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[Nekki Basara]

Since you had already edited your post couldn't you have edited that in instead of double posting? Poor form.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

MasterC, on 11 February 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

On Vlog #2, February 11th, 2014, David stated that "our plan and vision is that, if we balance the clan ‘mechs right, then an individual clan ‘mech is going to be equally powerful and viable to an inner sphere mech, just different…"

My question then is this, if the clan mechs are not going to be better than inner sphere mechs, just different, why then are clan mechs 50% more expensive?

IE, the Phoenix Overlord package which came with 12 mechs cost $80 but the comparable clan package, the Daishi collection, is $120.

This inexplicable price difference is keeping me from purchasing a clan package.

Almost every clan 'mech comes equipped with an XL engine, DHS, and either Endo-steel or Ferro Fibrous armor (or both).

STD engine IS 'mechs cost approximately 34.8 MC/ton and XL engine IS 'mechs cost approximately 53.9 MC/ton.

The Overlord Phoenix Package was 675 tons of 'mechs (which included one XL engine variant), with a current purchase cost of 24255 MC for $80 (332 MC/$). (Not including all the silly trinkets.)

The Daishi Package is 750 tons of 'mechs, all of which have XL engines, with an estimated MC value of 40460 (based on 53.9 MC/ton for an XL IS variant) for $120, an estimated 337 MC/$. (Not including all the silly trinkets.)

Also, this:

Lindonius, on 11 February 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

... Because there are a lot of people who love the Clan chassis and PGI knows that they will pay through the nose to have one, ...

Edited by Kageru Ikazuchi, 12 February 2014 - 02:29 AM.

[poopenshire]

I ordered my Masakari Collection and I did not see the $80 in MC credit listed anywhere in that collection. Does someone have any post showing this or screen cap of this. Its a nice add on to have but I never saw it as part of the $240 collection

[BLOOD WOLF]

gonna get, the timber wolf,summoner and kit fox so that's about 135, not bad, its a fair price.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 12 February 2014 - 05:22 AM.

[Cavendish]

poopenshire, on 12 February 2014 - 05:04 AM, said:

I ordered my Masakari Collection and I did not see the $80 in MC credit listed anywhere in that collection. Does someone have any post showing this or screen cap of this. Its a nice add on to have but I never saw it as part of the $240 collection

It was for the founder packs in mists of history, I dont think any pack since have included MC.

[verybad]

Kind of glad they made content so overpriced for what you get. It knocked me out of my Battltech purchase anything haze.

Variants on mechs are produced as vastly reduced cost to PGI. It's not like you're getting 24 different mechs. You're getting 8 mechs with 3 different load outs each. 30 bucks each. The variants all walk the same, they look almost exactly the same. The differences will be in what you can put on them. They're NOT different mechs. They just split th OMNI part about in order to make more money.

[Pando]

Nekki Basara, on 11 February 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

Since you had already edited your post couldn't you have edited that in instead of double posting? Poor form.

Fine, i'll bite. Troll on.

The first post was to address the inaccuracy of the replied post. The second post was my "feedback" which is what this thread has been created for.

Your post, as is this one a complete waste of forum space...which is "poor form" agreed?

[Nekki Basara]

Double posting. No brainer there.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Pando, on 11 February 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

This is completely wrong. You've not evaluated the entire value of the clan package. I'll break it down for you using your provided consistent and in-game cost medians.

1) Assume we use 217 MC = $1, which is the most popular level of MC purchase.
2) Assume regarding premium time metric;

1 day: 250 MC
3 days: 650 MC
7 days: 1,250 MC
30 days: 2,500 MC
180 days: 13,500 MC
360 days: 24,000 MC

3) Assume mechbay cost is: 300 MC
4) Assume average cost of "cockpit item" is : 500 MC


**** The following is a detailed list of packaged items broken down by monetary value. ****


Founders package - $120

1) champion 100 tonner, 4685 MC
1) champion 65 tonner, 2790 MC
1) champion 50 tonner, 1800 MC
1) champion 35 tonner, 1450 MC
1) 90 days premium, 7500 MC
4) mechbays, 1200 MC
1) cockpit item, 500 MC
MC total of above = 19,925 MC / 217 = ($91.82)
$80 in-game MC, ($80)

total value of package = $171.82


Overlord package - $80 (non-early bird)

