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[Captain Stiffy]

I have never complained about art before, for the most part they do a very good job with the translation...

But the Wolverine does not at all ping me like a Wolverine. I didn't think this was an unseen?

I know what this mech looks like and right away I'm like no that's not a Wolverine that's a big Kintaro or something!









Edit: LOL Notice how the phoenix MWO wolverine has "wolvie" written on it just to remind you!

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 18 December 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

all the PHX mechs are unseen.

That said, I just think it's fugly.

[Carrioncrows]

I think they did a great job with it.

Looks wise.

But as far as the rest, unless you are in a 6R you are punishing your teammates by taking these rubbish mechs. (Griffin & Wolverine.)

Edited by Carrioncrows, 18 December 2013 - 08:26 PM.

[Captain Stiffy]

Carrioncrows, on 18 December 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

I think they did a great job with it.

Looks wise.

But as far as the rest, unless you are in a 6R you are punishing your teammates by taking these rubbish mechs. (Griffin & Wolverine.)

Unfortunately I agree. One of them is left-sided only? And the other I dunno but I certainly don't fear either of them in anything that I play. They look like a fun winnable fight mostly to me.

Also... considering configuration the Wolverine is supposed to have a "gun in hand" which means that it has an arm weapon hardpoint with the hardpoint mounted ABOVE THE HAND! It's not on the side or anything else. One of the advantages should be that it has a "high-arm" hardpoint!!!!

[Bishop Steiner]

Carrioncrows, on 18 December 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

I think they did a great job with it.

Looks wise.

But as far as the rest, unless you are in a 6R you are punishing your teammates by taking these rubbish mechs. (Griffin & Wolverine.)

6R is just a poor man's ShadowHawk. GRF-1S and 3M on the other hand are far more maneuverable, with agility on par with Hunchbacks, superior, actually due to the JJs. Energy and Missiles are not the current Meta, but I'd take a Griffin over a Thunderbolt any day of the week. I can pack pretty similar usable firepower, and way more agility. Only knock really is they seem to get leg damaged fast.

[Captain Stiffy]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

all the PHX mechs are unseen.

If this is true then

WHERE IS MY MARAUDER????
DON'T YOU WANT TO SELL ME A MARAUDER????

[Carrioncrows]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

6R is just a poor man's ShadowHawk. GRF-1S and 3M on the other hand are far more maneuverable, with agility on par with Hunchbacks, superior, actually due to the JJs. Energy and Missiles are not the current Meta, but I'd take a Griffin over a Thunderbolt any day of the week. I can pack pretty similar usable firepower, and way more agility. Only knock really is they seem to get leg damaged fast.

6R is a poor man's Shadowhawk and even the worst shadowhawk is better than this. And this is the best out of all the Variants.

Every single Griffin or Wolverine is 2 hardpoints shy of being worthwhile, and that's just to be on par with the Shadowhawk. You would think that would at least have better hitboxes, being STD friendly to soak damage by being forced to go through the arm -> torso -> then ct, but nope. It's pointless to run a STD engine because your CT is so massive.

Someone is asleep at the wheel when they designed these, frustrating because they look so good and yet the team gets penalized for taking them because the Shadowhawk is so blatantly better it's a travesty.

I am all about fluff and take what you want and what you enjoy but there is a limit when common sense slaps you up side the head. Like taking a Spider-5V in a match. I'm sure it's better than a DC but not by much.

[RickySpanish]

Man I'm looking forward to pounding these faux Shadowhawks with the real deal when I get back from holidays! Heck one alpha to the side torso practically de-commissions the Griffin. Maybe they'll have a use for teams who only want to win occasionally?

[Edustaja]

Captain Stiffy, on 18 December 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

If this is true then

WHERE IS MY MARAUDER????
DON'T YOU WANT TO SELL ME A MARAUDER????

You have harmony gold to thank for that.

[Belorion]

I like the 7K more than my shadowhawks...

It also looks better than the original. The lunchbox is stupid, and the whole concept of the handheld weapons won't really fly with the look of the game. The turret cockpit with antena ears always looked a little funny...

All in all its a much more realistic look than the original. The MWO version looks like it could exist, the original is better suited to cartoons which is where it originated.

