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[Hoaggie]

Noth, on 13 December 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

You wait till it gets released for Cbills. Cranted I do think they should allow purchases of single mech packages.

I would drop $30 for a Thor, but not for an Uller

[RamsoPanzer]

I guess they still didnt make anything, they just decided yesterday which clans mechs to design at first and just lauched a package.

[Almond Brown]

Torrn, on 13 December 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

could not agree more. They had it right there... And fumble in a way hard to imagine ...

Dude, remember, the guy you backed had bad optics on the situation.

[Torrn]

I am hitting refresh in my browser right now, an this threads has like a post per second... Well at least they woke up the community continue shitstorm please. high entertainment value!

[Davers]

Almond Brown, on 13 December 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

I would love to see your numbers.

Meant to say 'good revenue model'. There are very few items to spend money on. Honestly, you could buy every Hero mech, Phoenix/Saber, Founder, all the paint and all the cockpit items for under $1000. I know people who spend hundreds of dollars a month on silly games like Candy Crush and Farmville. You really CANNOT be a 'whale' in MW:O. There just isn't enough stuff to buy.

[L Y N X]

Almond Brown, on 13 December 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

I know right? The guy that came to my House and scared me into buying these packages was not lawful surely. I was compelled beyond my control.

Get a grip son. Or more sunshine, whatever works for you.

Thats the best you can do?

[Noth]

Madara Uchiha, on 13 December 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Maybe so but they are asking 500 for one ******* mech now...i think the commuinty as wised up enough to know this is a freaking desperate cash grab. 80bucks was reasonable..hell 120 i can jusitify but 250 or 500?? hell no, no way.

Chances are the 500 dollar mechs will not sell well. The packages however likely will. That 240 dollar package comes out to 10 dollar per mech (same as the phoenix mechs) plus premium and all the other little things.

Edited by Noth, 13 December 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Screech]

Seems to be getting easier to say no, sadly.

Edited by Screech, 13 December 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Almond Brown]

GizmoGecko, on 13 December 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

I'm not excited about clans, or community warfare, or dx11 anymore... I'm excited as to how they'll be responding to 'justify' this. Could've at least made it like the founders and allowed people to choose their 'mechs from selected groups depending on the price, instead of this ridiculous climb from light to assault scheme.

Justify what? You being so tight you squeak or some other factor... It is a F2P game after all.

[Chronojam]

Nunspa, on 13 December 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Hold the door...

1) no DX 11

2) no UI 2.0

3) no CW

and oh.. but hold on.. ya.. BMM (Buy More Mechs!)

[redacted] PGI

no wait.... maybe I'm being too hard on you all.. no, no I'm not.. WTF

I spent my money on Phoenix in the hopes that you all would have added more things for all of us before clans...

I have a feeling you are milking us and plan to let the game die.. no CW or UI 2.0

you are not getting one dime before I see something happen..

god I feel ripped off

You forgot "no VOIP so they had to use NGNG's teamspeak 3 servers at their launch event" in your list.

[Torrn]

Almond Brown, on 13 December 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Justify what? You being so tight you squeak or some other factor... It is a F2P game after all.

Its a F2P game financed by the people in this thread...

Edited by Torrn, 13 December 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[WM Atimar]

CW New U.I .. at least 3-4 new maps and 3-4 more game modes and I'll buy.. right now its way to bad a risk to purchase this Package IMO

[Mystere]

That was fast!

[NRP]

All joking aside, here's a dilemma. I'm actually stupid enough to buy a $500 mech. However, without playing it first, how will I know if I'll like it? And how do I know that future "balancing" passes won't screw it up? This is always a risk with $30 hero mechs, but not a huge concern in the grand scheme of things. However, a $500 mech? That's just an obscene amount of money. I would need some assurances from PGI that my "half a grand" investment won't be neutered by a future lameass change like ghost heat or the neutered gauss firing mechanic.

[Dihm]

So, my once ~300 person strong group which had a MULTITUDE of drop channels full at all hours of the day is down to a handful, if that, during "prime time" on average because this game is the EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

No, wait, it isn't. You've gone back on promises you made explicitly to us when we funded your ******** game.

Oh yeah, and you haven't bothered to deliver on all your other promises, so you don't get a ******** dime.

Don't worry though, we're all on an island, we're the vocal minority right guys? Get a ******** clue.