1) champion 85 tonner, 3815 MC
1) champion 65 tonner, 2790 MC
1) champion 55 tonner, 2000 MC
1) champion 20 tonner, 1200 MC
2) reg 85 tonner, 5935 MC
2) reg 65 tonner, 4415 MC
2) reg 55 tonner, 5015 MC
2) reg 20 tonner, 1200 MC
1) 90 days premium time, 7500 MC
4) hanging cockpit items, 2000 MC
12) mechbays, 3600 MC
MC total of above = 35,869 / 217 = ($165.29)

total value of package = 165.29


Clan Masakari Collection Package

1) champion 100 tonner, 4685 MC
1) champion 85 tonner, 3815 MC
1) champion 75 tonner, 3030 MC
1) champion 70 tonner, 2875 MC
1) champion 55 tonner, 2000 MC
1) champion 50 tonner, 1800 MC
1) champion 35 tonner, 1450 MC
2) reg 100 tonner, 8000 MC
2) reg 85 tonner, 6000 MC
2) reg 75 tonner, 5000 MC
2) reg 70 tonner, 4600 MC
2) reg 55 tonner, 3600 MC
2) reg 50 tonner, 3000 MC
2) reg 35 tonner, 1200 MC
1) 90 days premium time, 7500 MC
4) cockpit items, 2000 MC
4) bonus modules, (none to go by, 500 MC) 2000 MC
8) warhorns (valued @cockpit item, 500MC), 4000 MC
12) mechbays, 3600 MC

MC total of above = 70,155 / 217 = ($323.29)

total value of package = 323.29 (** note, this will change when MC purchase prices are ironed out and will likely be much larger)


You're welcome.

Keep going; compare apples to apples and look at the Daishi package. The Daishi package is the direct comparable and you'll still see an approximate 50% price hike even when factoring in the higher tonnage of the Daishi package Mechs. Actually here, I'll do it for you.

Daishi Package $120

1 champion 100 tonner = 4685
1 chamption 70 tonner = 2875
1 champion 50 tonner = 1800
1 champion 30 tonner = 1235
2 reg 100 tonner = 8646
2 reg 70 tonner = 5370
2 reg 50 tonner = 3824
2 reg 30 tonner = 2026
60 days premium time = 5000
12 mechbays = 3600

MC total = 39,061 / 217 = $180.

And seeing as you averaged out the costs of the regular Mechs incorrectly, I'll redo the Overlord package and use the same guestimates you did for 20 and 55 ton Champion mechs.

Overlord Package $80

1 champion 85 tonner = 3185
1 champion 65 tonner = 2790
1 champion 55 tonner = 2000
1 champion 20 tonner = 1200
2 regular 85 tonners = 6441
2 regular 65 tonners = 4646
2 regular 55 tonners = 4105
2 regular 20 tonners = 1276
90 days premium time = 7500
hanging cockpit items = 2000
12 mechbays = 3600

MC total = 39,373 / 217 = $181.44

Your analysis is also incorrect in other ways; the Masakari collection you get 24 mechbays. Making up the MC cost of the bonus modules and warhorns likely won't affect your analysis that much, but the numbers you used are as useful as a unicorn fart. As well, the Kit Fox is 30 tonnes.

So, despite your asinine and condescending accusation that I'm wrong and should be thanking you for your analysis, the framework you used doesn't disprove what I originally posted

Overlord package was $80 for $181.44 worth of value
Daishi package is $120 for $180 worth of value

Let me spell out what this means. Costs increased 50% for a 0.8% decrease in value.... hmm and that seems like a good deal to you? Wake up to reality; these Clan prices are nothing but a blatant cash grab.

Don't try and stupidly use the Masakari collection which offers a completely different amount of mechs and bonus materials to try and sway the analysis. If you were right, the analysis would stand on its own.

You're welcome!

Pando, on 11 February 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

For the record, I believe the clan packages are better than previous deals. I will enjoy my Masakari collection.

Probably because you aren't great at math.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 12 February 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 12 February 2014 - 02:00 AM, said:

Almost every clan 'mech comes equipped with an XL engine, DHS, and either Endo-steel or Ferro Fibrous armor (or both).

STD engine IS 'mechs cost approximately 34.8 MC/ton and XL engine IS 'mechs cost approximately 53.9 MC/ton.

The Overlord Phoenix Package was 675 tons of 'mechs (which included one XL engine variant), with a current purchase cost of 24255 MC for $80 (332 MC/$). (Not including all the silly trinkets.)