[CDLord HHGD]

So far, I like my Griffin and the one match I played in my Wolverine went pretty well too. Just gotta work on optimization. They are here to stay so no sense in griping about it, just gotta make them the best we can. Also, noticed the Griffin was about as tall as a hunchback. Glad it isn't like the long shanks Shawk...

[Hans Von Lohman]

Looks fine to me. I have no idea why the OP thinks this way.

[Ngamok]

Edit you post Captain Stiffy. You are comparing the Phoenix variant with extra geometry.

[Tkhaw]

Captain Stiffy, on 18 December 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

If this is true then

WHERE IS MY MARAUDER????
DON'T YOU WANT TO SELL ME A MARAUDER????

Take the Timberwolf and cut off its missile pods and I think you got a Marauder (minus the shoulder cannon)!

[Karyudo ds]

Captain Stiffy, on 18 December 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Also... considering configuration the Wolverine is supposed to have a "gun in hand" which means that it has an arm weapon hardpoint with the hardpoint mounted ABOVE THE HAND! It's not on the side or anything else. One of the advantages should be that it has a "high-arm" hardpoint!!!!

You're talking purely about the art in which yes, the Blockhead (Dougram) did carry it's "gun" in it's hand. The Battletech rules I remember however didn't support that at all. The hand was considered open and the weapon could not be dropped as it was mounted...but the point of a hand is that it would not need to be mounted.

Either way I'm not sure why you haven't complained about the art, they did this with the Griffin and Battlemaster as well and it's not news now. All of them however do have traces of the FanPro versions of the mechs and those do side mount the weapons as the rules suggested they would have been anyway. Sorry if you were expecting full on anime but personally I always thought it was sad they took things out of Dougram and Macross that closely and didn't even support them in the rules as designed.

[Charons Little Helper]

One point of note - the griffon is now the new king of torso twist. The wolverine now ties the hunchie for 2nd at a base of 125 degress, while the griffon beats it at 130 degrees base. I haven't mastered mine yet - but I'm guessing that you'll be able to shoot behind yourself entirely. (on the hunchie you can with your arms - but not quite the torso)

The griffon 3M just displaced the 2D2 as the jumping light-hunter (kintaro has the 5th streak if you don't need jumpjets) - you don't have the tonnage for the ballistic slot on a streak-heavy 2D2 anyway.

Oh - and I know it's proabbly not really worth it - but I'm having fun flying around with a full 7 jumpjets.

I can climb things that I'm pretty sure were not meant to be climbable.

[Inflatable Fish]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

all the PHX mechs are unseen.

That said, I just think it's fugly.

it is fugly, but in a badass way. I love it, it's right there beside the hunchbro as my favourite mech.

[Bishop Steiner]

Charons Little Helper, on 19 December 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

One point of note - the griffon is now the new king of torso twist. The wolverine now ties the hunchie for 2nd at a base of 125 degress, while the griffon beats it at 130 degrees base. I haven't mastered mine yet - but I'm guessing that you'll be able to shoot behind yourself entirely. (on the hunchie you can with your arms - but not quite the torso)

The griffon 3M just displaced the 2D2 as the jumping light-hunter (kintaro has the 5th streak if you don't need jumpjets) - you don't have the tonnage for the ballistic slot on a streak-heavy 2D2 anyway.

Oh - and I know it's proabbly not really worth it - but I'm having fun flying around with a full 7 jumpjets.

I can climb things that I'm pretty sure were not meant to be climbable.

Yeah...people always overlook the value of that twist on the Hunchie. And now, the Grif and Wolv. I'm thinking the WVR with it's arm mounted ballistic will probably make the most use of that ability.

[Captain Stiffy]

Tkhaw, on 19 December 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Take the Timberwolf and cut off its missile pods and I think you got a Marauder (minus the shoulder cannon)!

That is a really good point. But gauss rifle mounted above the head is what we want out of the mech.

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 20 December 2013 - 05:38 PM.

[Tkhaw]

Captain Stiffy, on 20 December 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

That is a really good point. But gauss rifle mounted above the head is what we want out of the mech.

Gauss rifle on the head? Don't think it is going to happen...

What do the record sheets say about that?

The Gauss rifle may look to be on the head, but could be allocated on the right/left torso...