To quote someone who said it better than I could:

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i) We were told before we gave them our founders money ($120 in my case) that all of the big talking features on their website would be in game prior to open beta, with the exception of community warfare that would come within 90 days of open beta. What was actually delivered from the list on that timeline? Mechs, a map and a wildly overpowered ECM.

ii) This was even with a delay of ~ 2 months longer in closed beta because fundamental hit detection still wasn't working and the game just was not ready for the light of day. Even without hit detection/host state rewind working they still crammed it out the door.

iii) Around March 2013 (150 days after open beta, still no CW) when HSR/hit detection was finally getting nailed down the creative director stated in an interview at GDC that CW would be coming in 3 phases up to launch. This seemed to confirm they were making progress even if they weren't talking about it. This led a lot of people to plunk down money on Phoenix mech packs to support their continued work (another $80 in my case). Fast forward to now, 2.5 months after launch and ~410 days after CW was supposed to be in and we find out they hadn't actually started working on CW until after launch.....

iv) Coolant flushes.. after repeatedly saying they wouldn't do coolant flushes since it would invalidate their heat management system that they had worked so hard to get 'just right... cough' they came out with plans to release a clearly P2W coolant module (24 heat in 1 slot for real money, compared to 18+6 in 2 slots for cbills). They rightfully backpedaled on the P2W aspect by making the MC version exactly equivalent to the 18 cbill version, but still this was a whipsaw on a fundamental game design facet that shook some trust and ripened the community for....

v) 3pv.... after marketing the game as a 1pv game and a 'sim' in all their interviews and even on their own homepage going back to 2012, they shoehorned in 3pv despite ~90% opposition on the forums with many thousands of votes


vi) Unprofessional community management from both IGP and PGI including people like Niko snow saying 'it's true, I eat unicorns', telling players with concerns about the direction of the game that they are on an island and that the game is in the best state it's ever been


vii) (incidentally this 'best state ever' plus 3 months of development time more netted them a craptastic metacritic score from professional reviewers. Penut gallery rates it slightly more craptastic despite shills insisting positive vote flooding is needed to offset a 'small minority of people' who think the game is mediocre.

edit viii) Continued petty bait and switch has continued right up past launch with things like advertising an exclusive cammo pattern to people who buy into phoenix


Rather than make good on the exclusive they decided to sell it to everyone and just changed the image to read 'Hot rod' rather than 'exclusive' all of 5 days before the mechs and cammo actually came out. Yeah I know this is a petty quibble, but it makes it all the more petty of them that they baited and switched on it.
Basically if you have been a founder from day 1 and you don't like being treated like a consumer *****/*****/chump then you are quite bitter. Some people around here will swear that this is a normal chain of events and anyone who wants the devs to actually deliver on what they told us to expect at any previous point in the development process (while they were taking our money) is 'entitled'. Spectralthunder rightly points out that we don't know why all of these things are being done so yes it could be Kelly Zmak dicking the project over at every turn, I would say that on an individual level it doesn't matter why the bait+switches are happening. I'm just upset that I have been serially taken for a fool by giving money to the MWO project.

[Autobot9000]

My game just crashed on the first match FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ALL THE WAY

[Chronojam]

Sephlock, on 13 December 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Nor is what the unique module does.

For that price it had better be eternal cool shot or something...

Impossible -- PGI said they would not introduce coolant flush, and would never introduce cash-money booster items like this "cool shot" surely would be. It was a design pillar!

[Almond Brown]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 13 December 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

LOL microsofts Innersphear and Clan packs were only 15$ a piece!! LOLLOLOL "Microsoft did it better™"
Way to go PGI, please... Keep on proving me right.

All you care about is money.

Yup, 2007 prices versus 2013, Genius! Really!

[Blo0dGusHeR]

COrrection, the microsoft innersphear and clan packs were 12.99 a piece! LOLOLOL

[Ryvucz]

Dmon, on 13 December 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Hmmm.. Gold 'Mech, for another $70 and I can pay my rent on my three bedroom house for a month. seems like a very reasonable amount for a few meg of data.

I am actually rather embarrassed about what has become of one of my most loved game IPs. Especially since the BT universe is story driven.. Overpriced death match game, I am so glad I had my doubts from the off and never invested a penny.

Wow, where are you paying rent? I've been paying $1,200 a month. XD