The Daishi Package is 750 tons of 'mechs, all of which have XL engines, with an estimated MC value of 40460 (based on 53.9 MC/ton for an XL IS variant) for $120, an estimated 337 MC/$. (Not including all the silly trinkets.)

Let me spell this out for you; xl engines, double heatsinks and endo-steel structure have NEVER BEFORE been used as a justification for higher cash prices in per-order packages.

Mechs, regardless of tonnage and equipment, have all been priced the same in pre-order packages that have come before.

Using this as an excuse to raise the cash prices of the Clan packages is so stupid that it actually made me laugh out loud when I read that Russ Bullock had the audacity to use this as an excuse for the price increase.

The exchange rate between real world cash and MC is fluid and set by PGI; it isn't something that is set in stone and binds PGI's abilities to set cash prices.

These Clan prices are nothing but a blatant cash grab.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 12 February 2014 - 01:00 PM.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 12 February 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

Let me spell this out for you; xl engines, double heatsinks and endo-steel structure have NEVER BEFORE been used as a justification for higher cash prices in per-order packages.

PGI has not made that justification, I have ... but it does (kind of) make sense. And, it has never before been used because, with exception of the SHD-5M, none of the pre-order 'mechs had them.

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The exchange rate between real world cash and MC is fluid and set by PGI; it isn't something that is set in stone and binds PGI's abilities to set cash prices.

With the exception of two MC sales, ever, the price for MC has not changed.

I spent $110 on the Phoenix Package, but I also spent about 300 games grinding up the 40+ million C-Bills necessary to make them viable 'mechs. The biggest costs there were installing DHS, endo-steel, and replacing the engines. You don't have to do that with Clan 'mechs. When they do come out for MC and CB purchase, are we going to have this same argument again?

Pre-order, like MC purchases, is pay for convenience (grind less) and exclusivity (getting stuff before others can, or insignificant stuff that others don't have). If you want the 'mechs early, or don't want to spend the time to grind the C-Bills to buy them, then it might be a good deal for some people.

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These Clan prices are nothing but a blatant cash grab.

You don't like it, don't buy it. All convenience purchases are "cash grabs".

[Pando]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 12 February 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

Keep going; compare apples to apples and look at the Daishi package. The Daishi package is the direct comparable and you'll still see an approximate 50% price hike even when factoring in the higher tonnage of the Daishi package Mechs. Actually here, I'll do it for you.

Daishi Package $120

1 champion 100 tonner = 4685
1 chamption 70 tonner = 2875
1 champion 50 tonner = 1800
1 champion 30 tonner = 1235
2 reg 100 tonner = 8646
2 reg 70 tonner = 5370
2 reg 50 tonner = 3824
2 reg 30 tonner = 2026
60 days premium time = 5000
12 mechbays = 3600

MC total = 39,061 / 217 = $180.

And your analysis is partially incorrect; in the Masakari collection you get 24 mechbays. Making up the MC cost of the bonus modules and warhorns likely won't affect your analysis that much, but the numbers you used are as useful as a unicorn fart. As well, the Kit Fox is 30 tonnes. You also averaged out the MC costs of the regular Mechs incorrectly.

So, despite your asinine and condescending accusation that I'm wrong and should be thanking you for your analysis, the framework you used doesn't disprove what I originally posted

Overlord package was $80 for $165 worth of value (using your methodology)
Daishi package is $120 for $169.68 worth of value (using your methodology)

(when I correctly averaged out the MC costs of the mechs, the Daishi package provides $180 in value)

Let me spell out what this means. Costs went up 50%, for an additional 2.8% in value (additional 9% using correct numbers).... hmm and that seems like a good deal to you? Wake up to reality; these Clan prices are nothing but a blatant cash grab.

Don't try and stupidly use the Masakari collection which offers a completely different amount of mechs and bonus materials to try and sway the analysis. If you were right, the analysis should stand on its own.

You're welcome.



Probably because you aren't great at math.

Well, how about you use your superb math skills to figure out how much the Masakari collection is worth taking into comparison the maximum tier of previous packages, then ascertain if it is "on-par" with the previous packages.

You're still incorrect.

Question for you Einstein, considering most clan battlemechs come with either endo/ferro + DHS + XL engines + clan weaponry, how does that compare to the inner-sphere overlord package that was almost entirely of non-upgraded battlemechs (Majority standard engines, no endo, no ferro, no DHS, no artemis ect)?

