ship some folks have dumped thousands into that game. Since I've been burned in this game I purchased a smaller package in Star Citizen but again 1 ship for $80. Be happy with what you are getting for $240. My fear though is that the purchase won't mean anything but will be IS players playing in Clan mechs.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

The idea that gold mechs would be fired upon by their own teammates is silly and unfortunate. I feel the frustration should be pointed at PGI not the people who care to support them. Some have grown frustrated with the lack of core features in the game that just feel necessary to really propel this game forward... there are others who want to support that effort because they believe... it's like saying its acceptable to team kill founders, phoenix, or hero mechs because those were choices of some people to try to keep this company afloat.

I have hoped that putting money into the game makes me a voice worth listening to. I love this game. If I had all the money in the world I might just buy the gold mechs. I want this game to succeed. I want the clans to be a part of the game... I just want that there be a system for the clans to invade... the main game (IS vs IS or what have you) still hasn't even been figured out.

[Odins Fist]

Wired, on 14 December 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Nice goal post moving there. And nice to see that you are ignoring the core problem with this, and that is monetizing clans before we even have CW or UI 2.0. Anyone who takes the time to read the posts here will see that is the actual problem. We want CW. We want UI 2.0. We want an improved gameplay experience before we go shotgunning random balancing acts into the game.

In a post elsewhere, you had made the broad claim that you only post such stinging remarks when people are using a bad argument. Stepping in like this dispels the legitimate of that claim. You are just adding to the noise which drones out the legitimate concerns.

Somebody just got dunked on...

[smokefield]

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All I can do is ask: how much would you be willing to pay for the highest tier package? With the game in its current state, I wouldn't buy it for 10 dollars.

this is a good question. I bought pheonix because i want this game to succeed and I missed the founder because of rl problems. So i did kept my promise to myself and invested in the games that i like because its fair. But I am expecting from the developers..I am expecting them to do what they promise and make a game, a real one, and its not coming yet. You can't ask money again based on the same promises you asked last time. You need to provide something new and only AFTER you can ask so much money again.

at this moment i would buy top package for 50$ IF PGI COMES FORWARD AND TELLS US ...GUYS, SORRY WE NEED TO DO THIS AGAIN BUT WE NEED MORE FUNDS. HERE'S A PACKAGE, WE WANT YOU TE HELP US AND WE WILL OFFER THIS DEAL SO EVERYONE GETS SOMETHING. not the milking they are doing now !

as a side note i saw somewhere someoen telling us that keeping a small size company of software can cost you from 10k to 100k PER DAY. just 2 words...fuchs off and dont ******** ppl. there are soem that work in this area and know better.

[Ngamok]

Victor Morson, on 14 December 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

You missed the point.

He's not mad they are selling 'mechs.

He's mad they are selling 'mechs instead of making a game.

No, he's crying about prices and selling mechs instead of the game but we already know the art department is ahead of the the other guys.

[Roadbeer]

Wired, on 14 December 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Nice goal post moving there. And nice to see that you are ignoring the core problem with this, and that is monetizing clans before we even have CW or UI 2.0. Anyone who takes the time to read the posts here will see that is the actual problem. We want CW. We want UI 2.0. We want an improved gameplay experience before we go shotgunning random balancing acts into the game.

In a post elsewhere, you had made the broad claim that you only post such stinging remarks when people are using a bad argument. Stepping in like this dispels the legitimate of that claim. You are just adding to the noise which drones out the legitimate concerns.

Nah dude, I agree with all that, and there is 6 months between now and when this pack is released so, if this is live before that, I'll be right there with you.

However, we aren't there yet, we're 6 months away from there. But everyone is acting like this goes live tomorrow. And your own comment about this "Monetizing Clans" holds about as much water as saying they "Monetized the Phoenix Pack". What they're doing is no different than the other packs sold before. This just has a little sticker shock with it (Even though it's about the same deal that you got with PP). Nothing is being monetized, and I'm certain that the mechs will be CBill-able as well, so it's no different than any other Hero/Phoenix deal.

Not sure what you're all in a tizzy about because all I hear is :
"The Mech I want is too expensive to buy, and I'm too entitled and impatient to wait for the CBill version"
"The Game is DOOMED even though I don't have all (or any) of the facts yet"
"PGI asshurt me in the past so I still hold a grudge"

So, on the whole, this meets my criteria.