I believe the answer to that question is your numbers are as useful as a unicorn's queef and on that note

#Yourewelcome


* PS, Canadian Beaver sorry if I left some things out initially. I've been really busy counting my money. As it turns out, I'm pretty kickass at math.

Edited by Pando, 12 February 2014 - 01:45 PM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 12 February 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

PGI has not made that justification, I have ... but it does (kind of) make sense. And, it has never before been used because, with exception of the SHD-5M, none of the pre-order 'mechs had them.


With the exception of two MC sales, ever, the price for MC has not changed.

I spent $110 on the Phoenix Package, but I also spent about 300 games grinding up the 40+ million C-Bills necessary to make them viable 'mechs. The biggest costs there were installing DHS, endo-steel, and replacing the engines. You don't have to do that with Clan 'mechs. When they do come out for MC and CB purchase, are we going to have this same argument again?

Pre-order, like MC purchases, is pay for convenience (grind less) and exclusivity (getting stuff before others can, or insignificant stuff that others don't have). If you want the 'mechs early, or don't want to spend the time to grind the C-Bills to buy them, then it might be a good deal for some people.


You don't like it, don't buy it. All convenience purchases are "cash grabs".

Russ Bullock did use that justification and so have the PGI fanboys.

And yes, other mechs had them in the Sabre package. SHD-5M had DHS/endo/XL engine, WVR-7K & GRF-3M had DHS/XL engines

These are clearly convenience purchases, but that doesn't provide a justification for a 50% price hike over previous "convenience purchases" for no reason.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 12 February 2014 - 02:48 PM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Pando, on 12 February 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

Well, how about you use your superb math skills to figure out how much the Masakari collection is worth taking into comparison the maximum tier of previous packages, then ascertain if it is "on-par" with the previous packages.

You're still incorrect.

Question for you Einstein, considering most clan battlemechs come with either endo/ferro + DHS + XL engines + clan weaponry, how does that compare to the inner-sphere overlord package that was almost entirely of non-upgraded battlemechs (Majority standard engines, no endo, no ferro, no DHS, no artemis ect)?

I believe the answer to that question is your numbers are as useful as a unicorn's queef and on that note

#Yourewelcome


* PS, Canadian Beaver sorry if I left some things out initially. I've been really busy counting my money. As it turns out, I'm pretty kickass at math.

Oh I see, the only way you can make a valid point is to post a bull shit comparison?

The only thing the Overlord and Masakari packages have in common is the amount of premium time included and the coincidence that they are the most expensive tiers offered.

Daishi and Overlord had the same number of mechs, mechbays and approximate tonnage... but hey, let's not use that as a comparison because it inconveniently renders your point wrong.

As for the end/ferro/dhs/xl engines argument, I've addressed this already. If components and tonnage were a valid justification for higher prices then we'd see escalating prices for heavier clan mechs and we would have seen it in previous packages. Obviously this didn't happen. Prices were steady, on a per mech basis, regardless of tonnage, engine and components.

Let me iterate this: the cash to MC exchange rate is not set in stone and does not provide a justification for PGI to pretend they have to set cash prices to reflect higher MC costs. Look at the link in my signature where I broke down the MC costs of the Phoenix mechs available; it's clear the per mech costs in packages has NOTHING to do with MC costs.

If you think you're kickass at math, I sincerely hope you don't have a job that's dependent on those skills.

You're just another smart ass who is either unable to admit they're wrong, afraid of buyer's remorse, or have some emotional investment in this game that leads you to blindly defend it against anyone who dares point out how ridiculous PGI has developed this game; or more likely, all of the above.

[Pando]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 12 February 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Oh I see, the only way you can make a valid point is to post a bull shit comparison?

The only thing the Overlord and Masakari packages have in common is the amount of premium time included and the coincidence that they are the most expensive tiers offered.

Daishi and Overlord had the same number of mechs, mechbays and approximate tonnage... but hey, let's not use that as a comparison because it inconveniently renders your point wrong.

As for the end/ferro/dhs/xl engines argument, I've addressed this already. If components and tonnage were a valid justification for higher prices then we'd see escalating prices for heavier clan mechs and we would have seen it in previous packages. Obviously this didn't happen. Prices were steady, on a per mech basis, regardless of tonnage, engine and components.

Let me iterate this: the cash to MC exchange rate is not set in stone and does not provide a justification for PGI to pretend they have to set cash prices to reflect higher MC costs. Look at the link in my signature where I broke down the MC costs of the Phoenix mechs available; it's clear the per mech costs in packages has NOTHING to do with MC costs.

If you think you're kickass at math, I sincerely hope you don't have a job that's dependent on those skills.

You're just another smart ass who is either unable to admit they're wrong, afraid of buyer's remorse, or have some emotional investment in this game that leads you to blindly defend it against anyone who dares point out how ridiculous PGI has developed this game; or more likely, all of the above.

Companies will charge what they want for the product they produce. Your MC prices for overlord items are in-game and you can see purchasing for "X" in a package instead of purchasing for "Y" individually "saved" you "Z" dollars if you were going to purchase each regardless. We don't have values for clan battlemechs now do we, so suffice to say an accurate comparison is impossible. Until we have numbers you can only speculate.

I'll address the "it's a cash grab" with "it's a business" and be on my merry way.

How about you walk up to Pepsi and educate them on their price differences and how canned soda equates to "cash grab" and bottled soda equates to "normal costs" then see how far that gets you.

Edited by Pando, 12 February 2014 - 02:24 PM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Pando, on 12 February 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Companies will charge what they want for the product they produce. Your MC prices for overlord items are in-game and you can see purchasing for "X" in a package instead of purchasing for "Y" individually "saved" you "Z" dollars if you were going to purchase each regardless. We don't have values for clan battlemechs now do we, so suffice to say an accurate comparison is impossible. Until we have numbers you can only speculate.

I'll address the "it's a cash grab" with "it's a business" and be on my merry way.

How about you walk up to Pepsi and educate them on their price differences and how canned soda equates to "cash grab" and bottled soda equates to "normal costs" then see how far that gets you.

We can agree that PGI can and will charge what they want for their product; no argument there. I recognize this is a business; they are in it to make money. I dabble in monetization strategies so F2P games and their business models are very interesting to me.

I don't have values for clan mechs, nor do we need them to see there is implicitly the same relationship between tonnage, engines and components that exists in previous packages. Explicitly, the MC costs of the Phoenix mechs available individually shows us the relationship between package costs, MC costs and C-Bills costs is fluid.

The difference between me walking up to pepsi and taking your suggestion is that pepsi isn't trying to charge 50% more because the same volume soda is in a different container.

[Tombstoner]

Lupus Aurelius, on 16 December 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

Side Note: Roadbeer and Sandpit are sophists, and will play with words to achieve their ends. They present doxa as dogma, and dogma as doxa. Some of us are stoics, and prefer to actually work with logos, and dogma as informed by logos. They work with metis, and espouse doxa.

So don't feed the trolls.

Someone has had a weee bit too much philosophy during there time in school. careful or it will rot your brain.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 12 February 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

The difference between me walking up to pepsi and taking your suggestion is that pepsi isn't trying to charge 50% more because the same volume soda is in a different container.

I don't drink Pepsi, but ... If I buy individual cans out of the machine or at a convenience store, they would cost me about a dollar. It takes about six of those cans to make one 2-liter bottle. If I buy that 2-liter bottle at a grocery store, it would cost me about two dollars (rather than six for the individual cans).

If I bought the individual can, I would be paying for the convenience of having a fresh single-serving.

Anyhow ... back to the 'mechs ...

Canadian Attack Beaver, on 12 February 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Russ Bullock did use that justification and so have the PGI fanboys.

link please ... I'm guessing this was on twitter (which I don't do)?

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And yes, other mechs had them in the Sabre package.

I was only comparing the Overlord Package to the Daishi Package, and average cost per 'mech. Since we don't yet have the MC or C-Bill prices for the Saber Package, I didn't include that in the calculations.

If you don't comprehend that the C-Bill purchase cost in game is directly related to the equipment installed in the stock 'mech, and the MC cost is directly related to the C-Bill Cost (250 C-Bills to 1 MC), and that the pre-order cost might be related to the C-Bill cost and MC cost in game (about 30 million C-bills for a Dire Wolf ... more than twice as expensive as the most expensive 'mech currently in the game), then there's really no point going on.

PGI has given us a choice ... spend real money to get the 'mechs at a discount and early, and get some other insignificant trinkets, or wait and pay C-Bills (or MC) to get them later. I'm actually starting to convince myself that I don't want to grind 100 million C-Bills to pay for a set of Daishi. (And, no, I haven't bought any of the Clan Packages yet ... I'm waiting to see what comes now that U.I. 2.0 is "released".)

[verybad]

Of course people are free to pay $240.00 for 8 mechs, and I won't judge them on their choice. However I think PGI is reducing the overall pool of players, because less and less players are going to pay the rates that they're asking. I've been a Battlemech adict for like 25 years, but PGI just isn't making me want to play, let alone pay any mroe than I already have.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Kageru Ikazuchi, on 12 February 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't drink Pepsi, but ... If I buy individual cans out of the machine or at a convenience store, they would cost me about a dollar. It takes about six of those cans to make one 2-liter bottle. If I buy that 2-liter bottle at a grocery store, it would cost me about two dollars (rather than six for the individual cans).

If I bought the individual can, I would be paying for the convenience of having a fresh single-serving.

Anyhow ... back to the 'mechs ...


link please ... I'm guessing this was on twitter (which I don't do)?


I was only comparing the Overlord Package to the Daishi Package, and average cost per 'mech. Since we don't yet have the MC or C-Bill prices for the Saber Package, I didn't include that in the calculations.

If you don't comprehend that the C-Bill purchase cost in game is directly related to the equipment installed in the stock 'mech, and the MC cost is directly related to the C-Bill Cost (250 C-Bills to 1 MC), and that the pre-order cost might be related to the C-Bill cost and MC cost in game (about 30 million C-bills for a Dire Wolf ... more than twice as expensive as the most expensive 'mech currently in the game), then there's really no point going on.

PGI has given us a choice ... spend real money to get the 'mechs at a discount and early, and get some other insignificant trinkets, or wait and pay C-Bills (or MC) to get them later. I'm actually starting to convince myself that I don't want to grind 100 million C-Bills to pay for a set of Daishi. (And, no, I haven't bought any of the Clan Packages yet ... I'm waiting to see what comes now that U.I. 2.0 is "released".)

The comment was here on the 2013 State of the Inner Sphere comment:

http://mwomercs.com/...e-inner-sphere/

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With the Clan packages you are paying what equates to $30 per prime variant. But remember our pricing of MC in MWO has a relationship between MC and CB costs. Clan Technology is significantly more expensive, and is reflected in the package pricing.

You seem to be unable to grasp the point I’m making. Let me spell this out for you.

There is a relationship we’ve seen in game:
Higher tonnage, XL engines, components increase C-bill costs
Increased C-bill costs lead to an increase in MC costs

Nobody is disputing this and it makes sense.

However, we’ve seen two pre-orders where this relationship isn’t held to. Phoenix and Sabre Mechs both had prices set regardless of tonnage, engines and components. From this, it’s clear that the tonnage-engine-component / C-Bill / MC relationship isn’t static. Even within the Clan packages themselves we see that tonnage doesn’t factor into the per Mech costs. Look at the link in my signature if you want to see a comparison of Phoenix/Sabre MC costs compared to the MC costs of the Mechs individually and also compared to Clan costs.

But now Russ Bullock is saying PGI is adhering to the tonnage-engine-component / C-Bill / MC relationship to set Clan prices? Why? Real world dollar cost is not set by the imaginary costs of something in a fictional universe.

Look at my response to Pando if you want to see an apples to apples comparison between the Overlord and Daishi packages, which are the most similar. There is similar value in terms of MC cost in both packages (factoring in tonnage, perks, etc.), yet the Daishi package costs 50% more. Why? Does XL engines/DHS/endo on 8 non-prime variants, less perks and less premium time justify a $40 price hike? Good luck convincing a rational person who isn’t a mechwarrior fanboy of that.

And you’re right, this is a choice to buy some Mechs earlier for convenience and get some perks thrown in. What’s turned me off is the inconsistent pricing; I bought the Overlord and Sabre packs because I saw good value in them; I don’t see good value in a 50% premium for the Clan Mechs especially when you factor in fewer perks and premium time.

I sincerely doubt I’m the only one who is incredulous over this price hike. PGI was quick to add in a la carte options after people were vocal about the Clan announcement. The social rewards counter has been very slowly increasing; it was at 45% for a few weeks and has been at 50% for at least a couple weeks now. People are not buying these packages; there are either a lot of people like you waiting to see, or a lot of people like me shaking their head at the blatant cash grab on the fan favourite Clan Mechs. This isn’t even discussing the fact that there hasn’t been a shred of real content added to this game… ever.

But hey, to each their own. I’m happy if I can show a single person that these packages are not a good value and are, in fact, a complete and utter ripoff.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 13 February 2014 - 10:32 AM.